Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 In a message dated 6/8/03 4:56:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@... writes: > I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see > if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee > with lemon water drink. Ok, based on what I read from the article, and granted I have not read Reams' book, and maybe I am missing something, but why can't one simply consume foods that contain calcium, magnesium, potassium sodium, or any other anions? Most foods contain both elements that when ionic will be anionic, and cationic. Salt is a perfect example, since it is 100% ionic and sodium is anionic and chlorine is cationic. What do you need a lemon for? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 In a message dated 6/8/03 5:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Idol@... writes: > Not to say coffee isn't probably a bad thing, though. <g> true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. " if it were you could just get a *low-acid* coffee and at one cup a day, have plenty of " alkaline " foods in your diet. of course the acid/alkaline theory is a load of crap as far as i can tell. no doubt coffee's no good, and the acid can be harmful i'm sure, as depending on what type of coffee i drink i feel like i have a coating of acid on my teeth. but with a higher quality organic shade-grown coffee i do not really get this feeling. the caffeine can be horrible or not so bad depending on your metabolism. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 suze, > . i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other > source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca > supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it > coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i > don't know...i don't recall exactly. > wouldn't a quart of milk a day do the job? also, i'm wondering how often the bone was consumed whole versus bone stocks and whether stocks can supplant eating bones. i think i might try fermenting some bones or something by the recipe that was posted recently if i can find it in the archives. > a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm > odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense, not > necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar with. > jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful. > i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though. probably a good idea. maybe try quitting for a bit and see if it bothers you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according to walcott, a good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is to drink a full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty stomach and see if you get the jitters. according to *him* if you don't, you can handle the caffeine fine. i personally wouldn't want to take the risk of drinkin it daily though. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Suze Fisher wrote: > I drink a cup of coffee every morning. i noticed a number of months ago, > that it made me sweat - and the sweat doesn't smell good. my sweat sometimes > smells fine, and sometimes doesn't. any idea what would make me sweat from > drinking coffee? and why it would have an odor? something to do with the > adrenals??? I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee with lemon water drink. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Roman- >I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but >see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace >coffee with lemon water drink. Ed's a great guy with a lot of great information on his site, but I also think that lately he's been a bit too quick to jump from idea to idea, and the Reams theory seems to have some serious flaws. Admittedly I haven't read up on it much, but it seems to advocate addressing digestive problems by moving to lower nutrient density foods, which sounds all wrong to me. Not to say coffee isn't probably a bad thing, though. <g> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 In a message dated 6/8/03 9:20:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@... writes: > Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO. > tea tree *oil* or tea tree oil *deodorant*? i use the deodorant, but i don't think i smell like tea tree oil because of it. i certainly wouldn't rub pure tea tree oil in my armpits! -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 In a message dated 6/8/03 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toyotaokiec@... writes: > Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that > Mercola recommends? I've read it and have it. There are some discussions in the archives on it. What are you wondering about it? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 >>>I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee with lemon water drink. ---->oh funny...i tried to buy some lemons yesterday because i wanted to drink more lemon water. albeit, i like lemon mixed with naturally carbonated mineral water - not distilled water as reams suggests. it seems that raw apple cider vinegar should have a similar affect in regards to cleansing the liver, but maybe not in respect to anion vs. cation as reams suggests. i was also just thinking last night, and on and off lately, that my mineral intake may be imbalanced because i eat a lot of meat without calcium sources. in the community of people whoe feed their dogs a home made diet, we are cognizant of balancing the calcium/phosphorous ratio, which seems to be important to dogs. makes me think it might be equally as important for us humans. according to the wapf, traditional/primitive folks ate the bone (often as bone broths) - not just *meat* - so they were getting a decent balance from the *whole* prey. i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i don't know...i don't recall exactly. a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense, not necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar with. i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Suze- >a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm >odor. is that so? Yes and no, but mostly yes. Without the bacteria, there'd be no odor, but without the food they eat there'd be no smelly bacterial metabolites. That said, I don't know how odor or lack thereof correlates with health. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Suze Fisher wrote: > a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm > odor. is that so? It is as far as I know. That's why deodorizers such as Crystal work. They don't prevent perspiring but prevent bacteria from producing odorous substances (possibly by preventing bacteria growth). Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Chris- >true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. " Oh, I agree completely. I'm extremely skeptical of all this " acidic " and " alkaline " stuff. No two taxonomic systems agree, no two measurement systems agree, and it all seems very unlikely. There may be some kernel of truth buried in there somewhere, but I sure haven't been able to suss it out. >the caffeine can be horrible or not so bad depending on your >metabolism. Agreed again. For me, unfortunately, it's poison. For other people, not so much. I'm not sure that coffee is ever a net positive for anyone, but who knows. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful. Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Roman- >Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO. I agree. Strong and IMO repellent. It also has some kind of biological action that I thought was very, very bad, but I forget what it is now. I could look if anyone's interested. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Idol wrote: > Roman- > > >>Tea tree oil has a strong smell, IMO. > > > I agree. Strong and IMO repellent. It also has some kind of biological > action that I thought was very, very bad, but I forget what it is now. I > could look if anyone's interested. Yes, please do. I've never heard of it. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Interesting site. I got totally sidetracked on it. That's the first time I've seen references to Warburg and Hamer in the same place. <g> Oh yeah, and the cancer = fungus concept (a la Doug Kauffman). Except for the dependence on acidifying/alkalinizing the blood (and the lack of references), it almost made it to my " keepers " list. But I did write it down on today's page in my DayTimer. ;-) OK, now someone help me remember, where is it that someone mentions that eating the attached fat along with the beef helps to buffer the acidifying effect of the protein? And I assume that eating the whole egg, yolk and all...and whole milk instead of skim or low fat milk...helps keep things in balance. I *never* see that mentioned in these acid/alkaline sites. All I know is that I had no energy and little strength and was more overweight *before* I started eating more protein/fat and less refined carbs. Then I gained energy and strength and stamina and lost fat. Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that Mercola recommends? > > > I drink a cup of coffee every morning. i noticed a number of months ago, > > that it made me sweat - and the sweat doesn't smell good. my sweat sometimes > > smells fine, and sometimes doesn't. any idea what would make me sweat from > > drinking coffee? and why it would have an odor? something to do with the > > adrenals??? > > > I don't know anything about the connection between coffee and odor, but see if http://www.newtreatments.org/reams won't convince you to replace coffee with lemon water drink. > > Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 - >Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that >Mercola recommends? Wolcott's _Metabolic Typing Diet_? I read it, and while I think it has some very severe drawbacks and there are other areas in which I'm uncertain whether he's right or wrong, he also does have some very useful information to contribute. I've definitely found that as a so-called protein type, I do better on high-purine meats than on low-purine ones. His fat:protein:carb ratios are insanely off the mark, though. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 >true, but i doubt it is because it is " acidic. " if it were you could just >get a *low-acid* coffee and at one cup a day, have plenty of " alkaline " >foods in >your diet. of course the acid/alkaline theory is a load of crap as far as i >can tell. In terms of eating acid I'd agree too. You want less acid? Eat some baking soda. Calcium DOES neutralize uric acid in the blood though, but it is a lot more complicated than acid/base: I saw a chart of the process once and it was like a 12-step chemical reaction. