Re: aubrey degray on CBS news - IGF-1 levels

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I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly not in the next 20-25 years as he says.

on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

Probably a rerun, but I noted the mice studies of Dr Sell, who altered the IGF-1 gene to make mice smaller. Therefore they live longer.

It seems for me that idea of lowering IGF-1 in my system does not compare with that. I'm mature and aging and IGF-1 levels are expected to fall with age. It seems to me I want to keep those levels up to that of a younger man to slow aging, but it's probably the other way around - aging causes the level to fall. and perhaps keeping the level high with a supplement makes the adipose grow.

Just my take.

Another thing I had not considered is DeGray's idea of " junk " buildup as causing aging. There is a distinct possibility that slowing athero, eg, leads to a longer life - maybe not longer lifespan.

Regards.

[Guest guest]

I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly not in the next 20-25 years as he says.

on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

Probably a rerun, but I noted the mice studies of Dr Sell, who altered the IGF-1 gene to make mice smaller. Therefore they live longer.

It seems for me that idea of lowering IGF-1 in my system does not compare with that. I'm mature and aging and IGF-1 levels are expected to fall with age. It seems to me I want to keep those levels up to that of a younger man to slow aging, but it's probably the other way around - aging causes the level to fall. and perhaps keeping the level high with a supplement makes the adipose grow.

Just my take.

Another thing I had not considered is DeGray's idea of " junk " buildup as causing aging. There is a distinct possibility that slowing athero, eg, leads to a longer life - maybe not longer lifespan.

Regards.

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--- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote:

> I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that

> missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist

> on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or

> even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly

> not in the next 20-25 years as he says.

>

>

> on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

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Hi All,

http://kyw.com/health/health_story_001195918.html

--- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote:

> I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that

> missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist

> on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or

> even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly

> not in the next 20-25 years as he says.

>

>

> on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________________

DSL – Something to write home about.

Just $16.99/mo. or less.

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AND I think we should stop calling his ideas theories. To me they are WAGS.

CR is in the believable area of a tested hypothesis on rats. He really doesn't offer anything except teleportation, eg.

I can believe that athero is not healthy, but it's not necessarily LE if we eliminate it. I didn't hear any ideas HOW to eliminate the "JUNK" buildup, either.

That sends me off on a tangent to develop foods that eliminate "junk" without really knowing if that provides LE. All I have to do is figure out what causes the athero, then how to eliminate it and then test the fix for LE, at which time AD will say I told you so.

I doubt we will live that long.

If I'm not mistaken, the other things on his list have similar unknowns:

cell loss, cell atrophy

mitochondrial mutations

nuclear mutations (cancer)

Extracellular cross links

Extracellular aggregates

Lysomal aggregates

Senescent, toxic cells

Engineered negligible senescence

Regards.

Re: [ ] aubrey degray on CBS news - IGF-1 levels

I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly not in the next 20-25 years as he says.on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

Probably a rerun, but I noted the mice studies of Dr Sell, who altered the IGF-1 gene to make mice smaller. Therefore they live longer. It seems for me that idea of lowering IGF-1 in my system does not compare with that. I'm mature and aging and IGF-1 levels are expected to fall with age. It seems to me I want to keep those levels up to that of a younger man to slow aging, but it's probably the other way around - aging causes the level to fall. and perhaps keeping the level high with a supplement makes the adipose grow.Just my take.Another thing I had not considered is DeGray's idea of "junk" buildup as causing aging. There is a distinct possibility that slowing athero, eg, leads to a longer life - maybe not longer lifespan.Regards.

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AND I think we should stop calling his ideas theories. To me they are WAGS.

CR is in the believable area of a tested hypothesis on rats. He really doesn't offer anything except teleportation, eg.

I can believe that athero is not healthy, but it's not necessarily LE if we eliminate it. I didn't hear any ideas HOW to eliminate the "JUNK" buildup, either.

That sends me off on a tangent to develop foods that eliminate "junk" without really knowing if that provides LE. All I have to do is figure out what causes the athero, then how to eliminate it and then test the fix for LE, at which time AD will say I told you so.

I doubt we will live that long.

If I'm not mistaken, the other things on his list have similar unknowns:

cell loss, cell atrophy

mitochondrial mutations

nuclear mutations (cancer)

Extracellular cross links

Extracellular aggregates

Lysomal aggregates

Senescent, toxic cells

Engineered negligible senescence

Regards.

Re: [ ] aubrey degray on CBS news - IGF-1 levels

I saw it. Was on 60 minutes and is probably on the website for anyone that missed it. DeGray was as preposterous as usual; there was another scientist on the program who noted that we do not have the technology available (or even in sight) for DeGray's predictions to come to fruition - and certainly not in the next 20-25 years as he says.on 1/2/2006 10:22 AM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:

Probably a rerun, but I noted the mice studies of Dr Sell, who altered the IGF-1 gene to make mice smaller. Therefore they live longer. It seems for me that idea of lowering IGF-1 in my system does not compare with that. I'm mature and aging and IGF-1 levels are expected to fall with age. It seems to me I want to keep those levels up to that of a younger man to slow aging, but it's probably the other way around - aging causes the level to fall. and perhaps keeping the level high with a supplement makes the adipose grow.Just my take.Another thing I had not considered is DeGray's idea of "junk" buildup as causing aging. There is a distinct possibility that slowing athero, eg, leads to a longer life - maybe not longer lifespan.Regards.