Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

July 17, 2012

Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that Rose got

me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make kefir

from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that are

cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free from

any human oral bacteria. LOL

Al

Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around

us

LMAO!!! Ya...I'm new here and not making kefir, but was interested in what

this was all about as I make my own yogurt. I know who not to get from at

least LOL

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Rose <rose4843@...> wrote:

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> LOL after I sent that email off saying I agree with you Al I thought of

> this and said uh I should have said this.

> Don't think none of us on here will be asking to buy any of your grains.

> lol

>

> Rose

>

> --

Cindi

Rabies Challenge Fund :: www.rabieschallengefund.org

Doggie Duds for a Cause :: http://doggieduds4acause.blogspot.com/

July 17, 2012

Rose,

Are you mixing me up with ?

Al

Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

LOL after I sent that email off saying I agree with you Al I thought of

this and said uh I should have said this.

Don't think none of us on here will be asking to buy any of your grains. lol

Rose

July 17, 2012

Of course. There are no bacteria, period. But with no bacteria whatsoever,

there is no competition for the kefir grains. I have found that my kefir grows

better in pasteurized milk, but that idea is up for discussion.

The thinking is that the kefir that we have has been adapted to pasteurized milk

for 10,000 kefir generations. That is plenty of time to be adapted to

pasteurized milk.

And, I hate to be supporting the pasteurized milk producers, but I have to be

able to afford to feed my family.

From: chuckgary2000@...

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:35:02 -0700

Subject: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

There are no good bacteria either. The whole point of drinking it raw

C (ATL Ga.)

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From: B <rogerbird2@...>

Marilyn Kefirlady's Forum < >

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:03 AM

Subject: RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

There is no bad bacteria in pasteurized milk. That is the whole point of

pasteurization.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:28:19 -0400

Subject: RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

Actually, it would be the other way around. The kefir grains would be

overwhelmed by the bad bacteria in the pasturized milk. Maybe the kefir was

just extremely potent.

Al

Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

>

July 17, 2012

Al, I was both desperate and curious. I will continue the experiment by putting

out milk for days without any plaque in it.

Don't you ever smell like kefir. Even my skin sometimes smells like kefir.

I can't afford raw milk. I tried it and it was just too much for us. My wife

gave me a hard time for paying for " milk " at about $10.00 per gallon, not

counting transportation. We can get pasteurized milk at Costco for less than

$2.00 per gallon.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:17:26 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around

us

Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that

Rose got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make

kefir from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that

are cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free

from any human oral bacteria. LOL

Al

July 17, 2012

,

I think you are revealing too much about your personal habits for this

crowd. Remember, there are ladies present.

Martha

In a message dated 7/17/2012 2:45:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rogerbird2@... writes:

Al, I was both desperate and curious. I will continue the experiment by

putting out milk for days without any plaque in it.

Don't you ever smell like kefir. Even my skin sometimes smells like kefir.

I can't afford raw milk. I tried it and it was just too much for us. My

wife gave me a hard time for paying for " milk " at about $10.00 per gallon,

not counting transportation. We can get pasteurized milk at Costco for

less than $2.00 per gallon.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:17:26 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

around us

Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that

Rose got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to

make kefir from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy

grains that are cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk

that is free from any human oral bacteria. LOL

Al

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July 17, 2012

Please don't offer any grains to share ROTFL

Kari

......Warning: Extreme grossness ahead. Those with weak tummies like my wife

should not continue reading:

I have been a kefir drinker for almost 1.5 years. I had been drinking 5

Or so cups of kefir every day. During this time I felt and believed

And wanted the microbes to be invading my entire body and not just my

Gut. I wanted their assistance and believed that we could be good

Friends.

One day I decided to stop doing kefir altogether just to see what would

July 17, 2012

quit debatable as kefir has been in use in most part of the world from the

begining of time. Pasteurization just came about in the 19th century. To each is

own I guess if you prefer pasteurized milk toï¿½raw milk soley because of price

thenï¿½I can't argue with you on that. I will have to try in one day and see how

it comes out.

ï¿½

Atlantaï¿½

- trim these posts; you make work for me

thanks,

Marilyn

July 17, 2012

It's at the bottom. Take a look before you complain.

-

Cindi

Rabies Challenge Fund :: www.rabieschallengefund.org

On Jul 17, 2012, at 2:17 PM, ouched63188@... wrote:

> Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that Rose

got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make kefir

from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that are

cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free from

any human oral bacteria. LOL

>

> Al

> Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

around us

>

> LMAO!!! Ya...I'm new here and not making kefir, but was interested in what

>

> this was all about as I make my own yogurt. I know who not to get from at

>

> least LOL

>

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Rose <rose4843@...> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > LOL after I sent that email off saying I agree with you Al I thought of

>

> > this and said uh I should have said this.

