Re: Changing Diets and Deteriorating Mental Health

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The full report, executive summary, eating tips/guidelines and nutrient tables

are here..

http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/page.cfm?pagecode=PRFMRP & #reports

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From: on behalf of Rodney

Sent: Mon 01/16/06 7:33 AM

Subject: [ ] Changing Diets and Deteriorating Mental Health

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4610070.stm

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

The full report, executive summary, eating tips/guidelines and nutrient tables

are here..

http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/page.cfm?pagecode=PRFMRP & #reports

________________________________

From: on behalf of Rodney

Sent: Mon 01/16/06 7:33 AM

Subject: [ ] Changing Diets and Deteriorating Mental Health

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4610070.stm

Rodney.

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Thanks, Rodney and Jeff,

"The report, Feeding Minds, pointed out the delicate balance of minerals, vitamins and essential fats consumed had changed in the past five decades." The problem does not lie with the producers or the users, it lies with the fact that no one will come to a concensus on WHAT to EAT, except generalistic statements like fresh veggies and fruits. Start with Ornish versus atkins, eg. There are CRONies that do low carbs.

"For example, the report said chickens reach their slaughter weight twice as fast as they did 30 years ago, increasing the fat content from 2% to 22%." Hybrid chickens are babies at 16 wks - makes tender meat. I find that a lot of the fat can be trimmed and the meat is not marbled as in cattle. Never-the-less, you can boil the chicken and skim the fat. Point is the way we cook it has a lot to do with the nutrients.

"Therefore, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the association between mental illness and dietary intake at this point." Again the caveat. Well that shoots the hxxx out of this report, doesn't it? First step, is people gotta write stuff like they believed it.

"However, the nutrient recommendations outlined in this report are in line with recommendations for good health, which should continue to be advocated by all health professionals." And back away from what they were talking about. At some point they have to quit saying we need more study. How can I believe someone who says do what the professionals have been advocating?

Ornish provided a diet and an integrated plan in 1990, and DASH was provided later based on the Mediterranean diet - both workable plans. Did that change anything?

I just don't see the point in such statements - the gov't is not going to change radically the growing of food, because it can't. If we switch all Americans to eating fish, we'll eat the entire European production of fish.

They lost me at the calf liver.

Author

Bhat, Ravi S; Chiu, Edmond; Jeste, Dilip V

Institution

Goulburn Valley Area Mental Health Service, Shepparton, Vic, Australia

Title

Nutrition and geriatric psychiatry: a neglected field.[Editorial]

Source

Current Opinion in Psychiatry. 18(6):609-614, November 2005.

Abstract

Purpose of review: Nutritional issues have received little attention in geriatric psychiatry research. This review focuses on literature published in 2003 and 2004 on nutritional factors in mental illness in the elderly and proposes directions for future research.Recent findings: There has been more research on the role of micronutrients in psychiatric disorders of older adults but studies examining nutritional state in this population are lacking. The former research suggests associations between low folic acid/vitamin B12 status and depression in older adults whereas evidence for other micronutrients is still tentative. In the latter work, there is only one study that examines malnutrition in psychogeriatric patients despite the availability of well-validated screening tools for assessing nutritional state in the elderly and the known impact of undernutrition in ageing and the development of frailty. The role of obesity in ageing is also relevant especially as more people with schizophrenia live longer, although the current evidence in the non-mentally ill elderly suggests that being overweight may have protective effects in the elderly.Summary: Malnutrition is likely to have considerable impact on the mental and physical state of the elderly.

Regards

[ ] Changing Diets and Deteriorating Mental Health

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4610070.stmRodney.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rodney and Jeff,

"The report, Feeding Minds, pointed out the delicate balance of minerals, vitamins and essential fats consumed had changed in the past five decades." The problem does not lie with the producers or the users, it lies with the fact that no one will come to a concensus on WHAT to EAT, except generalistic statements like fresh veggies and fruits. Start with Ornish versus atkins, eg. There are CRONies that do low carbs.

"For example, the report said chickens reach their slaughter weight twice as fast as they did 30 years ago, increasing the fat content from 2% to 22%." Hybrid chickens are babies at 16 wks - makes tender meat. I find that a lot of the fat can be trimmed and the meat is not marbled as in cattle. Never-the-less, you can boil the chicken and skim the fat. Point is the way we cook it has a lot to do with the nutrients.

"Therefore, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the association between mental illness and dietary intake at this point." Again the caveat. Well that shoots the hxxx out of this report, doesn't it? First step, is people gotta write stuff like they believed it.

"However, the nutrient recommendations outlined in this report are in line with recommendations for good health, which should continue to be advocated by all health professionals." And back away from what they were talking about. At some point they have to quit saying we need more study. How can I believe someone who says do what the professionals have been advocating?

Ornish provided a diet and an integrated plan in 1990, and DASH was provided later based on the Mediterranean diet - both workable plans. Did that change anything?

I just don't see the point in such statements - the gov't is not going to change radically the growing of food, because it can't. If we switch all Americans to eating fish, we'll eat the entire European production of fish.

They lost me at the calf liver.

Author

Bhat, Ravi S; Chiu, Edmond; Jeste, Dilip V

Institution

Goulburn Valley Area Mental Health Service, Shepparton, Vic, Australia

Title

Nutrition and geriatric psychiatry: a neglected field.[Editorial]

Source

Current Opinion in Psychiatry. 18(6):609-614, November 2005.

Abstract

Purpose of review: Nutritional issues have received little attention in geriatric psychiatry research. This review focuses on literature published in 2003 and 2004 on nutritional factors in mental illness in the elderly and proposes directions for future research.Recent findings: There has been more research on the role of micronutrients in psychiatric disorders of older adults but studies examining nutritional state in this population are lacking. The former research suggests associations between low folic acid/vitamin B12 status and depression in older adults whereas evidence for other micronutrients is still tentative. In the latter work, there is only one study that examines malnutrition in psychogeriatric patients despite the availability of well-validated screening tools for assessing nutritional state in the elderly and the known impact of undernutrition in ageing and the development of frailty. The role of obesity in ageing is also relevant especially as more people with schizophrenia live longer, although the current evidence in the non-mentally ill elderly suggests that being overweight may have protective effects in the elderly.Summary: Malnutrition is likely to have considerable impact on the mental and physical state of the elderly.

Regards

[ ] Changing Diets and Deteriorating Mental Health

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4610070.stmRodney.