Re: sweat question

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In a message dated 6/8/03 4:56:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@...

writes:

> I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see

> if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee

> with lemon water drink.

Ok, based on what I read from the article, and granted I have not read Reams'

book, and maybe I am missing something, but why can't one simply consume

foods that contain calcium, magnesium, potassium sodium, or any other anions?

Most foods contain both elements that when ionic will be anionic, and cationic.

Salt is a perfect example, since it is 100% ionic and sodium is anionic and

chlorine is cationic. What do you need a lemon for?

-chris

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In a message dated 6/8/03 5:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Not to say coffee isn't probably a bad thing, though. <g>

true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. " if it were you could just

get a *low-acid* coffee and at one cup a day, have plenty of " alkaline " foods in

your diet. of course the acid/alkaline theory is a load of crap as far as i

can tell.

no doubt coffee's no good, and the acid can be harmful i'm sure, as depending

on what type of coffee i drink i feel like i have a coating of acid on my

teeth. but with a higher quality organic shade-grown coffee i do not really get

this feeling. the caffeine can be horrible or not so bad depending on your

metabolism.

-chris

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suze,

> . i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other

> source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca

> supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it

> coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i

> don't know...i don't recall exactly.

>

wouldn't a quart of milk a day do the job?

also, i'm wondering how often the bone was consumed whole versus bone stocks

and whether stocks can supplant eating bones. i think i might try fermenting

some bones or something by the recipe that was posted recently if i can find

it in the archives.

> a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm

> odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense, not

> necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar with.

>

jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful.

> i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though.

probably a good idea. maybe try quitting for a bit and see if it bothers

you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according to walcott,

a

good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is to drink a

full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty stomach and see if you

get the jitters. according to *him* if you don't, you can handle the caffeine

fine. i personally wouldn't want to take the risk of drinkin it daily though.

-chris

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Suze Fisher wrote:

> I drink a cup of coffee every morning. i noticed a number of months ago,

> that it made me sweat - and the sweat doesn't smell good. my sweat sometimes

> smells fine, and sometimes doesn't. any idea what would make me sweat from

> drinking coffee? and why it would have an odor? something to do with the

> adrenals???

I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see if

http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee with

lemon water drink.

Roman

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Roman-

>I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but

>see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace

>coffee with lemon water drink.

Ed's a great guy with a lot of great information on his site, but I also

think that lately he's been a bit too quick to jump from idea to idea, and

the Reams theory seems to have some serious flaws. Admittedly I haven't

read up on it much, but it seems to advocate addressing digestive problems

by moving to lower nutrient density foods, which sounds all wrong to me.

Not to say coffee isn't probably a bad thing, though. <g>

-

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In a message dated 6/8/03 9:20:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@...

writes:

> Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO.

>

tea tree *oil* or tea tree oil *deodorant*? i use the deodorant, but i don't

think i smell like tea tree oil because of it. i certainly wouldn't rub pure

tea tree oil in my armpits!

-chris

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In a message dated 6/8/03 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

toyotaokiec@... writes:

> Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that

> Mercola recommends?

I've read it and have it. There are some discussions in the archives on it.

What are you wondering about it?

-chris

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>>>I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but

see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace

coffee with lemon water drink.

---->oh funny...i tried to buy some lemons yesterday because i wanted to

drink more lemon water. albeit, i like lemon mixed with naturally carbonated

mineral water - not distilled water as reams suggests. it seems that raw

apple cider vinegar should have a similar affect in regards to cleansing the

liver, but maybe not in respect to anion vs. cation as reams suggests.

i was also just thinking last night, and on and off lately, that my mineral

intake may be imbalanced because i eat a lot of meat without calcium

sources. in the community of people whoe feed their dogs a home made diet,

we are cognizant of balancing the calcium/phosphorous ratio, which seems to

be important to dogs. makes me think it might be equally as important for us

humans. according to the wapf, traditional/primitive folks ate the bone

(often as bone broths) - not just *meat* - so they were getting a decent

balance from the *whole* prey. i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other

source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca

supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it

coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i

don't know...i don't recall exactly.

a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm

odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense, not

necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar with.

i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

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Suze-

>a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm

>odor. is that so?

