Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 , I am doing the same thing in my location and for the money (I happen to require 12 capability also) the Zoll is great and nearly medic proof awa. durable with bits and accessories available all over the globe. Steve Rundle <jrundle@...> wrote: Afternoon everyone. Hope everyone is doing well on their respective rust buckets. I need a bit of advice. I am in the process of placing an order for a new ECG/Defib/Monitor (depends what you call it). Thus far I have narrowed it down to the following: 1) Zoll M series 2) HP Code Master XL+ I would personaly preffere something portable and robust so that it can be used on the rig with worries of the thing conking out on the first use. Any advice on other moniters will be welcomed. Should you suggest another monitor, please supply a website addy so I can check it out and compare them. Thanx J ___________________________________________________________________ For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Welch Allyn Pic 50 Deluxe : 12 lead, NiBP, SpO2, EtCO2, Paddles/Pads, Pacing, Temp, Trending, colour screen, Fully upgradeable, easy to use data transfer(optional). This is the machine, its a great bit of kit. http://www.welchallyn.com/medical/products/pdfdownload/pdf/EmergServicesfin.pdf Cheers --- Rundle <jrundle@...> wrote: > Afternoon everyone. > > Hope everyone is doing well on their respective rust > buckets. > > I need a bit of advice. > > I am in the process of placing an order for a new > ECG/Defib/Monitor (depends what you call it). Thus > far I > have narrowed it down to the following: > > 1) Zoll M series > 2) HP Code Master XL+ > > I would personaly preffere something portable and > robust so > that it can be used on the rig with worries of the > thing > conking out on the first use. > > Any advice on other moniters will be welcomed. > Should you > suggest another monitor, please supply a website > addy so I > can check it out and compare them. > > Thanx > > J > ___________________________________________________________________ > For super low premiums, click here > http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE > email service > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Zoll M series no question, nice screen size, medic proof, good battery life. in general a all around good piece of kit Cheers Tom G Afghanistan >From: Stevan Pierce <ermedicsp@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:53:34 -0800 (PST) > >, > I am doing the same thing in my location and for the money (I happen to >require 12 capability also) the Zoll is great and nearly medic proof awa. >durable with bits and accessories available all over the globe. > Steve > > Rundle <jrundle@...> wrote: Afternoon everyone. > > Hope everyone is doing well on their respective rust > buckets. > > I need a bit of advice. > > I am in the process of placing an order for a new > ECG/Defib/Monitor (depends what you call it). Thus far I > have narrowed it down to the following: > > 1) Zoll M series > 2) HP Code Master XL+ > > I would personaly preffere something portable and robust so > that it can be used on the rig with worries of the thing > conking out on the first use. > > Any advice on other moniters will be welcomed. Should you > suggest another monitor, please supply a website addy so I > can check it out and compare them. > > Thanx > > J > ___________________________________________________________________ > For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Go for the Zoll, the best piece of kit on the market, great on the road, just remember the thing has a voice recorder !! Tom would be keen on what works and what doesnt when it comes to defibs at his time of life, not long till he needs one !! Cheers Dinger thomas greaber <tom5255@...> wrote: Zoll M series no question, nice screen size, medic proof, good battery life. in general a all around good piece of kit Cheers Tom G Afghanistan >From: Stevan Pierce <ermedicsp@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:53:34 -0800 (PST) > >, > I am doing the same thing in my location and for the money (I happen to >require 12 capability also) the Zoll is great and nearly medic proof awa. >durable with bits and accessories available all over the globe. > Steve > > Rundle <jrundle@...