Re: Nuts (was: Olive Oil Beneficial????)

[Guest guest]

All: Please note the change of the subject of this thread.

I recall a study posted a while back that nuts (for some reason) don't cause weight gain. But I don't recall if the reason was understood. Perhaps some industrious person can dig it up from the archives.

AFA actually losing weight by eating nuts, there is a theory that a bit of fat before a meal (and hopefully it's healthy fat) helps curb appetite by promoting a " full " feeling. Whether that actually is true for everyone though.............??

Besides walnuts and flax, a brazil nut every now and then is a wonderful source of selenium - a cancer fighter.

on 10/10/2006 5:05 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi :

I agree with Jeff's comments. I am not as certain about the nuts

issue as I feel about olive oil. (But I use small amounts of olive

oil occasionally when essential to the taste characteristics of an

important recipe.)

The problem that almost always arises in these studies is that the

control group has a BMI averaging 28, and eats the SAD diet. And

pretty much anything is less unhealthy than that. Olive oil is less

unhealthy than the SAD diet. So are nuts. But I am not aware of any

evidence that shows whether nuts contribute additional benefit (or

harm) beyond that of a thoroughy healthy 'ON' diet.

But from personal observation (as we all know around here, not worth

much!) I find the same thing you do. I can eat large amounts of

almonds and not put on anywhere near as much weight as I expect. But

as Jeff notes, almonds contain mostly the same kind of oil as

olives. So, while it may help kill hunger, what else is it doing at

the same time? I don't know of any studies of people who ate

substantial amounts of almonds in addition to a very healthy diet.

If anyone does, please post.

Rodney.

>

> Besides nutrient density - would there be value to finding and

eating foods that turn off one's personal hunger switch?

>

> Personally I lost 12 pounds very quickly eating nut pates I think

because they seem to turn off my food craving/hunger switch. My BMI

is now 19.3, previously it was 21.1.

>

> I don't eat that many nuts (don't have to), mostly an almond pate I

make myself which comes to a tablespoon or 2 a day. Why I eat the

nuts is because if I don't, the cravings for sugar, white flour, and

chocolate start. I feel hungry and deprived, then start chowing down

on the " less than optimal foods " and start to regain the weight

within a day.

>

> I go back to the nuts and lose it again quickly, no sweat, no

problem. I have been trying to lose this weight for 15 years without

success and accidentally stumbled upon this.

>

>

>

> Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote: Nuts, are an extemely " dense "

food, not only in some

> nutrients, but also in calories, when looked at " per

> gram " .

>

> 1 oz of any nut/seed averages about 175 calories and

> are about 80% fat. The fat composition of most nuts is

> primarily mono fat, which is " not " the essentail fat

> the body needs. The only nut/seeds which are high in

> essential fats are the walnut and the flax seed.

>

> Since CRON Is about calorie restriction, one of our

> main concerns is to get the most nutrients " per

> calorie " from foods. In that light, nuts and seeds

> are not nutrient dense.

>

> Including about .5 - 1 oz of various nuts/seeds a day

> can be part of a healthy CRON diet, but above that,

> you would be trading off nutrient density.

>

> Regards

> Jeff

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

And regarding the walnuts and flax: while certainly beneficial for

heart disease in both males and females, perhaps males should bear in

mind the apparent association, found in a number of different

studies, between the ALA they contain and metastatic prostate

cancer.

Since CVD biomarkers are so good in people on CRON, my approach is to

forgo the CVD benefits of ALA, and avoid the possible cancer issue.

jmo, fwiw.

Rodney.

Nuts, are an

extemely " dense "

> food, not only in some

> > nutrients, but also in calories, when looked at " per

> > gram " .

> >

> > 1 oz of any nut/seed averages about 175 calories and

> > are about 80% fat. The fat composition of most nuts is

> > primarily mono fat, which is " not " the essentail fat

> > the body needs. The only nut/seeds which are high in

> > essential fats are the walnut and the flax seed.

> >

> > Since CRON Is about calorie restriction, one of our

> > main concerns is to get the most nutrients " per

> > calorie " from foods. In that light, nuts and seeds

> > are not nutrient dense.

> >

> > Including about .5 - 1 oz of various nuts/seeds a day

> > can be part of a healthy CRON diet, but above that,

> > you would be trading off nutrient density.

> >

> > Regards

> > Jeff

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I you can find the study, that would be great. I

think I know the one you may be referring to.

It was a shorter term study and when the level of fat

in the diet is increased signficantly, the body takes

a little bit of time to adjust. So, some of the fat

passes through partially digested and can be found,

and measured (a job I dont want) in the feces.

Over time, the body adjusts, and the fat is digested

and the calories contribute to " Calories in " .

In regard to fat creating a sensation of " fullness " ..

this is in response to the fact that fat is the most

difficult to digest of the three macro nutrients, so

the body releases a chemical called CCK, which helps

in the digestion but also signals the body to " slow

down " the transit time of the digestive tract so the

body has more time to work on the fat. This effect

doesnt occur to the fat reaches the intestines, which

can take several hours after ingestion. So, in

theory, it was great, in actual studies on satiety,

fat produce the least amount of satiety with the foods

being the bulkiest (most water and fiber) being the

most filling. Fat is the least bulkiest of nutrients

and so the more of it in a food, the least bulky the

food is. And, in foods with equal amounts of fat, the

food with the greater bulk, was the most filling.

Regards

Jeff