>

> > Don't think none of us on here will be asking to buy any of your grains.

>

> > lol

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Rose

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> Cindi

>

> Rabies Challenge Fund :: www.rabieschallengefund.org

>

> Doggie Duds for a Cause :: http://doggieduds4acause.blogspot.com/

>

July 17, 2012

Its more expensive to use pasteurized milk and non-organic/GMO food...you have

more illness and disease and pay for a lot more doctor visits...therefore, its

cheaper to go with the raw organic and organic foods to avoid the doctor down

the road.

Al

Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around

us

>

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>

July 17, 2012

That cheap pasteurized milk at costco is full of antibiotics, hormones,

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and GMO...saving money now means big, big

doctor bills down the road from disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases. And

thatmilk will destroy your gut flora because of the antibiotics in it. Look it

up. For every big of organic and clean food you eat, it pays you back ten fold

in better health.

Al

Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

around us

>

> Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that

Rose got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make

kefir from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that

are cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free

from any human oral bacteria. LOL

>

>Al

>

July 17, 2012

No Al I was just saying after I sent that other email......saying that I agree

WITH you Al. when you said it was disgusting......lol I had thought to say the

other comment about not wanting any of his grains. Joking with .

Rose

July 17, 2012

AL, not YOUR grains, grains......since he was picking them out of his

teeth.

No I am constantly cutting and pasting info you put on here Al about health. I

was agreeing with you about what said, and you said that was disgusting

and I was agreeing with you that is was. Was joking with about none of

us would want any of his grains.

Rose

July 17, 2012

I don't know why I cook them Al. I just like them better I guess. I don't like

swallowing balls in my kefir when I am drinking it. I guess I could MASH them up

though huh? I didn't even think about killing the nutrients. Thanks for making

me think of that because I hadn't even thought about it. DUH not myself these

days....... so the old brains not working right.

Rose

July 17, 2012

You are probably right, Al. But I go on a month-by-month basis. If I can't

make the bills each month, then we become homeless.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:58:53 -0400

Subject: RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

Its more expensive to use pasteurized milk and non-organic/GMO food...you

have more illness and disease and pay for a lot more doctor visits...therefore,

its cheaper to go with the raw organic and organic foods to avoid the doctor

down the road.

Al

July 17, 2012

So, when I look this up I will find some kind of scientific study, or is this

just a tendency or what someone said?

If these factory foods are that bad, and I avoid factory foods to a very large

extent, then we would be seeing people drop dead left and right, not the mere

400,000 per year.

I figure that the kefir grains are so strong and beneficial that all these bad

things that you mention are being more than compensated for.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:03:31 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around

us

That cheap pasteurized milk at costco is full of antibiotics, hormones,

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and GMO...saving money now means big, big

doctor bills down the road from disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases. And

thatmilk will destroy your gut flora because of the antibiotics in it. Look it

up. For every big of organic and clean food you eat, it pays you back ten fold

in better health.

Al

July 17, 2012

Got you! Was confused but after rereading and had already deleted the other

email so didn't know you were referring to . My apologies for

misunderstanding your comment.

Al

Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

AL, not YOUR grains, grains......since he was picking them out of

his teeth.

No I am constantly cutting and pasting info you put on here Al about health. I

was agreeing with you about what said, and you said that was disgusting

and I was agreeing with you that is was. Was joking with about none of

us would want any of his grains.

Rose

July 17, 2012

Eating organic, nutritionally dense foods means you eat less. Also, processed

foods and convenience foods cost a lot more than cooking from scratch.

Al

RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

>

> Its more expensive to use pasteurized milk and non-organic/GMO food...you

have more illness and disease and pay for a lot more doctor visits...therefore,

its cheaper to go with the raw organic and organic foods to avoid the doctor

down the road.

>

>Al

>

July 17, 2012

Al,

It may come as a surprise to you but I am a grown up person and I am perfectly

capable of making my own decisions.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:46:38 -0400

Subject: RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

Eating organic, nutritionally dense foods means you eat less. Also,

processed foods and convenience foods cost a lot more than cooking from scratch.

Al

RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

>

> Its more expensive to use pasteurized milk and non-organic/GMO food...you

have more illness and disease and pay for a lot more doctor visits...therefore,

its cheaper to go with the raw organic and organic foods to avoid the doctor

down the road.

>

>Al

>

July 17, 2012

Al, I think youâ€™ve made your point.