> wrote: Afternoon everyone. > > Hope everyone is doing well on their respective rust > buckets. > > I need a bit of advice. > > I am in the process of placing an order for a new > ECG/Defib/Monitor (depends what you call it). Thus far I > have narrowed it down to the following: > > 1) Zoll M series > 2) HP Code Master XL+ > > I would personaly preffere something portable and robust so > that it can be used on the rig with worries of the thing > conking out on the first use. > > Any advice on other moniters will be welcomed. Should you > suggest another monitor, please supply a website addy so I > can check it out and compare them. > > Thanx > > J > ___________________________________________________________________ > For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 bite me! dinger! hows the big sand box? Back in afghan land here nice gig Cheers Tom G >From: Rich Bell <dingermedic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor >Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:48:23 +0000 (GMT) > >Go for the Zoll, the best piece of kit on the market, great on the road, >just remember the thing has a voice recorder !! > > Tom would be keen on what works and what doesnt when it comes to defibs >at his time of life, not long till he needs one !! > > Cheers > > Dinger > >thomas greaber <tom5255@...> wrote: > Zoll M series no question, nice screen size, medic proof, good battery >life. >in general a all around good piece of kit > >Cheers > >Tom G >Afghanistan > > > >From: Stevan Pierce <ermedicsp@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor > >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:53:34 -0800 (PST) > > > >, > > I am doing the same thing in my location and for the money (I happen >to > >require 12 capability also) the Zoll is great and nearly medic proof >awa. > >durable with bits and accessories available all over the globe. > > Steve > > > > Rundle <jrundle@...> wrote: Afternoon everyone. > > > > Hope everyone is doing well on their respective rust > > buckets. > > > > I need a bit of advice. > > > > I am in the process of placing an order for a new > > ECG/Defib/Monitor (depends what you call it). Thus far I > > have narrowed it down to the following: > > > > 1) Zoll M series > > 2) HP Code Master XL+ > > > > I would personaly preffere something portable and robust so > > that it can be used on the rig with worries of the thing > > conking out on the first use. > > > > Any advice on other moniters will be welcomed. Should you > > suggest another monitor, please supply a website addy so I > > can check it out and compare them. > > > > Thanx > > > > J > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service > > > > > > Member Information: > > > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be >sent > >to the list owner. > > > > Post message: egroups > > > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > > > Regards > > > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 : I have Zoll and an LP 10 C (for a back up).My preference is the Zoll over the LP 12 because of size, cost and internal battery support/charging systems, whichever model the more bells and whistles added on to either flavours this can really subtract from battery life, a concern to myself as transports can be quite an adventure. Just my preference but whichever you choose " give me paddles or give me death " , just try ordering a set of those silly Defib Pads. Do you have Fed-Ex Frigate Bird overnight delivery to the rust bucket? (respectfully) Wilf of 58° 40.384' 120° 06.262' ps you could try sonyshockman@... Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor > Go for the Zoll, the best piece of kit on the market, great on the road, > just remember the thing has a voice recorder !! > > Tom would be keen on what works and what doesn't when it comes to defibs > at his time of life, not long till he needs one !! > > Cheers > > Dinger > > thomas greaber <tom5255@...> wrote: > Zoll M series no question, nice screen size, medic proof, good battery > life. > in general a all around good piece of kit > > Cheers > > Tom G > Afghanistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 The Zoll monitor is heavy, expensive, the NIBP sucks getting a reading under 100 systolic, and the cables tend to break often, and the EKG tends to show phantom pacing spikes, and battery life is short so have an inverter. Also the SpO2 is prone to artifact and rings off all the time. It is a massimo model, and from friend who works NICU tell me that their new hospital based massimo SpO2 monitors have the same problem. These are not just problems that I have heard about but problems that I have seen often. I could go on but I don't want to be accused of 'bashing' the Zoll. The following links have more discussion regarding the Zoll, so take a look and decide for yourself: http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=17 & showtopic=5953 http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=12 & showtopic=8412 http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63 & threadid=2907 It has been a while sense I have used a LP12 but I can't say I remember many of those problems. If I had to do it all over again I would dare say I would rather have any other monitor. A buddy of mine who just got back from Afghanistan says that the military is switching over to them. He says from his days working in Phili that he had similar problems. My advice is seriouly look at other monitors