Re: sweat question

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>>> Sweat is produced in *apocrine* sweat glands in the same way. However,

the sweat from apocrine glands also contains *proteins and fatty acids*,

which make it thicker and give it a milkier or yellowish color. This is why

underarm stains in clothing appear yellowish. Sweat itself has no odor, but

when bacteria on the skin and hair metabolize the proteins and fatty acids,

they produce an unpleasant odor. This is why deodorants and anti-perspirants

are applied to the underarms instead of the whole body. "

---->oh, roman - thanks for the links! interesting. i found this link (from

the second one you posted) and it says that coffee can cause excessive

sweating.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sweat5.htm

i just wonder why i started doing it fairly recently and haven't been doing

it all my life. i do think i probably have some endocrine imbalances, which

might account for it.

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Quoting Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...>:

> ---->well, the alternative is high *carb* and that didn't work too well

> for

> me. i'm not sure that i'm generally eating a macro nutrient ratio that

> works

> best for me or not, but i tend to think the smelly coffee sweat has

> something to do with an endocrine imbalance, not eating too much

> protein/fat. it seems the inuit and other groups with high meat/fat

> would've

> been awfully smelly if simply eating a high fat/protein diet caused this.

> and all the atkins folks, too!

Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their breath.

This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found

that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the problem.

--

Berg

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>>>The smell of sweat is not the protein or fat, but the bacteria that lives

off of it. In more disgusting terms, it's the excrement of the bacteria

that smells. So when you feed the bacteria lots of extra protein, it

thrives and multiplies and gets smelly. Bacteria loves protein.

---->well, the alternative is high *carb* and that didn't work too well for

me. i'm not sure that i'm generally eating a macro nutrient ratio that works

best for me or not, but i tend to think the smelly coffee sweat has

something to do with an endocrine imbalance, not eating too much

protein/fat. it seems the inuit and other groups with high meat/fat would've

been awfully smelly if simply eating a high fat/protein diet caused this.

and all the atkins folks, too! not that i know if these folks stink or not,

but, hmmm...well, i just can't see where high meat/fat causes stinky sweat

in a healthy body. *shrug*

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>>>Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their breath.

This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found

that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the problem.

----->b...b...but, aren't ketone bodies formed from burning *fat* as energy

instead of glucose? what does that have to do with *protein*?

Suze Fisher

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> >>>The smell of sweat is not the protein or fat, but the bacteria that lives

>off of it. In more disgusting terms, it's the excrement of the bacteria

>that smells. So when you feed the bacteria lots of extra protein, it

>thrives and multiplies and gets smelly. Bacteria loves protein.

I'm not sure what causes it, but I thought I'd jump in here -- I had a

boyfriend who would spend days and weeks hiking around the mountains. He

said he would stink in town, if he worked on stuff, but out in the

mountains, he did not. I hiked with him a week, and by golly, he was right.

He also had terrible allergies, and those went away in the mountains too

(not that there was any shortage of pollen out there!).

Our diet hiking wasn't exactly admirable (chocolate bars, freeze dried

food). I'm guessing it might have to do with the high ozone content of the

air or all that sunshine, or the fact we had no electric lights (went to

bed at a decent time). He never ate much meat, in town or otherwise, mainly

because of a lack of desire to actually cook food. He got a lot of exercise

both in town and in the mountains, so that wasn't really a variable either.

Anyway, it was amazing, hiking for a week, not washing your clothes, and

not smelling like a pig ...

-- Heidi

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>>>>>I'm not sure what causes it, but I thought I'd jump in here -- I had a

boyfriend who would spend days and weeks hiking around the mountains. He

said he would stink in town, if he worked on stuff, but out in the

mountains, he did not. I hiked with him a week, and by golly, he was right.

He also had terrible allergies, and those went away in the mountains too

(not that there was any shortage of pollen out there!).

---->hmmmm...thanks heidi - that adds another twist.

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--- In , " Suze Fisher "

> ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but

my kefir

> grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank

fresh

> goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try

to avoid

> that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and

drink

> milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which

seems to be

> important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for

a while

> and make some more bone broths.

I always thought meat was an excellent source of Magnesium? Am I

wrong?

it bothers

> you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according

to

> walcott, a

> good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is

to drink a full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty

stomach and see if you get the jitters. according to *him* if you

don't, you can handle the caffeine fine.

I would argue with this. Caffeine is a stimulant - the more you

consume the more you need to drink to have a stimulant effect. If

you drink loads of coffee, the effect of a large cup of coffee on an

empty stomach will be minimal (my boyfriend can drink a triple

espresso before bed and sleep like a baby - he drinks loads of coffee

every day) However, if you drink very little caffeine, then

drinking a large cup on an empty stomach will make you feel jittery.

(My case: gave up caffeine several months ago - now a cup of tea

after 2pm will keep me awake, and a cup of coffee affects me for

days! Plus, if I drink coffee on an empty stomach, I feel nauseous)

Caffeine is a drug - being able to handle it probably means an

addiction and a detrimental effect on the body.

Just my opinion.

