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In a message dated 05/08/2002 11:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

linman42@... writes:

<< Other words in that

family are:

cat

bat

rat >>

It's kindergarten all over!! ;-) That's what they do with word families.

Kids learn to recognize letter combinations.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 05/08/2002 11:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

<< (I'm trying to decide if he's not ready or

she doesn't want to teach him.)>>

And that would be my question too!! Or is she just insistent that kids reach

a certain check level before she moves on? I had a friend who had a sped ed

teacher of the same mind, she told my friend that her son with DS would never

read. She finally convinced a new teacher to use a different method ...

guess what ... with the Edmark program her son started reading and he has not

stopped progressing yet! That was after five years of no reading and

predictions that he never would. It was because he didn't get it " their way. "

<<Also, we have several Reader Rabbit and

Jump Start programs that deal with phonics and word patterning..and he just

isn't ready for those unless we are sitting with him. >>

We had the reader rabbit program years ago. I didn't care for it because

some of the sentences it allowed you to construct were not good ones and it

was difficult to tell if they were proper or not.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 05/09/2002 8:10:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

<< I asked her about computer lab. She said 8th graders do Hyper-Studio and

create web pages and that she didn't think could do this.....too over

his head. This is what gets me! I want to scream " Of course it's over his

head! I expect it to be! It's your job to pull out something he CAN do

which will apply to a goal in his IEP! " Why do they NOT get this! I think

creating a web-page would be fun for to do, which I " kindly " told her

in

another email along with pointing out that we would need the aide that will

be assigned to him that period to have proper training in creating a

web-page

herself! So there! >>

Do you have modifications listed anywhere on his IEP? Does your school

system have inclusion specialists or special ed coordinators? I think you

should ask them to hold an inservice for ALL of 's teachers on how to

modifiy assignments. That might send your teach the message to do her job!

The purpose of IDEA is to allow children to participate in the regular

curriculum, and no longer be excluded. You might want to point that out to

them too!

Stefanie was in regular ed classes and participated in DARE and got all her

certificates of completion for the program and awards, etc. She loved it!!

She also loved telling me coffee was bad for me, beer was a drug (and

therefore should NOT be in our refrigerator) and a host of other tidbits she

learned!

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Jbocci55

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> One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to include him

> for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE

Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the rest

of the class with accomdations made.

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> Would patterning also be patterns/groups of letters? I'm sure there is a

> more correct way of saying that, but letter patterns, like words that all

> use " ea " in them or " ie " or....

Actually, when I think of patterning, I think of something totally

different, but as far as teaching reading goes,

after I get my children's digit span to 5-6, I start them on a quickie

phonics program. It involves first teaching them them sounds each letter

makes, then short vowel sounds, then long vowel sounds (and all the the

various combinations of letters that make them, for example " ay " is a combo

that makes the long A sound), then the " oo " , " ow " , " ou " , what y says at the

beginning of words versus at the end, blends, soft c and soft g...there

might be something I'm leaving out. I've found with three of my kids that

they were reading in a matter of months with this program (about beginning

2nd grade level) but it didn't work unless the auditory digit span was 6.

They needed to be able to process six pieces of information in the brain

before they could put these sound combinations together and read fluently.

This was a necessary

developmental skill that was worth taking the time to work on and for my

kids,

necessary for the phonics input to be successful.

Building up a sufficient sight word vocabulary acceleurates the above

process, in my opinion. It gives the child success with reading, develops

good visual skills and they already know all the common words. I've also

noticed that they can process new words really quickly. Dylan and Cristen

are both school age.

Cristen is eleven and has Down syndrome. Dylan is nine and NDA. Both of

them read pretty well. Cristen was tested last summer and read at age

level, according to the psychologist that tested her. Dyan just took his

SOL for reading yesterday so I'll see how well he reads. Last year he

tested about 4th grade according to the test the teacher gave him.

I still help Cristen a lot with comprehension. Actually, I think she

understands what she reads quite well, it is the writing part that is

extremely difficult for her.

She has dysgraphia and the person who tested her last year said that

basically,

this meant that she couldn't feel her fingertips. It amazes me that she can

write at all. Never underestimate what your kid can do! Still, she has

trouble

articulating her thoughts onto paper and by the time she gets a couple of

words written, she loses track of her thought process. I have to prompt her

with questions to help her formulate sentences with all the words in them.

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How funny is that!!! And great too!!!~

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In a message dated 05/09/2002 12:50:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

JB66111@... writes:

<< He learned spelling very easily too. >>

One of the things we moms in our DS support group here love to talk about is

how great at spelling so many of our kids are!!! I mean EXCELLENT spellers!!

We theorize because it is so concrete, because they learn the RULES about

spelling, and because they can practice.

One of my friends son is an wonderful speller, gets 100 on every test. He

started a habit of spelling his words out loud as he wrote them on test day.

His teacher discovered that the entire class would listen to this young man

spell his words, and write their answers in harmony with him!! ;-) They had

to work on breaking his spell out loud habit .... but for a while the entire

class was getting excellent spelling test grades too!! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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What's DARE?

Eleanor

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In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Jbocci55

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One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to include him

for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE

Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the rest

of the class with accomdations made.