Yes and no, but mostly yes. Without the bacteria, there'd be no odor, but

without the food they eat there'd be no smelly bacterial metabolites.

That said, I don't know how odor or lack thereof correlates with health.

-

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Suze Fisher wrote:

> a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm

> odor. is that so?

It is as far as I know. That's why deodorizers such as Crystal work. They don't

prevent perspiring but prevent bacteria from producing odorous substances

(possibly by preventing bacteria growth).

Roman

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Chris-

>true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. "

Oh, I agree completely. I'm extremely skeptical of all this " acidic " and

" alkaline " stuff. No two taxonomic systems agree, no two measurement

systems agree, and it all seems very unlikely. There may be some kernel of

truth buried in there somewhere, but I sure haven't been able to suss it out.

>the caffeine can be horrible or not so bad depending on your

>metabolism.

Agreed again. For me, unfortunately, it's poison. For other people, not

so much. I'm not sure that coffee is ever a net positive for anyone, but

who knows.

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ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

> jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful.

Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO.

Roman

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Roman-

>Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO.

I agree. Strong and IMO repellent. It also has some kind of biological

action that I thought was very, very bad, but I forget what it is now. I

could look if anyone's interested.

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Idol wrote:

> Roman-

>

>

>>Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO.

>

>

> I agree. Strong and IMO repellent. It also has some kind of biological

> action that I thought was very, very bad, but I forget what it is now. I

> could look if anyone's interested.

Yes, please do. I've never heard of it.

Roman

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Interesting site. I got totally sidetracked on it.

That's the first time I've seen references to Warburg and Hamer in

the same place. <g>

Oh yeah, and the cancer = fungus concept (a la Doug Kauffman).

Except for the dependence on acidifying/alkalinizing the blood (and

the lack of references), it almost made it to my " keepers " list. But

I did write it down on today's page in my DayTimer. ;-)

OK, now someone help me remember, where is it that someone mentions

that eating the attached fat along with the beef helps to buffer the

acidifying effect of the protein? And I assume that eating the whole

egg, yolk and all...and whole milk instead of skim or low fat

milk...helps keep things in balance.

I *never* see that mentioned in these acid/alkaline sites.

All I know is that I had no energy and little strength and was more

overweight *before* I started eating more protein/fat and less

refined carbs. Then I gained energy and strength and stamina and

lost fat.

Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that

Mercola recommends?

>

> > I drink a cup of coffee every morning. i noticed a number of

months ago,

> > that it made me sweat - and the sweat doesn't smell good. my

sweat sometimes

> > smells fine, and sometimes doesn't. any idea what would make me

sweat from

> > drinking coffee? and why it would have an odor? something to do

with the

> > adrenals???

>

>

> I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor,

but see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to

replace coffee with lemon water drink.

>

> Roman

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>Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that

>Mercola recommends?

Wolcott's _Metabolic Typing Diet_? I read it, and while I think it has

some very severe drawbacks and there are other areas in which I'm uncertain

whether he's right or wrong, he also does have some very useful information

to contribute. I've definitely found that as a so-called protein type, I

do better on high-purine meats than on low-purine ones. His

fat:protein:carb ratios are insanely off the mark, though.

-

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>true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. " if it were you could just

>get a *low-acid* coffee and at one cup a day, have plenty of " alkaline "

>foods in

>your diet. of course the acid/alkaline theory is a load of crap as far as i

>can tell.

In terms of eating acid I'd agree too. You want less acid? Eat some baking

soda.

Calcium DOES neutralize uric acid in the blood though, but it is a lot more

complicated than acid/base: I saw a chart of the process once and it was

like a 12-step chemical reaction.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 6/9/03 7:40:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir

> grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh

> goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid

> that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink

> milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be

> important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while

> and make some more bone broths.

>

aren't veggies good for mg too?