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 In a message dated 6/9/03 7:40:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir > grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh > goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid > that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink > milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be > important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while > and make some more bone broths. > aren't veggies good for mg too? > ---->are you talking about the sudanese recipes i posted a little while > ago: > /message/21909 if so, you will > need ash from burnt sourghum stalks for the first recipe, but not for the > second :-) > > if not these, then *what* recipe are you referring to? i'd be interested to > see it. > that must be it, because i only remember one being posted. i'll look when i get home. i'll use the second recipe :-) > ---->well, probably just about any deodorant would stop the smell, but i'd > rather get to the bottom of why coffee is causing me to sweat and why this > sweat has an odor, when my sweat doesn't typically have an odor - at least > not an unpleasant one like this. i also don't use tea tree oil products in > my house because, i believe, it's toxic to toy dogs. but thanks for the > suggestion anyway :-) > well, just thinking of the bacteria. > i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown > stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected > adversely by it in what way? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 suze, > . i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other > source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). i used to take a ca > supp. but stopped it a number of months ago, and it's quite possible it > coincided with the time that i started prespiring from drinking coffee. i > don't know...i don't recall exactly. > wouldn't a quart of milk a day do the job? ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while and make some more bone broths. >>>also, i'm wondering how often the bone was consumed whole versus bone stocks and whether stocks can supplant eating bones. i think i might try fermenting some bones or something by the recipe that was posted recently if i can find it in the archives. ---->are you talking about the sudanese recipes i posted a little while ago: /message/21909 if so, you will need ash from burnt sourghum stalks for the first recipe, but not for the second :-) if not these, then *what* recipe are you referring to? i'd be interested to see it. > a guy who works at my gym said that *bacteria* are responsible for underarm > odor. is that so? guess i need to work on my " soil " in a general sense, not > necessarily reams' sense of cation/anion, which i'm not very familiar with. > jason's makes a tea tree oil deodorant that might be helpful. ---->well, probably just about any deodorant would stop the smell, but i'd rather get to the bottom of why coffee is causing me to sweat and why this sweat has an odor, when my sweat doesn't typically have an odor - at least not an unpleasant one like this. i also don't use tea tree oil products in my house because, i believe, it's toxic to toy dogs. but thanks for the suggestion anyway :-) > i do think it's time i at least cut back on the coffee, though. >>>probably a good idea. maybe try quitting for a bit and see if it bothers you. if it doesn't, maybe you're not doing much damage. according to walcott, a good test to see if you can handle caffeine for your metabolism is to drink a full cup of coffee upon waking on a completely empty stomach and see if you get the jitters. according to *him* if you don't, you can handle the caffeine fine. i personally wouldn't want to take the risk of drinkin it daily though. ------>well, that is how i *always* drink my coffee - upon waking on an empty stomach. and i don't get jitters. today though i'm drinking tea to see if i get the malodorous sweat. i i thought i selected a non-caffeine tea, but the box says it's " low caffeine " . tomorrow i'll try a NO caffeine tea and see what happens. so far, this low caffeine one doesn't seem to be affecting me like coffee does. i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected adversely by it Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 > ----->i'm not sure. i try to drink most of my milk fermented, but my kefir > grains have gone weird on me again, so no kefir right now. i drank fresh > goat's milk the other day and it made me very sleepy, so i'll try to avoid > that. and, i'm concernced about the ca/mg issue...if i eat meat and drink > milk maybe i'm getting a decent ca/p ratio, but not ca/mg which seems to be > important as well. i will probably try a ca/mg supplement again for a while > and make some more bone broths. > aren't veggies good for mg too? ---->i think nuts and grains are rich sources, veggies maybe less so. > i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown > stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected > adversely by it in what way? ----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this is not healthy. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 I was wondering whether it was worth the money. Does it help one make good decisions, or does it just muddy the waters? All things considered, I don't feel the need to buy many nutrition or health books because I've read Price's _Nutrition and Physical Degeneration_. It has been much less stressful to weigh all the health news reports and new drug announcements against what I learned from Price's work. On another topic...I ran into an old friend from work (now retired) the other day. Should I, or should I not, have begun the conversation with the comment, " I'm eating animal fat " ? It's kind of funny to see their bemused expressions (or should I say " shock " ?) after I say that. But is that how you win friends and influence people? > In a message dated 6/8/03 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > toyotaokiec@y... writes: > > > Is anyone here looking into the book about metabolic typing that > > Mercola recommends? > > I've read it and have it. There are some discussions in the archives on it. > What are you wondering about it? > > -chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 > ----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this is not > healthy. OTOH, if you're dumping toxins and eliminating them through your sweat, isn't that a good thing? The liver is a detoxifying organ, and I think you mentioned that you've been trying to improve its function. What do people use coffee enemas for? Aren't they supposed to help get rid of toxins? Hey! I just had another thought...what if your sense of smell has improved? Are you getting more zinc than you used to? If you're deficient in zinc, your sense of smell will be less acute. My eye doctor put me onto that one. I don't remember how it came up, but I remember realizing in his office that my poorer sense of smell seemed to coincide with the period of time when my housemates and I all went on Weight Watchers together (in the mid-1980s). That was the first time I ever cut back much on eating beef. Once I added it back (years later), I felt that my sense of smell improved somewhat. It never has gotten back to where it is acute as it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 In a message dated 6/9/03 8:24:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > >i guess it's time to kick the coffee habit anyway. the organic shade grown > >stuff costs an arm and leg, beside the fact that i seem to be affected > >adversely by it > > in what way? > > ----->it makes me sweat and the sweat smells bad. i'm guessing this is not > healthy. oh, i thought you meant specifically organic shade-grown coffee as compared to other coffee. when you sweat when you workout at the gym, does it also smell similarly? is there a greater correlation between the smell and *why* you're sweating (i.e. exercise versus coffee), or between the smell and what you eaten or drank lately that might have a higher or lower toxin load? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 In a message dated 6/9/03 10:45:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, toyotaokiec@... writes: > I was wondering whether it was worth the money. Does it help one > make good decisions, or does it just muddy the waters? > I doubt it's worth the money, because you can just read Mercola's articles and get the gist of it. I agree with what said. There are lots of little problems, like he says everyone needs supplemental D, but protein types should avoid vitamin A, so carbos take cod liver oil and proteins take cholachaliciferol supplements. But while protein types avoid vitamin A, their best food is... liver! loaded with vitamin A. Doesn't make any sense. There is a lengthy " quiz " to take to determine your metabolic type, but all the fine tuning is basically done by keeping a food log, which you can do anyway. The most disappointing thing about the book is the science behind the diet is explained in about *zero* detail. Same with all of Walcott's articles Mercola carries. I find that annoying. You could read it for interest, and he definitely makes some really good points (I totally agree with 's point on purines), but if you have limited funds I wouldn't spend the money. -chris > All things considered, I don't feel the need to buy many nutrition or > health books because I've read Price's _Nutrition and Physical > Degeneration_. > > It has been much less stressful to weigh all the health news reports > and new drug announcements against what I learned from Price's work. > > On another topic...I ran into an old friend from work (now retired) > the other day. Should I, or should I not, have begun the > conversation with the comment, " I'm eating animal fat " ? It's kind of > funny to see their bemused expressions (or should I say " shock " ?) > after I say that. But is that how you win friends and influence > people? " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 > i was also just thinking last night, and on and off lately, that my mineral > intake may be imbalanced because i eat a lot of meat without calcium > sources. in the community of people whoe feed their dogs a home made diet, we are cognizant of balancing the calcium/phosphorous ratio, which seems to be important to dogs. makes me think it might be equally as important for us humans. according to the wapf, traditional/primitive folks ate the bone (often as bone broths) - not just *meat* - so they were getting a decent balance from the *whole* prey. i eat meat a lot without any bone, or other source of calcium (and other synergistic minerals). *** According to the following site (seems scientific), practically everyone in our society is deficient in Magnesium. Bottled water (pure H2O, not minteral water) plays a role in this deficiency. http://www.mgwater.com There's an online book: http://www.mgwater.com/rodtitle.shtml Chapter 9 is: " How To Eat Enough Magnesium " The author suggests dolomite powder, which is crushed up bone. Does anyone here take dolomite powder? If crushed bone is eaten in traditional societies, I wonder why it's *not* mentioned in NT (to my recollection)? One thing that seems to help: I've been using Concentrace in my RO water. I was concerned that it contains trace amount of Fluoride. However, I believe the benefits far outweigh that negatives. Pure h2O (as in bottled water) sends me running to the toilet to pee. daphneb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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