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did DARE, also with accommodations. She developed a nice

relationship with the officers who taught the program and got a t-shirt

on " graduation. " Graduation was nice too; she was willing to walk up on

stage and get her certificate and did a great job. (Even if she did

spend most of the rest of the time with her hands over her ears--those

DARE sessions are loud!)

May be done differently at some schools, but in Jess' program, in

addition to drug resistance, there was a lot of more general info about

peer pressure, talking to parents, dealing with issues that will be

coming up in MS and HS--off and on campus.

Judi

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In a message dated 5/9/2002 5:09:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Jbocci55

writes:

> One issue we are debating (my hubby and I) is whether or not to

include him

> for DARE. Anybody's kids doing DARE

Oh, Mav just finished his DARE. It was great. He participated with the

rest

of the class with accomdations made.

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In a message dated 5/7/2002 10:25:23 PM Central Standard Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> Hi,

> This is good timing.

> Maverick is doing very well on the Edmark reading program, but it is a

> sight

> reading program. Last week at his inclusion meeting we were talking about

> how ready he might be (or not be) to begin phonics.

> The sp ed teacher says he needs to learn patterning before he is able to

> start on phonics. He really has a hard time with that. This summer we are

> going to do PATTERNS....as a lifestyle in our home to try to get him ready

> for phonics next summer.

>

HI :)

I had my conference yesterday with Sara's Sped teacher......prior IEP meeting

and I did ask the teacher if Sara was doing patterning.........this was after

we talked about it over IM lol she said oooh yes Sara's been

Patterning...what a funny word lol since Kindy. She's now patterning letters

and words. Now I didn't ask her what this was for..........I already

overwhelmed her with tons of questions lol Ill ask tomorrow lol

The Sped dept. has been using the whole language approach with Sara since

preschool, a little phonics and lots of sight reading, Sara now has an

understanding for letter sounds, blends and taking apart words. The sped

teacher went to a few workshops this year and will start a heavy phonic

program this fall..........she's soooooo excited lol we are losing 3 kids to

middle school next fall so...so far she will have 5 kids, 4 in 4th grade

lolol the fourth grade teachers are already sweating on who they will be

getting.........how sad :( Ive been praying a lot that we get a good

teacher, my 12 yr old has already told me WHO Sara shouldn't have lol Of

course I get no input :( anyway off my train of thought lol we should, next

year a pretty good group to do a lot of reading activites lol

I think my sister once told me that there are prior skills one needs to have

to phonically read. I know Sara had it in her IEP for years but was

unsuccessful. Sara's weakness is auditory processing so this might be the

reason why.....sight reading is very visual and that is her strength.....even

with her pulling down her glasses to read lol

If I were you I would have all types of reading going on, you never know when

Mav might be ready :)

Kathy mom to Sara 10...............I did learn patterning was BORING, the

teacher showed me for 30 mins Sara's data lol

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>From 4 to 6, Jan was just a kid in a regular montessori school. The

teacher did take her on as a personal project, but there was nothing

else in terms or support. Her younger brother was in the class behind

her.

Then she entered the public system as an 'unknown' and we pushed to get

her into a class of learning disabled kids (all the same push that it

takes to get a child into inclusion today). There the teacher declared

that she wouldn't teach Jan to read until her speech got better. That

didn't work out. Jan progressed in reading in spite of it and by

Thanksgiving, she had started reading and they said, " Look what we have

done! " OK, credit is free, even if little earned.

The net was that they used phonics for reading and the reading helped

her speech. Janet reads today to get information (TV schedules and show

descriptions) and for enjoyment (most recently MOONWALKER by

).

Every child will be different and different things will work for them.

Rick .... dad to 29 year old Jan

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In a message dated 5/10/2002 5:35:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> When she

> entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for

> readers, so she photocopied readers.

So, was this a sped class that the school was not providing materials for?

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went through DARE in 5th grade. This would be DARE for 8th graders that

I'm considering. Is it just more of the same thing he had in 5th or more in

depth. That is what I'm wondering.

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8

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learned phonics first, when she was about four or five. Preschool was

telling me she would never learn to read, so I taught her myself. When she

entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for

readers, so she photocopied readers. After she proved she could teach her

kids to read, the school board gave her readers.

granny

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> This sounds like . He was reading words on cards at two and

> then learned phonics in Montessori school. He learned spelling very

easily

> too. It's nonsense if they say kids with DS can't learn phonics, I wonder

> where that came from. Must have been a nincompoop. He can read anything.

>

> Jessie, Mom to , 37 and the light of my life.

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> > When she

> > entered first grade, the school board refused her teacher's request for

> > readers, so she photocopied readers.

>

> So, was this a sped class that the school was not providing materials

for?

> Cheryl in VA

It over 20 years ago. Infant stim on up staffers had it in their heads that

and her fellow students would never learn to read. Parents and

teachers had to show them they could. And we did. After first grade, there

were no more problems.

However, I taught all my children to read. I did not rely upon the schools

to do it. I belong to the school of thought that believes learning to read

should begin at birth.

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> > The net was that they used phonics for reading and the reading helped

> her speech.

We found this to be true with our daughter as well. We taught her to read

early and I believe that it really helped with speech.

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I just learned about Open Court today in my Reading course at the University

I go to! What a coincidence. What do you want to know?

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8

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