before picking a Zoll as you might end up getting stuck with it for years (like I think I am!) JH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I don't think my first post went through so I will try this again. If it is a repeat I am sorry. My experience with Zoll monitors has been negative. The CCT model in particular. If I had to sum it up in a few words I would pick expensive, heavy, awkward, and unreliable. From phantom pacing spikes that appear on the EKG, to a useless NIPB for anything under 100 systolic, to a end tidal CO2 that is quirky, to cables that seem to break for no reason, to short battery life... I could go on... Good points include the color screen and people seem to think it looks good so your LCF (look cool factor) increases when you are carrying it around....! (It could also double as exercise equipment if you are on a remote post... bicep curls maybe?) I don't want this to seem like a rant so I have pasted some links to other forums who are having a similar discussion: http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php? forum=7 & showtopic=12864 & highlight=Zoll http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm? catid=63 & threadid=2907 All I have to say is make sure you really like it and are willing to put up with these issues before getting a Zoll. A friend of mine, who just returned from Afghanistan says the military is switching over to the Zoll. It should be interesting to see how it fairs up in field conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Military and pre hospital providers have struggled with the colour screen in bright sun light !! You can opt for plain screen i believe, but granted doesnt look so cool. The only trouble i had with cables was an over zelous member of trumpton (water fairy, Squirter,Drip stand) and a recipricating saw !! doh......... Battery life not an issue if you opt for the trickle charge stand, as used in vehicles. Heavy yes, but im massive so no dramas there !!! Im sure the issues with NIBP and SPO2 have been sorted in the new model M series. Cheers Dinger (In The Sandpit) www.extrememedical.co.uk jamie_h_hersey <herseyjh@...> wrote: I don't think my first post went through so I will try this again. If it is a repeat I am sorry. My experience with Zoll monitors has been negative. The CCT model in particular. If I had to sum it up in a few words I would pick expensive, heavy, awkward, and unreliable. From phantom pacing spikes that appear on the EKG, to a useless NIPB for anything under 100 systolic, to a end tidal CO2 that is quirky, to cables that seem to break for no reason, to short battery life... I could go on... Good points include the color screen and people seem to think it looks good so your LCF (look cool factor) increases when you are carrying it around....! (It could also double as exercise equipment if you are on a remote post... bicep curls maybe?) I don't want this to seem like a rant so I have pasted some links to other forums who are having a similar discussion: http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php? forum=7 & showtopic=12864 & highlight=Zoll http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm? catid=63 & threadid=2907 All I have to say is make sure you really like it and are willing to put up with these issues before getting a Zoll. A friend of mine, who just returned from Afghanistan says the military is switching over to the Zoll. It should be interesting to see how it fairs up in field conditions. Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 That is what the Zoll rep told us when we got the CCT. I think it is two years old now. She said 'with the new software' the NIBP will work on hypotensive patients, but I have yet to get it to work on most patients who are about 100 systolic and below. I would be willing to bet money on that fact. We are picking up a few Zoll M models so I hope the BP issue is in fact been addressed. How do you find the SpO2? Our particular Zoll uses Masimoto technology and it seems to 'ring off' a lot or produce lots of artifact. A friend of mine who works NICU says they have switched to Masimoto SpO2 monitors and have has similar problems. I hope the new M series monitors we are getting work out. After all I got stuck with witting the proposal requesting their purchase, whist I must admit, was hard to do with my negative feelings towards the CCT. I mean I would like to think I am an open minded type of guy, and really, as long a monitor works I tend to not really care what it is, but I can honestly say I would rather drag along a Propaq, LP10 and a end tidal CO2 monitor than the Zoll CCT... I only get to do this pleasure when the CCT is broken! Fortune has it that the service department seems to be fast (or unfortunate depending on how you look at it!) so this does not happen often. > Military and pre hospital providers have struggled with the colour screen in bright sun light !! You can opt for plain screen i believe, but granted doesnt look so cool. > > The only trouble i had with cables was an over zelous member of trumpton (water fairy, Squirter,Drip stand) and a recipricating saw !! doh......... > > Battery life not an issue if you opt for the trickle charge stand, as used in vehicles. > > Heavy yes, but im massive so no dramas there !!! > > Im sure the issues with NIBP and SPO2 have been sorted in the new model M series. > > Cheers > > Dinger > > (In The Sandpit) > > www.extrememedical.co.uk > jamie_h_hersey <herseyjh@...