sample diet (was Re: Applicability of CR to Humans)

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JW:

Perhaps you can tell us why you eschew cabbage, and kraut, " for

sure. " I'm assuming it couldn't be the live cultures because you do

eat yogurt.

Does it not agree with you, maybe you don't like the taste, or it

raises your BP (like dried beans)? Any studies that indicate the

hazards of cabbage and kraut would be welcome or is it solely a

personal thing? I seem to recall you inveighing against fermented

foods in the past.

Mike

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the comments, ,

> I'm referencing my experience. Kraut I do not eat for sure.

> I do eat beans, just not dried beans. Available are frozen

immature limas, butter beans, black-eyed peas, Crowder peas. Those

and English peas, corn, and of course wheat.

> I guess there are glucans in immature beans? I just have a problem

with dried beans.

> I also have a problem with raw celery, raw onions, raw garlic, and

raw spinach. I do eat a little raw spinach but avoid cabbage, raw or

cooked. Some fibers are different than others.

>

> I never found a way to cook dried beans and eat more than maybe 2

oz. Even if they don't tear up my gut, they raise my BP. I have no

idea why. Allergies to food are one of the reasons I switched to a

bland diet to find out what caused the problems.

> Just giving up prepared wheat products lowered my BP enough to

drop 66% of my betablocker, plus it allowed me to control the BP.

Now I can eat some whole kernel wheat bread.

>

> My experience is I don't need a lot of protein, 56 gms will do. So

milk or yogurt add enough to the plant protein. I don't eat meat

every day, unless I'm testing something.

> Recognize I had to find my own diet that fit me and lowered my BP.

And that drives my decisions mostly. Also, I don't have a bloodsugar

problem (87).

>

> Regards.

>

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CR to Humans)

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>

> --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@>

wrote:

> >

> > There is maybe an optimum set of foods that provide the right

vitamins and minerals,

> but that merely scratches the surface maybe.

> > There are literally thousands of " herbs " that provide

thousands of chemicals for a

> thousand activities and we have very little data inre to those.

> >

> > So I don't see the task so much as reducing calories or weight

as is it finding those

> things I can eat that will help and not do harm. Probably each

persons requirements will

> be different.

> >

> > Perhaps:

> > 4 oz prune juice

> > 8 oz orange juice (no Ca and vit D added)

> > 0.5 tsp of cod liver oil

> > 1.4 oz walnuts

> > 2 oz carrots

> > 7 oz canned papaya, guava, pineapple

> >

> > 2 oz of whole kernel bread

> > 3 oz chicken breast, mustard,

> > vinegar,

> > salsa made with tomatoes, red chili peppers, red sweet

peppers, onions, garlic

> > romaine lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, spinach, mixed other

salad greens, chopped

> celery (2 oz)

> > steamed broccoli, cauliflower, celery, green beans with

rosemary,

> > yellow corn, English peas, immature limas or black eyed peas,

> > baked sweet potato

> >

> > 0.5 oz of peanuts,

> >

> > plain yogurt with blueberries or cherries

> >

> > no cabbage, no MV, no dried beans of any kind cooked any way,

not more than 2 oz of

> raw celery.

> >

> > Just my take.

>

> Why are you explicitly excluding the above items? Fermented

cabbage

> (i.e., sauerkraut and kimchi) have recently received much good

press

> for their health-sustaining properties, mostly due to the

lactobacillus.

> I may try that next year. Different L Bacillus than yogurt?

>

> And beans, with all those " yummy " glucans, etc., why not include

them?

> Are you referencing their relatively high calorie content? No.

>

> In moderation, however, I think you can add them, especially

as your proposal here is that ON is more important than CR.

> I'm not saying ON is more important. I still do 1800 kcals.

> I simply realized that a MV is not a controllable way to get

vitamins. Kinda of NEXT phase.

>

> I recently decide to try more yogurt, because Dannon plain has

no Vit D. I can tell you yogurt gives me wild dreams, like my old

toprol dreams. I'm not really liking that.

> Same with some buttermilk minus D.

>

> I've maintained my weight drop for 6 yrs now.

> Regards.

>

> Thanks,

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