Raw milk isnâ€™t available to everyone. We didnâ€™t even use milk or dairy

products for a long time. When I learned about kefir, I started using milk

again, but it is pasteurized milk from the grocery store. It is extremely

impractical for me to get raw milk. I believe that kefir cultured pasteurized

milk is good. But I am wondering, if you would advise against dairy if a person

is not able for whatever reason to obtain raw milk? Would you say stop taking

kefir if you canâ€™t make it from raw?

From: ouched63188@...

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:03 PM

Subject: RE: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around

us

That cheap pasteurized milk at costco is full of antibiotics, hormones,

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and GMO...saving money now means big, big

doctor bills down the road from disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases. And

thatmilk will destroy your gut flora because of the antibiotics in it. Look it

up. For every big of organic and clean food you eat, it pays you back ten fold

in better health.

Al

Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

around us

>

> Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that Rose

got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make kefir

from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that are

cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free from

any human oral bacteria. LOL

>

>Al

>

July 18, 2012

Hi Rose,

Try using a blender and it will break them up really small.

Contrary to popular belief, losing brain function as you age is NOT NORMAL for

anyone. It's causes are many (nutritional deficiencies, toxin buildup in the

body, EMF, etc), but can be reversed if you know how to do it.

I have had the same problem with brain fog. Have you done any detoxing? There

are so many different reasons for brain fog. Gluten intolerance has been known

to cause brain fog. There are lots and lots of articles on brain fog on

www.naturalnews.com (you can search for any health condition and the natural

remedies for them on there). Just put brain fog in the search box towards the

upper right. Try to only use articles that have been written within the last

2-3 years and avoid articles that are connected to the pharmacutical companies.

Here is just one article about gluten.

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Eliminating gluten from the diet can relieve brain fog

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Al

Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

I don't know why I cook them Al. I just like them better I guess. I don't

like swallowing balls in my kefir when I am drinking it. I guess I could MASH

them up though huh? I didn't even think about killing the nutrients. Thanks for

making me think of that because I hadn't even thought about it. DUH not myself

these days....... so the old brains not working right.

Rose

July 18, 2012

There are lots and lots of people dying from the food they eat, way more than

400,000 per year. You don't hear " they died from the food they ate " , but you

will hear of them dying from all kinds of weird diseases and cancers. Have you

ever took an inventory of all the people that you know that are perfectly

healthy without one single health problem that eat

processed/non-organic/GMO/pesticide/herbicide/fungicide laden foods? If they

are taking any medications for any health problems, they are not healthy. Lack

of symptoms in the presence of drugs is NOT health.

>>I figure that the kefir grains are so strong and beneficial that all these bad

things that you mention are being more than compensated for.<<

That is a VERY inaccurate statement! It helps, but it will NEVER, EVER replace

clean food and the benefits of a healthy diet and lifestyle, including detoxing.

Al

RE: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

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>So, when I look this up I will find some kind of scientific study, or is this

just a tendency or what someone said?

>

>If these factory foods are that bad, and I avoid factory foods to a very large

extent, then we would be seeing people drop dead left and right, not the mere

400,000 per year.

>

>I figure that the kefir grains are so strong and beneficial that all these bad

things that you mention are being more than compensated for.

>

July 18, 2012

Yes you are and you, and your family, will suffer the consequences of your

choices.

Al

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July 18, 2012

I would say it's best with raw, but if you can't get raw, use the pasturized to

make kefir. I do not think people should consume pasturized dairy that is not

fermented.

Al

Re: Re: The cloud of beneficial microbes all

around us

>

> Whatever your name is because your post was not signed. I believe that Rose

got me mixed up with . I'm not digging in my teeth and trying to make kefir

from the junk off my teeth. I have wonderful strong healthy grains that are

cultured in organic grass fed grass finished Jersey cows milk that is free from

any human oral bacteria. LOL

>

>Al

>

July 18, 2012

There is no antibiotics in store milk. Otherwise, the kefir grains wouldn't

work in it. The antibiotic word always seems to get into the line up of

negative words describing store milk.

Marilyn

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM, <ouched63188@...> wrote:

> That cheap pasteurized milk at costco is full of antibiotics, hormones,

> pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and GMO...saving money now means big,

> big doctor bills down the road from disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases.

> And thatmilk will destroy your gut flora because of the antibiotics in it.

> Look it up. For every big of organic and clean food you eat, it pays you

> back ten fold in better health.

>

> Al

>

July 18, 2012

Al,

I have put you on my shun list. This means that I do not open your emails. I

do not read your emails. And I do not respond to your emails.

From: ouched63188@...

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:27:19 -0400

Subject: RE: The cloud of beneficial microbes all around us

Yes you are and you, and your family, will suffer the consequences of your

choices.

Al

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