Re: Re: call to reform food supplies...

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The in=out is too simplistic. Seems like everyday I run across yet another hormone (that's not in the endo book).

Did you notice the controller hormone leptin?

This morning I was very hungry, odd because I'm almost never hungry. I'm not that underfed so I won't eat breakfast today. But most people cannot do that.

I figure it's something I ate yesterday that caused it.

Regards.

[ ] Re: call to reform food supplies...

From the first link that Kayce listed:

>>Moreover, he said, research shows that in recent times even thin people are gaining weight, belying the notion that a small number of gluttons alone are behind the obesity crisis. “Whatever is happening is happening to everyone,” he wrote.

Sorry, got to remember the old equation on food, In=Out, and if too much goes in, then it goes to the hips…….sorry, I view the stated comment from the article as typical pseudoscience, or may I say, typical left-wing "victim" mentality. Thin people stay thin because they aren’t taking in over 2000 calorie meals at MickeyD’s, period. I live in a country that encourages gluttony--that I see every day....

Diane

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[Guest guest]

I agree that HFCS is a big problem. It provides digested nutrients which do not fill the intestine and are absorbed uncontrolled. And the intestine produces ghrelin when it's empty, to make us hungry even with enough energy input.

The fructose goes directly into fat with adequate glucose, so possibly that one food alone causes the obesity in children. Easy to blame because it's in almost every prepared food. And recognize the hormones have to be different in a growing body.

Only way I to handle ghrelin is don't eat just because your hungry. The food supplies are not likely to change much, they will simply shift to other sweeteners, and other flavor enhancers, other sodium compounds.

Not all children get obese. Not all children get excess colas and chips, so there's more to it than how much they eat. We waste food in feces, vaporization of water in the lungs, eg. The law of thermo only works if you consider all the pieces. I'm saying take a better look at what causes obesity - it's more than eating too much.

There are articles addressing this issue, but few pay attention to them.

Regards.

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>> The in=out is too simplistic. Ah, but JW, the article wasn't talking about you....me.....or others in this group.It was talking about obesity in kids, and I imagine, it was talking about kids like I see in the morning who breakfast on Coke/Pepsi/or usually, their favorite, Mountain Dew, and a bag of chips or cheese puffs.......and then have a lunch in school of KFC with the large soft drink, followed up by a few candy bars from the vending machine in the hallways, and then, probably followed up by Monster or Red Bull.Very simplistic how to help them......but alot of people will not take responsibility, even with the evidence right in front of their eyes.:)Diane......and from Science Friday on NPR: how do you get a giraffe into a refrigerator?.....that kind of sums it up.......

[Guest guest]

>>> Not all children get obese. Not all children get

> excess colas and chips, so there's more to it than

> how much they eat. We waste food in feces,

> vaporization of water in the lungs, eg. The law of

> thermo only works if you consider all the pieces.

> I'm saying take a better look at what causes obesity

> - it's more than eating too much.

Outside of an incredibly caloric dense food supply and

a sedentary population... what changed so much in the

last 25 years.. and an environment that is actually

catering (In more ways then one) to an obese nation

(like flexible clothings sizes, so even if you gain 25

lbs, you can still be a size 6)

Especially in regard to all the " other pieces " ..

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

Do you control the diet of the people in your program (i.e., do they eat on

site with food and portions that are controlled)?

Do they all lose weight as expected?

If not, what percentage do not?

Is there some percentage of people who cannot, from a physiological

perspective, tolerate your regimen?

From: Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

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Subject: Re: [ ] Re: call to reform food supplies...

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:27:29 -0700 (PDT)

>>> Not all children get obese. Not all children get

> excess colas and chips, so there's more to it than

> how much they eat. We waste food in feces,

> vaporization of water in the lungs, eg. The law of

> thermo only works if you consider all the pieces.

> I'm saying take a better look at what causes obesity

> - it's more than eating too much.

Outside of an incredibly caloric dense food supply and

a sedentary population... what changed so much in the

last 25 years.. and an environment that is actually

catering (In more ways then one) to an obese nation

(like flexible clothings sizes, so even if you gain 25

lbs, you can still be a size 6)

Especially in regard to all the " other pieces " ..

[Guest guest]

Another IMO significant factor wrt childhood obesity is activity type and level... when I was a kid I would routinely ride my bicycle 5-10 miles a day (uphill both ways :-)  and not think anything of it. Climbing trees and playing sundry ball games were routine. Nowadays typical activities are more often electronic games, and kids will get driven to soccer practice if they play sport at all.JR On Aug 14, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Jeff Novick wrote:>>> Not all children get obese. Not all children get> excess colas and chips, so there's more to it than> how much they eat. We waste food in feces,> vaporization of water in the lungs, eg. The law of> thermo only works if you consider all the pieces.> I'm saying take a better look at what causes obesity> - it's more than eating too much. Outside of an incredibly caloric dense food supply anda sedentary population... what changed so much in thelast 25 years.. and an environment that is actuallycatering (In more ways then one) to an obese nation(like flexible clothings sizes, so even if you gain 25lbs, you can still be a size 6)Especially in regard to all the "other pieces"..

[Guest guest]

> Do you control the diet of the people in your

> program (i.e., do they eat on

> site with food and portions that are controlled)?

No.. we educate people on the principles of caloric

density, nutrient density and satiety. THats are

main 3 principles. We also teach them the basics of

the food groups/servings/portions for those who want

to know.. but its not the main focus..

> Do they all lose weight as expected?

Does their wt lost alwasy equal their expected weight

loss? MOst of the time it is much slower, which as

those of us on this list know... is much healthier.

They want it all NOW, actually yesterday.. and so no

amount of weight loss will make them happy. So, we

deal with those psychological issues as well, while

they are here.

But, Yes. If someone is ever experiencing a problem,

which is rare.. we work closer with them in making

sure they are creating a negative caloric balance..

often the problem is in caloric literacy... people

just dont realize how many calories are packed into

small amounts of food these days. People say " but i

always ate like this " which is untrue, as most of the

food they are now eating was not around pre 1980...

On occassion, we find people who have thyoid problems

and either need their medication adjusted or to go on

or off medication, and then they have no problem.. but

then again... thats only another missing link in

understanding the caloric burn issue. We do test RMR

if people want, and will help them monitor the caloric

equation to help ensure accuracy if they want also.

> Is there some percentage of people who cannot, from

> a physiological

> perspective, tolerate your regimen?

I dont know what you mean here by " our program " . The

people eat fresh fruits, vegetables, whole grains,

starchy vegetables, legumes and small amounts of lean

animal protein. Real food. I have never met anyone

in over 20 years of this who was not physiologically

adapted to eating real food. Some may not like it,

due to bad habits.. but thats another story. And

some, due to existing medical conditions (food

allergies, intolerances, renal disease, IBS, etc) may

need some slight modification... but then they also do

well.

When you put people in metabolic chambers where you

can measure most everything we know about the

" pieces " and control caloric balance, they all lose

weight. Centers like the Pennington Research Ctr in

Baton Rouge have these chambers and do this work.

THey have never had anyone who didnt lose weight under

these most extreme controlled settings. I visted them

and its fascinating work they do

THe part I dont get in all of this discussion.. is

what does it have to do with CR-ON??

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

You are right, of course.

There's at least one CR guru who thinks body fat % has nothing to do with CR.

The more I struggle to define CR in unique terms the harder it gets.

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: call to reform food supplies...

THe part I dont get in all of this discussion.. iswhat does it have to do with CR-ON??RegardsJeff

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