Colin

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Folks: please observe the rules of posting to the board. I just declined

a post about Dr. because the person wanted to post an excerpt from

his book; also this person didn't " think " he was any longer affiliated with

PETA.

If you want to defend someone and his work, then certainly that same

person's words are not the way to do it. Perhaps if someone else, like a

name we trust (Ornish?, some of Walford's proteges? etc.) backed up their

work, we might sit up and take notice. Or if you post some of these

so-called studies he casually mentions.

In this quote, claims that " protein causes cancer " and claims that

NIH backs him up, so where are the NIH studies he's talking about ? (I

doubt that thinks soy protein and other vegetarian proteins sources

cause cancer, although he makes a blanket statement implicating " protein " ).

And as I mentioned previously, my antenna go up if someone tosses out fish,

posted here in study after study as being health promoting.

Sorry for the rant, but we need our members to obey our posting rules.

That's what will keep this a quality board and not one that degenerates into

one that is unscientific that heeds every " flash in the pan " who comes

along and who may want to sell a book.

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Dr Furman is absolutely right. There are times when everything is right, no mistakes are made, but still the patient doesn't make it. When I was recovering from my transplant I got CMV for the second time and ended up hospitalized back at Stanford. The first day I was there a very nice well meaning patient ask me if I knew Fred. Well Fred and I started the transplant process at the same time. We used to sit in the treatment room telling jokes and keeping the rest of the group entertained. So of course I was very interested in hearing how Fred was doing. Then she dropped the bomb that Fred had died from his second bout with CMV. Not exactly what I needed to hear right then. Nobody made any mistakes, nothing went wrong, the only difference in his death and my survival was that his body was not up for the battle

again.

What we can learn from this is everyone has to run their own race. You can't look at a friends dimise as what you have to look forward to, or as someone making a mistake. Each of us is different, we will respond to treatments differently and we can't let a friend losing their battle drag us down into a pit we can't climb out of.

For a couple of weeks fellow patients were dropping like flies from various complications. It was horrible, but I was able to convince myself that it was not going to be my fate. It was very difficult wondering if I was going to be next, but I wasn't going to let myself get into that pitty party and give up.Sue BunteThe greatness of a nation and it's moral progress may be judged by the way it's animals are treated.Mahatma Ghandi

From: rrfman <rrfurman@...>Subject: Re: Colin Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:21 PM

Everyone will experience the passing of another patient in their own way. It is important for everyone to come to terms and deal with what they are feeling. I do believe that it is important though, and contrary to what has said, to not approach this as an opportunity to "figure out where the mistakes are". While being in control provides a great deal of comfort, please do not look at every bad outcome as a mistake. There are many different paths for everyone to choose from, and no one should question or have guilt regarding their earlier choices. Many went through this with Kurt as well, and it is probably not to anyone's advantage.Colin (and Kurt) were able to touch the lives of many people, and that is probably their greatest joy.Rick Furman>>

Dear Friends - we have lost a great man, Colin Fraser.> > Colin was a good personal friend of mine, and I shall miss him terribly.> > But that is not the point of this posting.> > Colin was an excellent, well informed, thorough patient. Probably knew more > about this insidious disease than most of us. Went to Bath in the UK to have > himself tested for responsiveness to various chemos, so that, while living his > chosen life in Italy, he could take an active role in the management of his > illness.> > It is important to find out what went wrong, and I hope to be able to do so > in the next few days. Was his death just a question of chance and bad luck? > Can we turn this very sad event into a learning experience for some of us?> > I think Colin would appreciate it if our community could learn something

> from his very untimely passing.> > I know that Colin was on Chlorambucil for a number of years. When that began > to fail him, he switched to FCR, with less than wonderful results. He and > his wife then went to Bogota to visit her family, and something began to > go wrong there, his numbers were all bizarre. Colin chose to go back to Italy > early, a good move.> > I am currently unclear on what happened after that, which was only very > recently. Maguire said he had developed Richter's and was receiving > treatment for that, but died of an infection.> > What happened to this man who had it all under control??> > For the sake of Colin's memory, and in his honor, we must understand what > took place. Perhaps there were some mistakes, and knowing these mistakes could > save someone

else.> > This is not a eulogy. I shall do that elsewhere. But Colin's death must not > go unnoticed, and not understood.> > Best, > > > > ************ **Psssst. ..Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelis t.com/trends? ncid=aolsty00050 000000014)>