Jo

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>Then why do I eat a pound of meat and a quart and a half of milk's worth

>of protein, alongside a 70-85% fat diet and have virtually no smell

>whatsoever to my sweat (maybe moderate but less than average under the

>arms)?

Possible reasons:

1. You take showers

2. You clean your clothes and sheets

3. You have natural defenses that kill off the bacteria

4. You don't naturally sweat as much as others. Some people sweat a lot.

Some people don't.

5. Your not under as much stress as others.

6. Your using the fat and protein and theres no excess.

7. Your excreteing the excess through other means.

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>i just can't see where high meat/fat causes stinky sweat in a healthy

>body. *shrug*

Well.. It's real easy to test. I've done it myself. Don't eat protein for

3 or 4 days. Or very little, just eat no meat. See how your sweat smells.

Then eat a big piece of salmon and see what happens. My personal

experience bears it out, unfortanatly.

It would be a mistake to think " fat/protein = body odor " .. it's not black

and white like that. Question is , how much fat and protein. What causes

you to sweat, healthy exercise or stress. What kind of protein and your

bodys reaction. Is there somthing else going on like malabsorption. All

sorts of stuff to consider.

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>it was amazing, hiking for a week, not washing your clothes, and

>not smelling like a pig ...

Yeah it's nice that way I've had the same experience. Really it's reason 6

I sent , there is no excess protein to sweat out. When your hikeing

you could probably eat 5000+ cals a day but of course you can't carry that

much so your working at a deficit so theres no excess protein and fat in

your system it's all burned up walking, and thus the sweat will be mostly

water and the bacteria won't have much to chew on.

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>>>>Well.. It's real easy to test. I've done it myself. Don't eat protein

for

3 or 4 days. Or very little, just eat no meat. See how your sweat smells.

Then eat a big piece of salmon and see what happens. My personal

experience bears it out, unfortanatly.

---->i might try that after i try the " no coffee " thing for a while. i do

want to be sure i'm getting *adequate* protein though, cause i'm pretty

active. well, mostly my fingers on the keyboard, actually. lol

>>>It would be a mistake to think " fat/protein = body odor " .. it's not

black

and white like that. Question is , how much fat and protein. What causes

you to sweat, healthy exercise or stress. What kind of protein and your

bodys reaction. Is there somthing else going on like malabsorption. All

sorts of stuff to consider.

----->i do think my absorption may be compromised, and i agree there are

multiple factors that might be causing this. thanks for your thoughts :-)

Suze Fisher

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No, Jo, but my fault. I forgot to mention that the test involves going a

certain number of days without coffee first, iirc. Coffee addiction stops at

3-5

days after caffeine cessation. Wait 5 days then do the test.

-chris

In a message dated 6/11/03 8:44:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

> I would argue with this. Caffeine is a stimulant - the more you

> consume the more you need to drink to have a stimulant effect. If

> you drink loads of coffee, the effect of a large cup of coffee on an

> empty stomach will be minimal (my boyfriend can drink a triple

> espresso before bed and sleep like a baby - he drinks loads of coffee

> every day) However, if you drink very little caffeine, then

> drinking a large cup on an empty stomach will make you feel jittery.

> (My case: gave up caffeine several months ago - now a cup of tea

> after 2pm will keep me awake, and a cup of coffee affects me for

> days! Plus, if I drink coffee on an empty stomach, I feel nauseous)

>

> Caffeine is a drug - being able to handle it probably means an

> addiction and a detrimental effect on the body.

>

> Just my opinion.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

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In a message dated 6/11/03 10:24:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

stephen@... writes:

> 1. You take showers

No, I usually forgot or don't have time.

> 2. You clean your clothes and sheets

I wish I did, but I'd scare you if I told you how often ;-)

> 3. You have natural defenses that kill off the bacteria

Maybe, but I'd expect to have less of this systemic fungal infection or

whatever it is giving me chronic eczema, eye infections, occasional diarrhea,

etc.

> 4. You don't naturally sweat as much as others. Some people sweat a lot.

> Some people don't.

No, I naturally sweat a lot more than other people.

> 5. Your not under as much stress as others.

I have at least average stressors, but might handle stressed better than

others. However, even when I had severe anxiety disorder I did not smell very

much, and while I ate bad fats and soy protein, I had plenty of fat and protein.

> 6. Your using the fat and protein and theres no excess.

Ok, perfectly possible.

7. Your excreteing the excess through other means.

Can't argue with that. Have no idea though.

I suspect it is because I'm 21, and have been following a diet low in toxins

for about six years. While I had a horrible diet deficient in many things,

I've been using organic, herbs, whatever, since I was 15 and even started

cutting sugar and trans fats then. While I avoided trans fats well, sugar use

went

up and down though.

-chris

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From: " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...>

> >>>Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their

breath.

> This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found

> that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the

problem.

>

> ----->b...b...but, aren't ketone bodies formed from burning *fat* as

energy

> instead of glucose?

Right. I just said that it was generally attributed to the excretion of

ketones, not that that attribution was correct.