> ---->are you talking about the sudanese recipes i posted a little while

> ago:

> /message/21909 if so, you will

> need ash from burnt sourghum stalks for the first recipe, but not for the

> second :-)

>

> if not these, then *what* recipe are you referring to? i'd be interested to

> see it.

>

that must be it, because i only remember one being posted. i'll look when i

get home. i'll use the second recipe :-)

> ---->well, probably just about any deodorant would stop the smell, but i'd

> rather get to the bottom of why coffee is causing me to sweat and why this

> sweat has an odor, when my sweat doesn't typically have an odor - at least

> not an unpleasant one like this. i also don't use tea tree oil products in

> my house because, i believe, it's toxic to toy dogs. but thanks for the

> suggestion anyway :-)

>

well, just thinking of the bacteria.

> i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown

> stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected

> adversely by it

in what way?

-chris

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suze,

> . i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other

> source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca

> supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it

> coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i

> don't know...i don't recall exactly.

>

wouldn't a quart of milk a day do the job?

----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir

grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh

goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid

that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink

milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be

important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while

and make some more bone broths.

>>>also, i'm wondering how often the bone was consumed whole versus bone

stocks

and whether stocks can supplant eating bones. i think i might try

fermenting

some bones or something by the recipe that was posted recently if i can find

it in the archives.

---->are you talking about the sudanese recipes i posted a little while ago:

/message/21909 if so, you will

need ash from burnt sourghum stalks for the first recipe, but not for the

second :-)

if not these, then *what* recipe are you referring to? i'd be interested to

see it.

> a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for

underarm

> odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense,

not

> necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar

with.

>

jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful.

---->well, probably just about any deodorant would stop the smell, but i'd

rather get to the bottom of why coffee is causing me to sweat and why this

sweat has an odor, when my sweat doesn't typically have an odor - at least

not an unpleasant one like this. i also don't use tea tree oil products in

my house because, i believe, it's toxic to toy dogs. but thanks for the

suggestion anyway :-)

> i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though.

>>>probably a good idea. maybe try quitting for a bit and see if it bothers

you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according to

walcott, a

good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is to drink

a

full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty stomach and see if you

get the jitters. according to *him* if you don't, you can handle the

caffeine

fine. i personally wouldn't want to take the risk of drinkin it daily

though.

------>well, that is how i *always* drink my coffee - upon waking on an

empty stomach. and i don't get jitters. today though i'm drinking tea to see

if i get the malodorous sweat. i i thought i selected a non-caffeine tea,

but the box says it's " low caffeine " . tomorrow i'll try a NO caffeine tea

and see what happens. so far, this low caffeine one doesn't seem to be

affecting me like coffee does.

i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown

stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected

adversely by it

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

> ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir

> grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh

> goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid

> that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink

> milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to

be

> important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a

while

> and make some more bone broths.

>

aren't veggies good for mg too?

---->i think nuts and grains are rich sources, veggies maybe less so.

> i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown

> stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected

> adversely by it

in what way?

----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this is not

healthy.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

I was wondering whether it was worth the money. Does it help one

make good decisions, or does it just muddy the waters?

All things considered, I don't feel the need to buy many nutrition or

health books because I've read Price's _Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration_.

It has been much less stressful to weigh all the health news reports

and new drug announcements against what I learned from Price's work.

On another topic...I ran into an old friend from work (now retired)

the other day. Should I, or should I not, have begun the

conversation with the comment, " I'm eating animal fat " ? It's kind of

funny to see their bemused expressions (or should I say " shock " ?)

after I say that. But is that how you win friends and influence

people?

> In a message dated 6/8/03 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> toyotaokiec@y... writes:

>

> > Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that

> > Mercola recommends?

>

> I've read it and have it. There are some discussions in the

archives on it.

> What are you wondering about it?

>

> -chris

>

>

>

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> ----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this

is not

> healthy.

OTOH, if you're dumping toxins and eliminating them through your

sweat, isn't that a good thing?

