Re: need help/long

July 23, 2003

If I might make a correction here...... but an ESY is not designed to work on

new goals. A child can receive an ESY only if they show a regression of the

skills acquired throughout the previous school year. It's, again, not for those

who want their child to " get ahead " over the summer.

Quoted from the Federal Register/ Volume 64, No. 48 :

300.309

" (a) General. (1) Each public agency shall ensure that extended school year

services are available as necessary to provide FAPE, consistent with paragraph

(a)(2) of this section.

(2) Extended school year services must be provided only if a child's IEP team

determines, on an individual basis, in accordance with 300.340 - 300.350, that

the services are necessary for the provision of FAPE to the child. "

I have also looked further into this and have discovered that each State can

" adopt " it's own " version " of the code of federal regs. Just so long as they

fall within the basic guidelines. PA Code does talk about ESY and about whether

or not there has been a regression and whether or not a recoupment can be

achieved with an ESY.

My child doesn't have Down syndrome, but rather an Enhancement to her

Personality

-jls 2003

July 23, 2003

I understand that but this isn't a goal. These are in the special

instruction section where they list things like: use of loop scissors,

positive behavior reward system, regular pottying routine. etc. The district

lady said all of those things are to be followed in ESY also.

But thanks for your input. 80)

Di

Re: need help/long

>

> >

> > Has anyone encountered this before, where the ESY was done and then a

reg

> > IEP meeting was held and changes made? What can I do? he only has 2 more

> > weeks so should I chalk it up as a lesson learned or what?

> >

> > Di

> >

>

> This has not happened to us, but it has happened to others. ESY (so I am

> told) is to follow the previous years IEP, no the upcoming one. That is

> because it works on things your child needs to catch-up on or strengthen

> from the past school year.

>

> We received ESY for OT one year and they were unable to incorporate any

new

> goals. Just work on what they did not work on during the year because of

> their therapist fault and lack of communication about problems.

>

> mom to Bridget 10

>

July 23, 2003

right, as I answered to the last post, this isn't a goal. See resp to

Mom2bridget.

it says they are to use an FM system in the classroom so he can hear, he's deaf

in one ear.

but thanks for responding anyway 80)

Di

Re: need help/long

If I might make a correction here...... but an ESY is not designed to work on

new goals. A child can receive an ESY only if they show a regression of the

skills acquired throughout the previous school year. It's, again, not for those

who want their child to " get ahead " over the summer.

Quoted from the Federal Register/ Volume 64, No. 48 :

300.309

" (a) General. (1) Each public agency shall ensure that extended school year

services are available as necessary to provide FAPE, consistent with paragraph

(a)(2) of this section.

(2) Extended school year services must be provided only if a child's IEP team

determines, on an individual basis, in accordance with 300.340 - 300.350, that

the services are necessary for the provision of FAPE to the child. "

I have also looked further into this and have discovered that each State can

" adopt " it's own " version " of the code of federal regs. Just so long as they

fall within the basic guidelines. PA Code does talk about ESY and about whether

or not there has been a regression and whether or not a recoupment can be

achieved with an ESY.

My child doesn't have Down syndrome, but rather an Enhancement to her

Personality

-jls 2003

July 23, 2003

>

> Has anyone encountered this before, where the ESY was done and then a reg

> IEP meeting was held and changes made? What can I do? he only has 2 more

> weeks so should I chalk it up as a lesson learned or what?

>

> Di

>

This has not happened to us, but it has happened to others. ESY (so I am

told) is to follow the previous years IEP, no the upcoming one. That is

because it works on things your child needs to catch-up on or strengthen

from the past school year.

We received ESY for OT one year and they were unable to incorporate any new

goals. Just work on what they did not work on during the year because of

their therapist fault and lack of communication about problems.

mom to Bridget 10

July 23, 2003

In a message dated 7/23/2003 10:00:39 AM Central Standard Time,

drf218@... writes:

> right, as I answered to the last post, this isn't a goal. See resp to

> Mom2bridget.

>

> it says they are to use an FM system in the classroom so he can hear, he's

> deaf in one ear.

>

> but thanks for responding anyway 80)

>

> Di

Hi Di

IMHO this is not a goal but a piece of equipment so that Nick can

participate. This is a piece of equipment that is needed for successes in his

goals and

objectives. If it were me lol I would have this written in the " equipment " box.

Example>>>> if Sara needed a VOD we would have it written in there too.

Now you can write goals and objectives to use this device/equipement.

Kathy mom to Sara 11

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July 23, 2003

There are 3 criteria in the US regulations regarding ESY. Regression cannot be

the sole reason for denying ESY. There are 2 more which can qualify the child.

I can't remember the exact wording. My memory deteriorates during the summer:))

Elaine

Re: need help/long

If I might make a correction here...... but an ESY is not designed to work on

new goals. A child can receive an ESY only if they show a regression of the

skills acquired throughout the previous school year. It's, again, not for those

who want their child to " get ahead " over the summer.

Quoted from the Federal Register/ Volume 64, No. 48 :

300.309

" (a) General. (1) Each public agency shall ensure that extended school year

services are available as necessary to provide FAPE, consistent with paragraph

(a)(2) of this section.

(2) Extended school year services must be provided only if a child's IEP team

determines, on an individual basis, in accordance with 300.340 - 300.350, that

the services are necessary for the provision of FAPE to the child. "

I have also looked further into this and have discovered that each State can

" adopt " it's own " version " of the code of federal regs. Just so long as they

fall within the basic guidelines. PA Code does talk about ESY and about whether

or not there has been a regression and whether or not a recoupment can be

achieved with an ESY.

