Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 In a message dated 05/08/2002 11:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linman42@... writes: << Other words in that family are: cat bat rat >> It's kindergarten all over!! ;-) That's what they do with word families. Kids learn to recognize letter combinations. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 In a message dated 05/08/2002 11:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michdock@... writes: << (I'm trying to decide if he's not ready or she doesn't want to teach him.)>> And that would be my question too!! Or is she just insistent that kids reach a certain check level before she moves on? I had a friend who had a sped ed teacher of the same mind, she told my friend that her son with DS would never read. She finally convinced a new teacher to use a different method ... guess what ... with the Edmark program her son started reading and he has not stopped progressing yet! That was after five years of no reading and predictions that he never would. It was because he didn't get it " their way. " <<Also, we have several Reader Rabbit and Jump Start programs that deal with phonics and word patterning..and he just isn't ready for those unless we are sitting with him. >> We had the reader rabbit program years ago. I didn't care for it because some of the sentences it allowed you to construct were not good ones and it was difficult to tell if they were proper or not. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 In a message dated 05/09/2002 8:10:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jbocci55@... writes: << I asked her about computer lab. She said 8th graders do Hyper-Studio and create web pages and that she didn't think could do this.....too over his head. This is what gets me! I want to scream " Of course it's over his head! I expect it to be! It's your job to pull out something he CAN do which will apply to a goal in his IEP! " Why do they NOT get this! I think creating a web-page would be fun for to do, which I " kindly " told her in another email along with pointing out that we would need the aide that will be assigned to him that period to have proper training in creating a web-page herself! So there! >> Do you have modifications listed anywhere on his IEP? Does your school system have inclusion specialists or special ed coordinators? I think you should ask them to hold an inservice for ALL of 's teachers on how to modifiy assignments. That might send your teach the message to do her job! The purpose of IDEA is to allow children to participate in the regular curriculum, and no longer be excluded. You might want to point that out to them too! Stefanie was in regular ed classes and participated in DARE and got all her certificates of completion for the program and awards, etc. She loved it!! She also loved telling me coffee was bad for me, beer was a drug (and therefore should NOT be in our refrigerator) and a host of other tidbits she learned! Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Jbocci55 writes: > One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to include him > for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the rest of the class with accomdations made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 Re: reading query > Would patterning also be patterns/groups of letters? I'm sure there is a > more correct way of saying that, but letter patterns, like words that all > use " ea " in them or " ie " or.... Actually, when I think of patterning, I think of something totally different, but as far as teaching reading goes, after I get my children's digit span to 5-6, I start them on a quickie phonics program. It involves first teaching them them sounds each letter makes, then short vowel sounds, then long vowel sounds (and all the the various combinations of letters that make them, for example " ay " is a combo that makes the long A sound), then the " oo " , " ow " , " ou " , what y says at the beginning of words versus at the end, blends, soft c and soft g...there might be something I'm leaving out. I've found with three of my kids that they were reading in a matter of months with this program (about beginning 2nd grade level) but it didn't work unless the auditory digit span was 6. They needed to be able to process six pieces of information in the brain before they could put these sound combinations together and read fluently. This was a necessary developmental skill that was worth taking the time to work on and for my kids, necessary for the phonics input to be successful. Building up a sufficient sight word vocabulary acceleurates the above process, in my opinion. It gives the child success with reading, develops good visual skills and they already know all the common words. I've also noticed that they can process new words really quickly. Dylan and Cristen are both school age. Cristen is eleven and has Down syndrome. Dylan is nine and NDA. Both of them read pretty well. Cristen was tested last summer and read at age level, according to the psychologist that tested her. Dyan just took his SOL for reading yesterday so I'll see how well he reads. Last year he tested about 4th grade according to the test the teacher gave him. I still help Cristen a lot with comprehension. Actually, I think she understands what she reads quite well, it is the writing part that is extremely difficult for her. She has dysgraphia and the person who tested her last year said that basically, this meant that she couldn't feel her fingertips. It amazes me that she can write at all. Never underestimate what your kid can do! Still, she has trouble articulating her thoughts onto paper and by the time she gets a couple of words written, she loses track of her thought process. I have to prompt her with questions to help her formulate sentences with all the words in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 DARE is Drug Abuse Resistance Education. It is normally taught by a police officer in the 5th grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 How funny is that!!! And great too!!!~ Loree5 Re: reading query In a message dated 05/09/2002 12:50:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JB66111@... writes: << He learned spelling very easily too. >> One of the things we moms in our DS support group here love to talk about is how great at spelling so many of our kids are!!! I mean EXCELLENT spellers!! We theorize because it is so concrete, because they learn the RULES about spelling, and because they can practice. One of my friends son is an wonderful speller, gets 100 on every test. He started a habit of spelling his words out loud as he wrote them on test day. His teacher discovered that the entire class would listen to this young man spell his words, and write their answers in harmony with him!! ;-) They had to work on breaking his spell out loud habit .... but for a while the entire class was getting excellent spelling test grades too!! ;-) Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 What's DARE? Eleanor Re: reading query In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Jbocci55 writes: One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to