Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dan, It is my experience that different companies have a different classification of FAC / MTC, and even then it is a grey area. However, (As I have just been looking into this myself - spooky) If you have to give treatment that is minor and will allow the person to continue to work unaffected, then this COULD be classified as a FAC. If you treat someone for more than a day and they are unable to continue work for that period, then this COULD be classified as a MTC. Again, I must stress that this is a grey area: If you treat someone for a headache and they come back to see you the next day and the next again then are you constantly treating the same problem? If so then this COULD be classified as MTC. I should also stress that this is a company led classification, as far as I understand RIDDOR and the FA Book are the only two civilian requirements, out here we classify things further for more reasons. Hope you get the answer somewhere along the line. Don’t be upset or get angry if no one sends you their company’s classifications. Grey area indeed. Mitch Offshore / Remote Medic FA Instructor. First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an elaborate description of what cases are considered FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in the oil/offshore/ construction industry. Regards Dan ------------ --------- --------- --- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Hi Dan, A good question. In my opinion, if they just require recording but no treatment they are a 'First Aid Case'. However, if they require any treatment at all then they are an 'MTC'. This is a grey area, but should be identified in your own facilities procedures. Hope this helps. Cheers Tony Patton Morecambe Gas Field > I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an elaborate description of > what cases are considered FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in the > oil/offshore/construction industry. > > Regards > Dan > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car > Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 It also depends on if you are in the USA or not. OSHA has very specific definitions regarding what is a FAC vs. a MTC/Recordable. There are several different treatments that can be done and the case not be elevated to a MTC. You can search OSHA 300 for more information. I have a PPT that I will see if I can find as well. Josh Horne EMT-P Shell HSE Tech tonypatton@... wrote: Hi Dan, A good question. In my opinion, if they just require recording but no treatment they are a 'First Aid Case'. However, if they require any treatment at all then they are an 'MTC'. This is a grey area, but should be identified in your own facilities procedures. Hope this helps. Cheers Tony Patton Morecambe Gas Field > I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an elaborate description of > what cases are considered FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in the > oil/offshore/construction industry. > > Regards > Dan > > --------------------------------- Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Mitch, I have to disagree with you about your definition of a MTC. This is for classification of work related injuries rather than illness. Basically if you can stick a plaster or a bandage without any real treatment apart from cleaning a wound up then I would classify it as a FAC. The moment you need to stitch a wound or stick them with a needle then that upgrades to a MTC. Hope this clears the issue a little All the best Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 This is from a company Accident & Incident Management procedure Medical Treatment An injury that required treatment by a qualified Medical Practitioner or hospital by administering more than First Aid, the injured person was deemed by them to be fit to return to work. First Aid Case A injury that has been treated by a qualified First Aider/Vessel Medic, the injured person was deemed by them to be fit to return to work. For a change, pretty clear definitions in a company procedure document Hope this helps. Regards Colin Marshall wrote: > > > I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an elaborate description > of what cases are considered FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in > the oil/offshore/construction industry. > > Regards > Dan > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car > Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 depends where you are. the 2 main systems are riddor in UK areas, and the American OSHA. look up OSHA-loads of info and an idiots guide. and of course there are other classifications,like a loss time injury,restricted work case and so on. many variables involved-but remember,you don't classify. that's the safety dept usually. they may wish you to alter your treatment. your question is does this affect recovery? the big companies have solid guidelines. you may find your self with many contractor safety depts-all wishing a different outcome! and within one client company,various folk also wanting different outcomes! remember-some bonuses in safety are linked to the accident rate,and recordability rate. guys want the cash. I always went with 3 main diktats 1-what is the optimum treatment? 