Re: Calcium + Vitamin D don't help much

[Guest guest]

Rodney,

Gelatin is produced by boiling collagen for a long time, so it is an

ideal protein source for maintaining bone structure. This is why many

preparations used to treat arthritis (Glucosamine and Chondroitin

Sulfate) also have gelatin. The amount of protein needed is in the

tablespoon range, rather than the capsule range, and many

off-the-shelf remedies do not provide sufficient protein.

I have a table comparing the amino acid compositions of various

protein sources at the bottom of one of my web pages. The percentages

for whey, casein, soy and yeast are averages of several products sold

commercially as supplements for bodybuilding, rather than just the

data from the USDA National Nutrient Database.

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/aminoacids1.html

The Institute of Medicine has an informative chapter on protein

metabolism (link below). You will notice that the protein RDA is 0.8

grams per Kilogram of body weight. This is only 0.36 grams per pound

of body weight, which is about 54 grams for a 150 pound person. This

is too little, as Walford mentions in BT120YD (pp. 231-232).

Tony

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Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty

Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids (Macronutrients) (2005)

http://newton.nap.edu/books/0309085373/html/589.html

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> > >

> > > > Do you have specific suggestions for how to use protein intake

> to

> > > > enhance bone health?

> > >

> > > Rodney,

> > >

> > > As soon as I say this, someone is going to object, but here it

> > goes:

> > > Milk, yogurt, and cheese. Yes, I have seen the recent postings

> > about

> > > increased risk of cancer from consumption of dairy. (Try organic,

> > > maybe). The fact remains that dairy products are good sources of

> > both

> > > protein and calcium. You also need some sunshine or Vitamin D

> > > supplements to get the body to build and maintain bone.

> > >

> > > Glycine and proline account for about 50% of the amino acids in

> > > collagen, which is the bone matrix. Casein (cheese) and whey

> > contain

> > > 10.7% and 6.6% proline, respectively. These are higher than other

> > > protein sources. Glycine is found in beef, chicken, brewer's

> yeast

> > > and soy at around the 5% level. For strict vegetarians, soy and

> > > brewer's yeast are good sources of protein.

> > >

> > > IMO, someone with low bone density should consume 1200 mg Calcium

> > and

> > > 1000 IU Vitamin D, as suggested by Walford in BT120YD (p. 165).

> The

> > > protein should be in the upper range (about 0.8 grams per pound of

> > > body weight) as mentioned in BT120YD (p.232). Although Walford

> > > cautions about kidney problems and calcium balance with high

> protein

> > > intakes, bodybuilders consume about 2 grams of protein per pound

> of

> > > bodyweight daily with no adverse effects.

> > >

> > > Strength exercises will also increase bone density (BT120YD

> p.133).

> > > In this page Walford also recommends milk to avoid osteoporosis.

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Rodney,

Gelatin is produced by boiling collagen for a long time, so it is an

ideal protein source for maintaining bone structure. This is why many

preparations used to treat arthritis (Glucosamine and Chondroitin

Sulfate) also have gelatin. The amount of protein needed is in the

tablespoon range, rather than the capsule range, and many

off-the-shelf remedies do not provide sufficient protein.

I have a table comparing the amino acid compositions of various

protein sources at the bottom of one of my web pages. The percentages

for whey, casein, soy and yeast are averages of several products sold

commercially as supplements for bodybuilding, rather than just the

data from the USDA National Nutrient Database.

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/aminoacids1.html

The Institute of Medicine has an informative chapter on protein

metabolism (link below). You will notice that the protein RDA is 0.8

grams per Kilogram of body weight. This is only 0.36 grams per pound

of body weight, which is about 54 grams for a 150 pound person. This

is too little, as Walford mentions in BT120YD (pp. 231-232).

Tony

==

Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty

Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids (Macronutrients) (2005)

http://newton.nap.edu/books/0309085373/html/589.html

==

> > >

> > > > Do you have specific suggestions for how to use protein intake

> to

> > > > enhance bone health?

> > >

> > > Rodney,

> > >

> > > As soon as I say this, someone is going to object, but here it

> > goes:

> > > Milk, yogurt, and cheese. Yes, I have seen the recent postings

> > about

> > > increased risk of cancer from consumption of dairy. (Try organic,

> > > maybe). The fact remains that dairy products are good sources of

> > both

> > > protein and calcium. You also need some sunshine or Vitamin D

> > > supplements to get the body to build and maintain bone.

> > >

> > > Glycine and proline account for about 50% of the amino acids in

> > > collagen, which is the bone matrix. Casein (cheese) and whey

> > contain

> > > 10.7% and 6.6% proline, respectively. These are higher than other

> > > protein sources. Glycine is found in beef, chicken, brewer's

> yeast

> > > and soy at around the 5% level. For strict vegetarians, soy and

> > > brewer's yeast are good sources of protein.

> > >

> > > IMO, someone with low bone density should consume 1200 mg Calcium

> > and

> > > 1000 IU Vitamin D, as suggested by Walford in BT120YD (p. 165).

> The

> > > protein should be in the upper range (about 0.8 grams per pound of

> > > body weight) as mentioned in BT120YD (p.232). Although Walford

> > > cautions about kidney problems and calcium balance with high

> protein

> > > intakes, bodybuilders consume about 2 grams of protein per pound

> of

> > > bodyweight daily with no adverse effects.

> > >

> > > Strength exercises will also increase bone density (BT120YD

> p.133).

> > > In this page Walford also recommends milk to avoid osteoporosis.

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> > >