Re: New Root Canal thread

April 23, 2003

Hello,

I have done a lot of researching regarding dental work--not so much on root

canals, though, as I don't have any. I am still in the midst of having many

problems corrected--amalgams replaced, crowns replaced and re-replaced. The

websites that I have looked at are: www.bioprobe.com www.iaomt.org (this one

has become less accessible since I used it) and check www.mercola.com using his

google search for root canals. There should be plenty of links as I recall. Did

you know there is a test for biocompatiblity for dental materials? I had it

done after replacing all my fillings and crowns. Turned out I had a " not

suitable " material used for the crowns and had to have them re-done. (I did the

test after the replacement and was still having trouble--obviously, the

backwards way of going about things.) Hope there is some help in here for you!

Sonya

Original Message -----

From: mushimushi12003

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:10 PM

Subject: New Root Canal thread

Hi,

I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are free

of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may need

another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal and

told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals were

sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was needed

it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after 1990

they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if a

rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other alternative

is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a bunch

of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me links.

Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03 for

him to access what needs to be done.

Thanks a bunch,

Del

April 24, 2003

Hello Sonya,

Thanks for answering! I am also replacing. So fer have only done

fillings. Next is crowns. No, I have not heard about a test for

biocompatiblity for dental materials. Do you have to have a " special "

dentist to that? Hope I find something about that on those web sites

you gave. Were you having problems are did you just want it done

after all that you had read?

Thanks,

Del

> Hello,

>

> I have done a lot of researching regarding dental work--not so much

on root canals, though, as I don't have any. I am still in the midst

of having many problems corrected--amalgams replaced, crowns replaced

and re-replaced. The websites that I have looked at are:

www.bioprobe.com www.iaomt.org (this one has become less accessible

since I used it) and check www.mercola.com using his google search

for root canals. There should be plenty of links as I recall. Did

you know there is a test for biocompatiblity for dental materials? I

had it done after replacing all my fillings and crowns. Turned out I

had a " not suitable " material used for the crowns and had to have

them re-done. (I did the test after the replacement and was still

having trouble--obviously, the backwards way of going about things.)

Hope there is some help in here for you!

>

> Sonya

>

> Original Message -----

> From: mushimushi12003

>

> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:10 PM

> Subject: New Root Canal thread

>

> Hi,

> I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are

free

> of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may

need

> another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal

and

> told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

were

> sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

needed

> it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after

1990

> they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if

a

> rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

alternative

> is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

bunch

> of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

links.

> Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03

for

> him to access what needs to be done.

>

> Thanks a bunch,

> Del

>

April 24, 2003

I'm back and I didn't find anything about the biocompatiblity for

dental materials except the name " Clifford " . Nothing elde came up.

Please tell me a little more.

Thanks,

Del

-- In , gsd <gsd03@c...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I have done a lot of researching regarding dental work--not so much

on root canals, though, as I don't have any. I am still in the midst

of having many problems corrected--amalgams replaced, crowns replaced

and re-replaced. The websites that I have looked at are:

www.bioprobe.com www.iaomt.org (this one has become less accessible

since I used it) and check www.mercola.com using his google search

for root canals. There should be plenty of links as I recall. Did

you know there is a test for biocompatiblity for dental materials? I

had it done after replacing all my fillings and crowns. Turned out I

had a " not suitable " material used for the crowns and had to have

them re-done. (I did the test after the replacement and was still

having trouble--obviously, the backwards way of going about things.)

Hope there is some help in here for you!

>

> Sonya

>

> Original Message -----

> From: mushimushi12003

>

> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:10 PM

> Subject: New Root Canal thread

>

> Hi,

> I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are

free

> of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may

need

> another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal

and

> told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

were

> sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

needed

> it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after

1990

> they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if

a

> rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

alternative

> is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

bunch

> of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

links.

> Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03

for

> him to access what needs to be done.