2-if I alter this-will it affect the patient? 3-if the attempt is to hide the injury-could it happen again? and if so could reporting this help stop that? remember-you don't classify-so treat and leave it up to others. also if you are working for a big medic company-kick it upstairs. the client company generally wins the day,and generally want things above board,reported and investigated to stop happening again.-the subbys are upset(they want no trouble-their words usually),but they dont pay you ! if you are the medic and safety-good luck,put a broom up your bottom, and sweep the floor as well. I always feel these 2 hat jobs are like being poacher and gamekeeper-way too easy to find yourself up to eye level in the brown sticky stuff,metaphysically speaking of course. Fraser --- <smiddyza@...> wrote: > I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an > elaborate description of what cases are considered > FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in the > oil/offshore/construction industry. > > Regards > Dan > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out > Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/winter07.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 agree with Geoff but there are treatments such a tetnus shot that are not considered MTC since they prevent a worseing of the incident. Also again depends on where you work and for who. Non prescription medication ie; 2 asprin call me in the morning can be considered a first aid Cheers Tom G >From: Gmed1c@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment >Case (MTC) >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:37:01 EDT > >Mitch, > >I have to disagree with you about your definition of a MTC. This is for >classification of work related injuries rather than illness. > >Basically if you can stick a plaster or a bandage without any real >treatment >apart from cleaning a wound up then I would classify it as a FAC. The >moment >you need to stitch a wound or stick them with a needle then that upgrades >to >a MTC. > >Hope this clears the issue a little > >All the best > >Geoff > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dan, first aid... examples Non prescription OTC Meds, Steristrips instead of sutures, Eye wash for FB instead of needle, it goes on. MTC examples prescription medication such as antibiotic, Sutures instead of steristrips, using a needle to remove a FB. however each company should have its own definintions, and even then you will find that everything is not crystal clear with different interpretations coming from different safety officers. >From: <smiddyza@...> >Reply- > < > >Subject: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment >Case (MTC) >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) > >I would appreciate it if anyone can forward me an elaborate description of >what cases are considered FAC's and MTC's as is commonly accepted in the >oil/offshore/construction industry. > > Regards > Dan > > >--------------------------------- >Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car >Finder tool. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Dan, first aid... examples Non prescription OTC Meds, Steristrips instead of sutures, Eye wash for FB instead of needle, it goes on. ********************** NEEDLE ! ! ? ? ? AArrrrggghh ! ! ! Eye wash, Magnet, Plastic loop removal, transfer out if failure Barring long delays to an opthalmologist (+24 hours) IMHO the needle in the eye is a practice that should not be advocated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. Regards, Donn Re: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Dan, first aid... examples Non prescription OTC Meds, Steristrips instead of sutures, Eye wash for FB instead of needle, it goes on. ********************** NEEDLE ! ! ? ? ? AArrrrggghh ! ! ! Eye wash, Magnet, Plastic loop removal, transfer out if failure Barring long delays to an opthalmologist (+24 hours) IMHO the needle in the eye is a practice that should not be advocated Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Steri strips are first aid unless you use derma bond to hold them in place and yes I have seen that one tried and the application of derma bond made it recordable Dustan, L.P. " D.E. (Donn) " <donn@...> wrote: Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. Regards, Donn Re: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Dan, first aid... examples Non prescription OTC Meds, Steristrips instead of sutures, Eye wash for FB instead of needle, it goes on. ********************** NEEDLE ! ! ? ? ? AArrrrggghh ! ! ! Eye wash, Magnet, Plastic loop removal, transfer out if failure Barring long delays to an opthalmologist (+24 hours) IMHO the needle in the eye is a practice that should not be advocated Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. *************************** I think we could do everydoby a favor by expanding the F-A category The whole process is totally neurotic It is totally result oriented (bonus... NO, not best care for employees) Forcing us to chose between not reporting (fraud) Or not treatingproperly (malpractice) Overall I find medic are choosing malpractice over fraud It is easy to surmise(hope) that the wound will heal properly and/or not complicate It is easy to tolerate somebody else's pain (caregiver have been doing this for centuries) Etc. A on line " Medical " control could be one of the solution Bringing a third party, a medical one at that Would help better walk the fine line And inpregnate certitudes in a process that is frought with opinions and conflict of interests This said I fear " Medical " is just as corruptible than the Medic in the fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Steri strips is OSHA non recordable. Dermabond and sutures are OSHA recordable Brault <c_brault@...