My child doesn't have Down syndrome, but rather an Enhancement to her

Personality

-jls 2003

July 23, 2003

OK,

Here's what I think and I could be wrong- but isnt ESY extended year program

or something similiar to that? Then that is decided at the IEP and a

seperate one is not needed for ESY and they should follow the one already in

place.

I did have a student with a FM unit and it took forever for it to get

approved and for another outside person beside the school audiologist to come in

and

work on it with me and my student.

So, I think that you/they should follow the IEP and not stress over it for 2

weeks, just make sure its all in place for sept and then go out and have some

fun!!!!!

~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 9 NY

July 23, 2003

Oh, that is different. You would think that accommodations and adaptations

would be especially important in ESY. Without them, how do they expect him

to make any progress. It seems ESY would then be a waste of time.

Re: need help/long

>

> >

> > >

> > > Has anyone encountered this before, where the ESY was done and then a

> reg

> > > IEP meeting was held and changes made? What can I do? he only has 2

more

> > > weeks so should I chalk it up as a lesson learned or what?

> > >

> > > Di

> > >

> >

> > This has not happened to us, but it has happened to others. ESY (so I

am

> > told) is to follow the previous years IEP, no the upcoming one. That is

> > because it works on things your child needs to catch-up on or strengthen

> > from the past school year.

> >

> > We received ESY for OT one year and they were unable to incorporate any

> new

> > goals. Just work on what they did not work on during the year because

of

> > their therapist fault and lack of communication about problems.

> >

> > mom to Bridget 10

> >

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

July 23, 2003

That would be an accommodation/ support and probably also falls under 504/

ADA.

Regression/recoupment isn't the only reason for ESY, btw. " ESY services are

not so much a regression and recoupment issue as they are an issue of FAPE.

Unrecouped regression, over time, may be evidence that FAPE is not being

provided. In other words, it is not the case that a student is entitled to

ESY services, but that the student will not receive FAPE if ESY services are

not provided. . . . Factors to be considered when determining the need for

ESY services include regression/recoupment, degrees of progress, emerging

skills/breakthrough opportunities, interfering behaviors, the nature and/or

severity of the disability, and other factors. "

http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/Instruction/Sped/ESYdoc.pdf

Judi HL

Re: need help/long

right, as I answered to the last post, this isn't a goal. See resp to

Mom2bridget.

it says they are to use an FM system in the classroom so he can hear, he's

deaf in one ear.

but thanks for responding anyway 80)

Di

Re: need help/long

If I might make a correction here...... but an ESY is not designed to work

on new goals. A child can receive an ESY only if they show a regression of

the skills acquired throughout the previous school year. It's, again, not

for those who want their child to " get ahead " over the summer.

Quoted from the Federal Register/ Volume 64, No. 48 :

300.309

" (a) General. (1) Each public agency shall ensure that extended school

year services are available as necessary to provide FAPE, consistent with

paragraph (a)(2) of this section.

(2) Extended school year services must be provided only if a child's IEP

team determines, on an individual basis, in accordance with 300.340 -

300.350, that the services are necessary for the provision of FAPE to the

child. "

I have also looked further into this and have discovered that each State

can " adopt " it's own " version " of the code of federal regs. Just so long as

they fall within the basic guidelines. PA Code does talk about ESY and

about whether or not there has been a regression and whether or not a

recoupment can be achieved with an ESY.

My child doesn't have Down syndrome, but rather an Enhancement to her

Personality

-jls 2003

July 24, 2003

Our state has 15 criteria. Go to your own state department of ed web site

and check out ESY ... they may have guidelines there. Here's ours, we have a

technical document available about ESY. I also know that New Mexico used to

have a very good ESY reference document.

<A HREF= " www.pen.k12.va.us " >www.pen.k12.va.us</A> (Virginia's)

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the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

July 24, 2003

Most of the time here, we have separate services for ESY. You can write that

up on the same IEP, if you have space, with the ESYservices running from June

to August, all others for regular ESY running from Sept to June ... hope

that's clear.

But most of the time ESY is not the same as a regular IEP, they do not work

on everything, just some selected goals. Accommodations (FM system, for

example) would be the same on both IEPs and I doubt a school system could defend

not

having the same accommodations available on both IEPs .... accommodations

allow you to access the curriculum and services the school is providing.

Cheryl in VA

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

July 24, 2003

In a message dated 7/23/2003 10:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jls1995@... writes:

> . A child can receive an ESY only if they show a regression of the skills

> acquired throughout the previous school year. It's, again, not for those who

> want their child to " get ahead " over the summer.

>

No, regression is not the only justification for ESY. FAPE must be involved

and there are many criteria.. SOme states have more than others used in

their process for determination of ESY services. Look to your state regs

(remember, state regs can give you MORE than IDEA, just not less ... not sure

how

often that happens though!) VA has about 15 criteria to consider when looking at

ESY needs. Our web site has a technical document that addresses ESY. New

Mexico used to have a good document too, not sure if it is still there.

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

July 24, 2003

exactly! That's what I thought. The accommodations carry over and don't have to

be " spelled out " again on the ESY IEP.

Well the district lady said she visited the class yesterday (they delivered the

FM system) she said Nic is hearing fine without it. (Sounds like they are

already going to shoot it down after the trial period)

Di

Re: need help/long

Most of the time here, we have separate services for ESY. You can write that

up on the same IEP, if you have space, with the ESYservices running from June to

August, all others for regular ESY running from Sept to June ... hope that's

clear.

But most of the time ESY is not the same as a regular IEP, they do not work on

everything, just some selected goals. Accommodations (FM system, for example)

would be the same on both IEPs and I doubt a school system could defend not

having the same accommodations available on both IEPs .... accommodations allow

you to access the curriculum and services the school is providing.

Cheryl in VA

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

July 24, 2003