>

> Thanks a bunch,

> Del

>

April 24, 2003

Hello,

Yes, Clifford Consulting and Research, www.ccrlab.com is who I went through for

my test. My regular dentist does not use any testing like this, so even though

I knew of this type of testing I did my dental work without it. Big mistake. My

symptoms did not change and seemed to get worse. Six months of this and I

decided to see another dentist (got a referral from IAOMT), all his work is done

after biocompatibility testing. Anyway, I did the test and the materials used

for my crowns were unsuitable for me. So, now I see this new dentist and I am

re-evaluating all my work. So--I guess a " biological " dentist will have this

test, it is a kit given to you--you take it to a lab and have a blood test and

send it in yourself (directions are in there for all this). I would think any

dentist could order it from the lab, the test kit itself is free I think, but to

do the test I paid $225.00--not covered by my insurance. The doctor gets a copy

of the test and the patient does too. It is a very extensive and impressive

report. Root canal materials are included in the testing. Wish I could say

more, but gotta run right now. Feel free to ask more questions and I'll answer

tonight if I'm able. Incidentally, the reason for all my problems stems from

allergies of all sorts--including metals, so I am learning that everything

matters in this area.

Sonya

New Root Canal thread

>

> Hi,

> I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are

free

> of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may

need

> another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal

and

> told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

were

> sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

needed

> it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after

1990

> they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if

a

> rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

alternative

> is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

bunch

> of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

links.

> Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03

for

> him to access what needs to be done.

>

> Thanks a bunch,

> Del

>

April 24, 2003

That was a great help! Thanks. Just one question. Are you now seeing

a biological dentist? The closest one to me was 4 hours away and of

course insurance does not cover. I think I will try to do the test. I

may turn out like you and have do do everything all over again

because I got 3 replaced fillings today! I must say they feel so

right! They are the white composite fillings. Dentist told me that

mercury fillings expand over time and can crack your teeth! That is

exactly what happened to one of my teeth! That's the one I may have

to have a root canal on. I searched on " root canal " gutta percha and

got some (what looks like) good news about root canal. I wish someone

with some knowledge about the " new " root canals would post...

Thanks,

Del

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have done a lot of researching regarding dental work--not so

much

> on root canals, though, as I don't have any. I am still in the

midst

> of having many problems corrected--amalgams replaced, crowns

replaced

> and re-replaced. The websites that I have looked at are:

> www.bioprobe.com www.iaomt.org (this one has become less

accessible

> since I used it) and check www.mercola.com using his google

search

> for root canals. There should be plenty of links as I recall.

Did

> you know there is a test for biocompatiblity for dental

materials? I

> had it done after replacing all my fillings and crowns. Turned

out I

> had a " not suitable " material used for the crowns and had to have

> them re-done. (I did the test after the replacement and was

still

> having trouble--obviously, the backwards way of going about

things.)

> Hope there is some help in here for you!

> >

> > Sonya

> >

> > Original Message -----

> > From: mushimushi12003

> >

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:10 PM

> > Subject: New Root Canal thread

> >

> > Hi,

> > I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier

appointment

> > showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990)

are

> free

> > of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I

may

> need

> > another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root

canal

> and

> > told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root

canals

> were

> > sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod

was

> needed

> > it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time

after

> 1990

> > they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide)

and if

> a

> > rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way

is

> > getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

> alternative

> > is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me

a

> bunch

> > of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

> links.

> > Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-

24-03

> for

> > him to access what needs to be done.

> >

> > Thanks a bunch,

> > Del

> >

April 24, 2003

Hi again,

I do consider my dentist a biological dentist-one who does not work with mercury

and who cares about the person's overall health, with a " natural " approach and

understanding, including how allergies effect a person, especially dental

materials. My regular dentist is down the street, my new dentist I drive close

to an hour. I know gutta percha seems to be the standard filling for root

canals. I don't know what my new dentist would say, I think he would have to

refer me to an endodontist and I would have to check with him. I have read that

biocalex is the new one, or now even newer (I just checked the website) is

biodent. Did you see the mercola article mentioning biocalex? I know I would be

confused about this issue, hopefully your doctor allows questioning and inquiry,

and time to figure out what's best for -you-.

Sonya

New Root Canal thread

> >

> > Hi,

> > I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier

appointment

> > showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990)

are

> free

> > of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I

may

> need

> > another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root

canal

> and

> > told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root

canals

> were

> > sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod

was

> needed

> > it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time

after

> 1990

> > they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide)

and if

> a

> > rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way

is

> > getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

> alternative

> > is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me

a

> bunch

> > of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

> links.

> > Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-

24-03

> for

> > him to access what needs to be done.

> >

> > Thanks a bunch,

> > Del

> >

April 24, 2003

> I wish someone

> with some knowledge about the " new " root canals would post...

>

Del,

I don't have knowledge of the new root canals, or of the old root

canals, for that matter!

However, this thread was the impetus for me trying to find a new

dentist in the Wash DC area.

I found this site: www.nihadc.com This is for a holistic medical

and dental practice in DC.

If you click on staff, you can then click on the individual names to

find out which are dentists (they are 3-4 of them). There are no

mercury fillings allowed, and I pretty sure one mentioned something

about the problems w/root canals. However, they each have their email

address listed. They might be a great source for finding out about

the new root canals, or for helping you find someone in your area.

April 24, 2003

> The other alternative is an implant. What do you guys say to that?

> Del

Is a bridge an option for you instead of a root canal or implant?

I'm having a bridge done instead of a root canal. (I already have

one infected root canal - not taking a change on another.) Implants

are a lengthy, involved process. I was reading a brochure on it at

the oral surgeon's office a few weeks ago. I can't even imagine

having to consider that procedure. I'd be curious to know how your

appointment went today. I'm going through all of this stuff now, so

it's interesting to hear what others are experiencing.

April 25, 2003

Hi,

I apologize if someone else has made this point...

Gutta percha has been used for close to a century now. It was the

dominant material used when Price made his experiments. Your dentist

is probably examining the root canal for bacteria... the chance is

about nil that the dentin is free of bacteria. Your dentist may not

even know bacteria inhabit the dentin (or maybe he does know), but

Meinig has electron microscope pictures to prove it.

Not everyone develops a focal infection from root canals, but if your

immune system is compromised in any way whatseover it is not worth

the risk. If you are in great health, and neither you nor anyone in

your family history have problems with any degenerative diseases or

immune system problems, it might be worth it to get the root canal,

since you can always have it removed later in life if you believe

some stressor has caused your immune system to succumb to it.

However, for the majority of people, root canals are highly

inadvisable. I would not trust any dentist claiming your root

canaled tooth is bacteria free. He is probably doing a routine check

for the lateral canals that sometimes get infected after root canals.

Chris

> Hi,

> I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are

free

> of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may need

> another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal

and

> told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

were

> sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

needed

> it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after

1990

> they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if a

> rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

alternative

> is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

bunch

> of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me links.

> Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03

for

> him to access what needs to be done.

>

> Thanks a bunch,

> Del

April 25, 2003

I can stop sweating now, I don't need a root canal! Instead I now

have a temp filling that will get a crown in the next 2 weeks.

Wouldn't you know it, I am in a waiting period for insurance to cover

crowns!

Acturally, a bridge would not have been an option in this case. One

thing that has to be done in prep for a bridge is they have to grind

down the teeth on either side of the space and I don't want to do

that to 2 good teeth. I would rather have the implant. However, I

have not read up on implants! My sister-in-law has a few of them by

this dentist. He is a new dentist for me but she has been going to

him for 20 years. She has very bad, soft teeth and for years had

severe pain. Now she is free of pain with almost all of her teeth as

implants!

Back to root canals, this dentist has almost talked me into root

canals being okay now if you use the right materials.

, Good luck with your work. I like hearing also what others

are doing.

Thanks,

Del

> > The other alternative is an implant. What do you guys say to

that?

>

> > Del

>

> Is a bridge an option for you instead of a root canal or implant?

> I'm having a bridge done instead of a root canal. (I already have

> one infected root canal - not taking a change on another.)

Implants

> are a lengthy, involved process. I was reading a brochure on it at

> the oral surgeon's office a few weeks ago. I can't even imagine

> having to consider that procedure. I'd be curious to know how your

> appointment went today. I'm going through all of this stuff now,

so

> it's interesting to hear what others are experiencing.

>

April 25, 2003

Thanks for answering

You have made some interesting points that no one else has made!