> wrote: RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. *************************** I think we could do everydoby a favor by expanding the F-A category The whole process is totally neurotic It is totally result oriented (bonus... NO, not best care for employees) Forcing us to chose between not reporting (fraud) Or not treatingproperly (malpractice) Overall I find medic are choosing malpractice over fraud It is easy to surmise(hope) that the wound will heal properly and/or not complicate It is easy to tolerate somebody else's pain (caregiver have been doing this for centuries) Etc. A on line " Medical " control could be one of the solution Bringing a third party, a medical one at that Would help better walk the fine line And inpregnate certitudes in a process that is frought with opinions and conflict of interests This said I fear " Medical " is just as corruptible than the Medic in the fields Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 If you use Steri-strips in lue of sutures or staples then it still counts as a recordable. Otherwise they can be counted as a first aid. 1904.7((5)(ii)(D) Using wound coverings such as bandages, Band-Aids™, gauze pads, etc.; or using butterfly bandages or Steri-Strips™ (other wound closing devices such as sutures, staples, etc., are considered medical treatment); Josh Shigone Beighle <shigone@...> wrote: Steri strips is OSHA non recordable. Dermabond and sutures are OSHA recordable Brault wrote: RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. *************************** I think we could do everydoby a favor by expanding the F-A category The whole process is totally neurotic It is totally result oriented (bonus... NO, not best care for employees) Forcing us to chose between not reporting (fraud) Or not treatingproperly (malpractice) Overall I find medic are choosing malpractice over fraud It is easy to surmise(hope) that the wound will heal properly and/or not complicate It is easy to tolerate somebody else's pain (caregiver have been doing this for centuries) Etc. A on line " Medical " control could be one of the solution Bringing a third party, a medical one at that Would help better walk the fine line And inpregnate certitudes in a process that is frought with opinions and conflict of interests This said I fear " Medical " is just as corruptible than the Medic in the fields Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Be cautious with how you read this: First aid is considered to be: Using wound coverings such as bandages, Band-Aids™, gauze pads, etc.; or using butterfly bandages or Steri-Strips™ Recordable Medical treatment is: (other wound closing devices such as sutures, staples, etc., are considered medical treatment); this includes derma bond also Josh Horne <txmedic4563@...> wrote: If you use Steri-strips in lue of sutures or staples then it still counts as a recordable. Otherwise they can be counted as a first aid. 1904.7((5)(ii)(D) Using wound coverings such as bandages, Band-Aids™, gauze pads, etc.; or using butterfly bandages or Steri-Strips™ (other wound closing devices such as sutures, staples, etc., are considered medical treatment); Josh Shigone Beighle <shigone@...> wrote: Steri strips is OSHA non recordable. Dermabond and sutures are OSHA recordable Brault wrote: RE: First Aid case (FAC) vs Medical Treatment Case (MTC) Pardon me. Very sorry, but I've seen this twice and can't agree. If a wound requires Steri Strips I think OSHA rates that a MTC. A plaster or butterfly might make it under the radar, but Steri Strips and sutures are roughly the same in the eyes of the regulators. *************************** I think we could do everydoby a favor by expanding the F-A category The whole process is totally neurotic It is totally result oriented (bonus... NO, not best care for employees) Forcing us to chose between not reporting (fraud) Or not treatingproperly (malpractice) Overall I find medic are choosing malpractice over fraud It is easy to surmise(hope) that the wound will heal properly and/or not complicate It is easy to tolerate somebody else's pain (caregiver have been doing this for centuries) Etc. A on line " Medical " control could be one of the solution Bringing a third party, a medical one at that Would help better walk the fine line And inpregnate certitudes in a process that is frought with opinions and conflict of interests This said I fear " Medical " is just as corruptible than the Medic in the fields Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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