Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 >>> Sweat is produced in *apocrine* sweat glands in the same way. However, the sweat from apocrine glands also contains *proteins and fatty acids*, which make it thicker and give it a milkier or yellowish color. This is why underarm stains in clothing appear yellowish. Sweat itself has no odor, but when bacteria on the skin and hair metabolize the proteins and fatty acids, they produce an unpleasant odor. This is why deodorants and anti-perspirants are applied to the underarms instead of the whole body. " ---->oh, roman - thanks for the links! interesting. i found this link (from the second one you posted) and it says that coffee can cause excessive sweating. http://science.howstuffworks.com/sweat5.htm i just wonder why i started doing it fairly recently and haven't been doing it all my life. i do think i probably have some endocrine imbalances, which might account for it. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Quoting Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...>: > ---->well, the alternative is high *carb* and that didn't work too well > for > me. i'm not sure that i'm generally eating a macro nutrient ratio that > works > best for me or not, but i tend to think the smelly coffee sweat has > something to do with an endocrine imbalance, not eating too much > protein/fat. it seems the inuit and other groups with high meat/fat > would've > been awfully smelly if simply eating a high fat/protein diet caused this. > and all the atkins folks, too! Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their breath. This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the problem. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >>>The smell of sweat is not the protein or fat, but the bacteria that lives off of it. In more disgusting terms, it's the excrement of the bacteria that smells. So when you feed the bacteria lots of extra protein, it thrives and multiplies and gets smelly. Bacteria loves protein. ---->well, the alternative is high *carb* and that didn't work too well for me. i'm not sure that i'm generally eating a macro nutrient ratio that works best for me or not, but i tend to think the smelly coffee sweat has something to do with an endocrine imbalance, not eating too much protein/fat. it seems the inuit and other groups with high meat/fat would've been awfully smelly if simply eating a high fat/protein diet caused this. and all the atkins folks, too! not that i know if these folks stink or not, but, hmmm...well, i just can't see where high meat/fat causes stinky sweat in a healthy body. *shrug* Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >>>Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their breath. This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the problem. ----->b...b...but, aren't ketone bodies formed from burning *fat* as energy instead of glucose? what does that have to do with *protein*? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 > >>>The smell of sweat is not the protein or fat, but the bacteria that lives >off of it. In more disgusting terms, it's the excrement of the bacteria >that smells. So when you feed the bacteria lots of extra protein, it >thrives and multiplies and gets smelly. Bacteria loves protein. I'm not sure what causes it, but I thought I'd jump in here -- I had a boyfriend who would spend days and weeks hiking around the mountains. He said he would stink in town, if he worked on stuff, but out in the mountains, he did not. I hiked with him a week, and by golly, he was right. He also had terrible allergies, and those went away in the mountains too (not that there was any shortage of pollen out there!). Our diet hiking wasn't exactly admirable (chocolate bars, freeze dried food). I'm guessing it might have to do with the high ozone content of the air or all that sunshine, or the fact we had no electric lights (went to bed at a decent time). He never ate much meat, in town or otherwise, mainly because of a lack of desire to actually cook food. He got a lot of exercise both in town and in the mountains, so that wasn't really a variable either. Anyway, it was amazing, hiking for a week, not washing your clothes, and not smelling like a pig ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >>>>>I'm not sure what causes it, but I thought I'd jump in here -- I had a boyfriend who would spend days and weeks hiking around the mountains. He said he would stink in town, if he worked on stuff, but out in the mountains, he did not. I hiked with him a week, and by golly, he was right. He also had terrible allergies, and those went away in the mountains too (not that there was any shortage of pollen out there!). ---->hmmmm...thanks heidi - that adds another twist. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 --- In , " Suze Fisher " > ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir > grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh > goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid > that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink > milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be > important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while > and make some more bone broths. I always thought meat was an excellent source of Magnesium? Am I wrong? it bothers > you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according to > walcott, a > good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is to drink a full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty stomach and see if you get the jitters. according to *him* if you don't, you can handle the caffeine fine. I would argue with this. Caffeine is a stimulant - the more you consume the more you need to drink to have a stimulant effect. If you drink loads of coffee, the effect of a large cup of coffee on an empty stomach will be minimal (my boyfriend can drink a triple espresso before bed and sleep like a baby - he drinks loads of coffee every day) However, if you drink very little caffeine, then drinking a large cup on an empty stomach will make you feel jittery. (My case: gave up caffeine several months ago - now a cup of tea after 2pm will keep me awake, and a cup of coffee affects me for days! Plus, if I drink coffee on an empty stomach, I feel nauseous) Caffeine is a drug - being able to handle it probably means an addiction and a detrimental effect on the body. Just my opinion. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >Then why do I eat a pound of meat and a quart and a half of milk's worth >of protein, alongside a 70-85% fat diet and have virtually no smell >whatsoever to my sweat (maybe moderate but less than average under the >arms)? Possible reasons: 1. You take showers 2. You clean your clothes and sheets 3. You have natural defenses that kill off the bacteria 4. You don't naturally sweat as much as others. Some people sweat a lot. Some people don't. 5. Your not under as much stress as others. 6. Your using the fat and protein and theres no excess. 7. Your excreteing the excess through other means. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >i just can't see where high meat/fat causes stinky sweat in a healthy >body. *shrug* Well.. It's real easy to test. I've done it myself. Don't eat protein for 3 or 4 days. Or very little, just eat no meat. See how your sweat smells. Then eat a big piece of salmon and see what happens. My personal experience bears it out, unfortanatly. It would be a mistake to think " fat/protein = body odor " .. it's not black and white like that. Question is , how much fat and protein. What causes you to sweat, healthy exercise or stress. What kind of protein and your bodys reaction. Is there somthing else going on like malabsorption. All sorts of stuff to consider. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >it was amazing, hiking for a week, not washing your clothes, and >not smelling like a pig ... Yeah it's nice that way I've had the same experience. Really it's reason 6 I sent , there is no excess protein to sweat out. When your hikeing you could probably eat 5000+ cals a day but of course you can't carry that much so your working at a deficit so theres no excess protein and fat in your system it's all burned up walking, and thus the sweat will be mostly water and the bacteria won't have much to chew on. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 >>>>Well.. It's real easy to test. I've done it myself. Don't eat protein for 3 or 4 days. Or very little, just eat no meat. See how your sweat smells. Then eat a big piece of salmon and see what happens. My personal experience bears it out, unfortanatly. ---->i might try that after i try the " no coffee " thing for a while. i do want to be sure i'm getting *adequate* protein though, cause i'm pretty active. well, mostly my fingers on the keyboard, actually. lol >>>It would be a mistake to think " fat/protein = body odor " .. it's not black and white like that. Question is , how much fat and protein. What causes you to sweat, healthy exercise or stress. What kind of protein and your bodys reaction. Is there somthing else going on like malabsorption. All sorts of stuff to consider. ----->i do think my absorption may be compromised, and i agree there are multiple factors that might be causing this. thanks for your thoughts :-) Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 No, Jo, but my fault. I forgot to mention that the test involves going a certain number of days without coffee first, iirc. Coffee addiction stops at 3-5 days after caffeine cessation. Wait 5 days then do the test. -chris In a message dated 6/11/03 8:44:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > I would argue with this. Caffeine is a stimulant - the more you > consume the more you need to drink to have a stimulant effect. If > you drink loads of coffee, the effect of a large cup of coffee on an > empty stomach will be minimal (my boyfriend can drink a triple > espresso before bed and sleep like a baby - he drinks loads of coffee > every day) However, if you drink very little caffeine, then > drinking a large cup on an empty stomach will make you feel jittery. > (My case: gave up caffeine several months ago - now a cup of tea > after 2pm will keep me awake, and a cup of coffee affects me for > days! Plus, if I drink coffee on an empty stomach, I feel nauseous) > > Caffeine is a drug - being able to handle it probably means an > addiction and a detrimental effect on the body. > > Just my opinion. " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 10:24:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen@... writes: > 1. You take showers No, I usually forgot or don't have time. > 2. You clean your clothes and sheets I wish I did, but I'd scare you if I told you how often ;-) > 3. You have natural defenses that kill off the bacteria Maybe, but I'd expect to have less of this systemic fungal infection or whatever it is giving me chronic eczema, eye infections, occasional diarrhea, etc. > 4. You don't naturally sweat as much as others. Some people sweat a lot. > Some people don't. No, I naturally sweat a lot more than other people. > 5. Your not under as much stress as others. I have at least average stressors, but might handle stressed better than others. However, even when I had severe anxiety disorder I did not smell very much, and while I ate bad fats and soy protein, I had plenty of fat and protein. > 6. Your using the fat and protein and theres no excess. Ok, perfectly possible. 7. Your excreteing the excess through other means. Can't argue with that. Have no idea though. I suspect it is because I'm 21, and have been following a diet low in toxins for about six years. While I had a horrible diet deficient in many things, I've been using organic, herbs, whatever, since I was 15 and even started cutting sugar and trans fats then. While I avoided trans fats well, sugar use went up and down though. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> > >>>Atkins dieters are notorious for smelling bad, particularly their breath. > This is generally attributed to excretion of ketones, but many have found > that decreasing dietary protein and replacing it with fat fixes the problem. > > ----->b...b...but, aren't ketone bodies formed from burning *fat* as energy > instead of glucose? Right. I just said that it was generally attributed to the excretion of ketones, not that that attribution was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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