include him for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the rest of the class with accomdations made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 did DARE, also with accommodations. She developed a nice relationship with the officers who taught the program and got a t-shirt on " graduation. " Graduation was nice too; she was willing to walk up on stage and get her certificate and did a great job. (Even if she did spend most of the rest of the time with her hands over her ears--those DARE sessions are loud!) May be done differently at some schools, but in Jess' program, in addition to drug resistance, there was a lot of more general info about peer pressure, talking to parents, dealing with issues that will be coming up in MS and HS--off and on campus. Judi Re: reading query In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Jbocci55 writes: > One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to include him > for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the rest of the class with accomdations made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 In a message dated 5/7/2002 10:25:23 PM Central Standard Time, Michdock@... writes: > Hi, > This is good timing. > Maverick is doing very well on the Edmark reading program, but it is a > sight > reading program. Last week at his inclusion meeting we were talking about > how ready he might be (or not be) to begin phonics. > The sp ed teacher says he needs to learn patterning before he is able to > start on phonics. He really has a hard time with that. This summer we are > going to do PATTERNS....as a lifestyle in our home to try to get him ready > for phonics next summer. > HI I had my conference yesterday with Sara's Sped teacher......prior IEP meeting and I did ask the teacher if Sara was doing patterning.........this was after we talked about it over IM lol she said oooh yes Sara's been Patterning...what a funny word lol since Kindy. She's now patterning letters and words. Now I didn't ask her what this was for..........I already overwhelmed her with tons of questions lol Ill ask tomorrow lol The Sped dept. has been using the whole language approach with Sara since preschool, a little phonics and lots of sight reading, Sara now has an understanding for letter sounds, blends and taking apart words. The sped teacher went to a few workshops this year and will start a heavy phonic program this fall..........she's soooooo excited lol we are losing 3 kids to middle school next fall so...so far she will have 5 kids, 4 in 4th grade lolol the fourth grade teachers are already sweating on who they will be getting.........how sad Ive been praying a lot that we get a good teacher, my 12 yr old has already told me WHO Sara shouldn't have lol Of course I get no input anyway off my train of thought lol we should, next year a pretty good group to do a lot of reading activites lol I think my sister once told me that there are prior skills one needs to have to phonically read. I know Sara had it in her IEP for years but was unsuccessful. Sara's weakness is auditory processing so this might be the reason why.....sight reading is very visual and that is her strength.....even with her pulling down her glasses to read lol If I were you I would have all types of reading going on, you never know when Mav might be ready Kathy mom to Sara 10...............I did learn patterning was BORING, the teacher showed me for 30 mins Sara's data lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 >From 4 to 6, Jan was just a kid in a regular montessori school. The teacher did take her on as a personal project, but there was nothing else in terms or support. Her younger brother was in the class behind her. Then she entered the public system as an 'unknown' and we pushed to get her into a class of learning disabled kids (all the same push that it takes to get a child into inclusion today). There the teacher declared that she wouldn't teach Jan to read until her speech got better. That didn't work out. Jan progressed in reading in spite of it and by Thanksgiving, she had started reading and they said, " Look what we have done! " OK, credit is free, even if little earned. The net was that they used phonics for reading and the reading helped her speech. Janet reads today to get information (TV schedules and show descriptions) and for enjoyment (most recently MOONWALKER by ). Every child will be different and different things will work for them. Rick .... dad to 29 year old Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 In a message dated 5/10/2002 5:35:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bspyle@... writes: > When she > entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for > readers, so she photocopied readers. So, was this a sped class that the school was not providing materials for? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 went through DARE in 5th grade. This would be DARE for 8th graders that I'm considering. Is it just more of the same thing he had in 5th or more in depth. That is what I'm wondering. Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 Has anyone heard of the open court reading program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 learned phonics first, when she was about four or five. Preschool was telling me she would never learn to read, so I taught her myself. When she entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for readers, so she photocopied readers. After she proved she could teach her kids to read, the school board gave her readers. granny Re: reading query > This sounds like . He was reading words on cards at two and > then learned phonics in Montessori school. He learned spelling very easily > too. It's nonsense if they say kids with DS can't learn phonics, I wonder > where that came from. Must have been a nincompoop. He can read anything. > > Jessie, Mom to , 37 and the light of my life. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 > > When she > > entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for > > readers, so she photocopied readers. > > So, was this a sped class that the school was not providing materials for? > Cheryl in VA It over 20 years ago. Infant stim on up staffers had it in their heads that and her fellow students would never learn to read. Parents and teachers had to show them they could. And we did. After first grade, there were no more problems. However, I taught all my children to read. I did not rely upon the schools to do it. I belong to the school of thought that believes learning to read should begin at birth. granny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 re: Reading Query > > The net was that they used phonics for reading and the reading helped > her speech. We found this to be true with our daughter as well. We taught her to read early and I believe that it really helped with speech. > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 I just learned about Open Court today in my Reading course at the University I go to! What a coincidence. What do you want to know? Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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