I have 3 root canals that I have had for over 15 years. This dentist

is examining them by x-ray and his looking at the teeth. From the x-

ray everything looks fine and he says that is about 98% proof that

all is okay but what he sees when he is looking in my mouth tells him

100% that no bacteria is present (so he says). The x-ray shows that a

stainless steel rod was put in these teeth. They cannot be reversed

they would have to be extracted. So he says to leave them along until

they are a problem. 2 of these teeth are on the bottom right and are

part of a bridge. I have had a bridge there for 40 years. The last

time it was put on, another dentist put the stainless steel rods in

it!

I am not sure if these root canals are the reason for any problems

that I have. I am not totally free of degenerative disease. Don't

know about immune disease. I don't visit a doctor on a regular basis

and I take no medications.

Can you give me a link to pictures that Meinig has of bacteria in the

dentin?

I have not read Price's book. Only read about him through WAPF so I

appreciate your telling me that Gutta percha was the dominant

material used by him. How do I prove one way or another if there is

bacteria or would you just assume that it is and have them extracted?

I await your answer,

Thanks,

Del

> > Hi,

> > I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> > showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990) are

> free

> > of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may

need

> > another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root canal

> and

> > told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

> were

> > sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

> needed

> > it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time after

> 1990

> > they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and if

a

> > rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> > getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

> alternative

> > is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

> bunch

> > of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

links.

> > Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-03

> for

> > him to access what needs to be done.

> >

> > Thanks a bunch,

> > Del

April 25, 2003

Del,

If you were to have your root canals extracted, make sure they are

aware of the extraction protocol outlined by Price/Meinig in which

the periodontal ligament is removed and the unhealthy bone underneath

the tooth is removed down to the healthy bone with a slow-speed

drill. I would opt to read Meinig's book on Price's reasearch,

rather than the two-volume 1200 page book that Price wrote on root

canals.

As far as I know, I don't think Meinig's pictures are online. They

are in his book, which you can get at www.price-pottenger.org (they

ship it faster than Amazon.)

If you've developed any kind of degenerative diseases or chronic

health problems *after* you had your root canals, they are a likely

candidate. Unfortunately, the only way, as far as I know, to have

your teeth analyzed for pathogenic bacteria/toxins from the dentin is

to have them taken out and analyzed. There is at least one lab that

specializes in this. Mercola mentioned some supposed test kit, but

the email link to the researcher is dead.

If you have no chronic problems that you *didn't* have before your

root canals, I would not worry about them right now. It's not worth

the stress-- that'll just cause more problems And there are

serious benefits to having your natural teeth in terms of chewing

food, etc.

Problems do not have to occur immediately after root canal to be

caused. Often they take a certain stressor to suppress the immmune

system which then loses its ability to hold back the infection and it

can leave the tooth.

Good luck. If you have any more specific question please write me a

personal email as I am headed for a very busy weekend and will likely

miss replies to this on the list. (you can just cc the email to my

address if you want)

Chris

> > > Hi,

> > > I went to the dentist today. X-rays from an earlier appointment

> > > showed that all 3 of my root canals (I got them before 1990)

are

> > free

> > > of bacteria! Can he tell 100% with an x-ray? Now he says I may

> need

> > > another root canal. I told him that I did not want the root

canal

> > and

> > > told him why. His answer was this : Before 1990 all root canals

> > were

> > > sealed with Sargenti Paste(a form of arsenic) and if a rod was

> > needed

> > > it was stainless steel. Mine are SS. At some point in time

after

> > 1990

> > > they started using gutta percha (a placticized zinc oxide) and

if

> a

> > > rod is needed it would be titanium. He says that the new way is

> > > getting good results with no bacteria forming. The other

> > alternative

> > > is an implant. What do you guys say to that? Is he feeding me a

> > bunch

> > > of bull! Does anyone have any experience with this? Send me

> links.

> > > Please answer right away if you can as I go back tomorrow 4-24-

03

> > for

> > > him to access what needs to be done.

> > >

> > > Thanks a bunch,

> > > Del

April 25, 2003

Hello,

Another link on the root canal thread: www.bioray2000.com the link to heavy

metals looks very helpful. The DAMS link is one I called today to get an info

packet and current newsletter.