The liver is a detoxifying organ, and I think you mentioned that

you've been trying to improve its function.

What do people use coffee enemas for? Aren't they supposed to help

get rid of toxins?

Hey! I just had another thought...what if your sense of smell has

improved? Are you getting more zinc than you used to? If you're

deficient in zinc, your sense of smell will be less acute. My eye

doctor put me onto that one. I don't remember how it came up, but I

remember realizing in his office that my poorer sense of smell seemed

to coincide with the period of time when my housemates and I all went

on Weight Watchers together (in the mid-1980s). That was the first

time I ever cut back much on eating beef. Once I added it back

(years later), I felt that my sense of smell improved somewhat. It

never has gotten back to where it is acute as it used to be.

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In a message dated 6/9/03 8:24:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> >i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown

> >stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected

> >adversely by it

>

> in what way?

>

> ----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this is not

> healthy.

oh, i thought you meant specifically organic shade-grown coffee as compared

to other coffee. when you sweat when you workout at the gym, does it also

smell similarly? is there a greater correlation between the smell and *why*

you're sweating (i.e. exercise versus coffee), or between the smell and what you

eaten or drank lately that might have a higher or lower toxin load?

-chris

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In a message dated 6/9/03 10:45:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

toyotaokiec@... writes:

> I was wondering whether it was worth the money. Does it help one

> make good decisions, or does it just muddy the waters?

>

I doubt it's worth the money, because you can just read Mercola's articles

and get the gist of it. I agree with what said. There are lots of little

problems, like he says everyone needs supplemental D, but protein types should

avoid vitamin A, so carbos take cod liver oil and proteins take

cholachaliciferol supplements. But while protein types avoid vitamin A, their

best food

is... liver! loaded with vitamin A. Doesn't make any sense.

There is a lengthy " quiz " to take to determine your metabolic type, but all

the fine tuning is basically done by keeping a food log, which you can do

anyway.

The most disappointing thing about the book is the science behind the diet is

explained in about *zero* detail. Same with all of Walcott's articles

Mercola carries. I find that annoying.

You could read it for interest, and he definitely makes some really good

points (I totally agree with 's point on purines), but if you have limited

funds I wouldn't spend the money.

-chris

> All things considered, I don't feel the need to buy many nutrition or

> health books because I've read Price's _Nutrition and Physical

> Degeneration_.

>

> It has been much less stressful to weigh all the health news reports

> and new drug announcements against what I learned from Price's work.

>

> On another topic...I ran into an old friend from work (now retired)

> the other day. Should I, or should I not, have begun the

> conversation with the comment, " I'm eating animal fat " ? It's kind of

> funny to see their bemused expressions (or should I say " shock " ?)

> after I say that. But is that how you win friends and influence

> people?

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

> i was also just thinking last night, and on and off lately, that my

mineral

> intake may be imbalanced because i eat a lot of meat without calcium

> sources. in the community of people whoe feed their dogs a home made

diet, we are cognizant of balancing the calcium/phosphorous ratio,

which seems to be important to dogs. makes me think it might be

equally as important for us humans. according to the wapf,

traditional/primitive folks ate the bone (often as bone broths) - not

just *meat* - so they were getting a decent balance from the *whole*

prey. i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other source of calcium

(and other synergistic minerals).

*** According to the following site (seems scientific), practically

everyone in our society is deficient in Magnesium. Bottled water (pure

H2O, not minteral water) plays a role in this deficiency.

http://www.mgwater.com

There's an online book:

http://www.mgwater.com/rodtitle.shtml

Chapter 9 is: " How To Eat Enough Magnesium "

The author suggests dolomite powder, which is crushed up bone.

Does anyone here take dolomite powder?

If crushed bone is eaten in traditional societies, I wonder why it's

*not* mentioned in NT (to my recollection)?

One thing that seems to help: I've been using Concentrace in my RO

water. I was concerned that it contains trace amount of Fluoride.

However, I believe the benefits far outweigh that negatives. Pure h2O

(as in bottled water) sends me running to the toilet to pee.

daphneb.