> wrote: > > I don't think my first post went through so I will try this again. > If it is a repeat I am sorry. > > My experience with Zoll monitors has been negative. The CCT model > in particular. If I had to sum it up in a few words I would pick > expensive, heavy, awkward, and unreliable. From phantom pacing > spikes that appear on the EKG, to a useless NIPB for anything under > 100 systolic, to a end tidal CO2 that is quirky, to cables that seem > to break for no reason, to short battery life... I could go on... > > Good points include the color screen and people seem to think it > looks good so your LCF (look cool factor) increases when you are > carrying it around....! (It could also double as exercise equipment > if you are on a remote post... bicep curls maybe?) > > I don't want this to seem like a rant so I have pasted some links to > other forums who are having a similar discussion: > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php? > forum=7 & showtopic=12864 & highlight=Zoll > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 > > http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm? > catid=63 & threadid=2907 > > All I have to say is make sure you really like it and are willing to > put up with these issues before getting a Zoll. A friend of mine, > who just returned from Afghanistan says the military is switching > over to the Zoll. It should be interesting to see how it fairs up > in field conditions. > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Maybe I am just hopelessly old-school, but I think the Lifepak 10 with TCP and hands-off defib is still one of the best machines ever made, and you can get them for a song these days. I am not a fan of all-in-one machines in a remote environment. If the BP, pulse ox or ETCO2 craps out, you have to send the whole thing in for repair. Yeah, the 10 is big and heavy, but it's no monster, and with 3 batts and 2 spares in good condition you can monitor for 4-5 hours. So2 and Co2 monitors are so small these days that having it " built in " to your defib doesnt seem like much of a bonus. Granted, if you are transporting a lot of patients, these new compact all-in-one units are nice....but how many of us are doing a lot of transports? Jim ----- Start Original Message ----- From: Rich Bell <dingermedic@...> Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor > Military and pre hospital providers have struggled with the colour screen in bright sun light !! You can opt for plain screen i believe, but granted doesnt look so cool. > > The only trouble i had with cables was an over zelous member of trumpton (water fairy, Squirter,Drip stand) and a recipricating saw !! doh......... > > Battery life not an issue if you opt for the trickle charge stand, as used in vehicles. > > Heavy yes, but im massive so no dramas there !!! > > Im sure the issues with NIBP and SPO2 have been sorted in the new model M series. > > Cheers > > Dinger > > (In The Sandpit) > > www.extrememedical.co.uk > jamie_h_hersey <herseyjh@...> wrote: > > I don't think my first post went through so I will try this again. > If it is a repeat I am sorry. > > My experience with Zoll monitors has been negative. The CCT model > in particular. If I had to sum it up in a few words I would pick > expensive, heavy, awkward, and unreliable. From phantom pacing > spikes that appear on the EKG, to a useless NIPB for anything under > 100 systolic, to a end tidal CO2 that is quirky, to cables that seem > to break for no reason, to short battery life... I could go on... > > Good points include the color screen and people seem to think it > looks good so your LCF (look cool factor) increases when you are > carrying it around....! (It could also double as exercise equipment > if you are on a remote post... bicep curls maybe?) > > I don't want this to seem like a rant so I have pasted some links to > other forums who are having a similar discussion: > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php? > forum=7 & showtopic=12864 & highlight=Zoll > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 > > http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm? > catid=63 & threadid=2907 > > All I have to say is make sure you really like it and are willing to > put up with these issues before getting a Zoll. A friend of mine, > who just returned from Afghanistan says the military is switching > over to the Zoll. It should be interesting to see how it fairs up > in field conditions. > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Jim: Hopelessly old-school..............Agreed....! Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor > > Maybe I am just hopelessly old-school, but I think the Lifepak 10 with TCP > and hands-off defib is still one of the best machines ever made, and you > can get them for a song these days. > > I am not a fan of all-in-one machines in a remote environment. If the BP, > pulse ox or ETCO2 craps out, you have to send the whole thing in for > repair. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hey Jim, you might be able to pick up a 10 for a song, but try buying 5 batts for a song, they are about 400 a pop, unless you get your batts rebuilt. I do agree that the 10 is a good machine, but compared with new stuff like the pic 50, it is old and sad. The level of monitoring you get these days even without all of the other stuff is far more superior, but only if you can interpret ecg's though, if you cant, then you might aswell get an AED that fits in your back pocket. P. --- H Dawdy <jdawdy@...> wrote: > > Maybe I am just hopelessly old-school, but I think > the Lifepak 10 with TCP and hands-off defib is still > one of the best machines ever made, and you can get > them for a song these days. > > I am not a fan of all-in-one machines in a remote > environment. If the BP, pulse ox or ETCO2 craps > out, you have to send the whole thing in for repair. > > > Yeah, the 10 is big and heavy, but it's no monster, > and with 3 batts and 2 spares in good condition you > can monitor for 4-5 hours. So2 and Co2 monitors are > so small these days that having it " built in " to > your defib doesnt seem like much of a bonus. > Granted, if you are transporting a lot of patients, > these new compact all-in-one units are nice....but > how many of us are doing a lot of transports? > > Jim > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > From: Rich Bell <dingermedic@...> > > Subject: Re: ECG/Defib/Monitor > > > Military and pre hospital providers have struggled > with the colour screen in bright sun light !! You > can opt for plain screen i believe, but granted > doesnt look so cool. > > > > The only trouble i had with cables was an over > zelous member of trumpton (water fairy, > Squirter,Drip stand) and a recipricating saw !! > doh......... > > > > Battery life not an issue if you opt for the > trickle charge stand, as used in vehicles. > > > > Heavy yes, but im massive so no dramas there !!! > > > > Im sure the issues with NIBP and SPO2 have been > sorted in the new model M series. > > > > Cheers > > > > Dinger > > > > (In The Sandpit) > > > > www.extrememedical.co.uk > > jamie_h_hersey <herseyjh@...> wrote: > > > > I don't think my first post went through so I will > try this again. > > If it is a repeat I am sorry. > > > > My experience with Zoll monitors has been > negative. The CCT model > > in particular. If I had to sum it up in a few > words I would pick > > expensive, heavy, awkward, and unreliable. From > phantom pacing > > spikes that appear on the EKG, to a useless NIPB > for anything under > > 100 systolic, to a end tidal CO2 that is quirky, > to cables that seem > > to break for no reason, to short battery life... > I could go on... > > > > Good points include the color screen and people > seem to think it > > looks good so your LCF (look cool factor) > increases when you are > > carrying it around....! (It could also double as > exercise equipment > > if you are on a remote post... bicep curls maybe?) > > > > I don't want this to seem like a rant so I have > pasted some links to > > other forums who are having a similar discussion: > > > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php? > > forum=7 & showtopic=12864 & highlight=Zoll > > > > > http://www.flightweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=8 & showtopic=1367 > > > > http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm? > > catid=63 & threadid=2907 > > > > All I have to say is make sure you really like it > and are willing to > > put up with these issues before getting a Zoll. A > friend of mine, > > who just returned from Afghanistan says the > military is switching > > over to the Zoll. It should be interesting to see > how it fairs up > > in field conditions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > > Editor: Ross Boardman > Editor@... > > > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & > unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > > > Post message: egroups > > > > Please visit our website > http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > > > Regards > > > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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