Re: Re: Water Kefir Grains Revived

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I don't know that answer but I do know this. I put azomite with my water kefir once and it didn't do diddly squat plus it never dissolved so I had quite a time separating the grains of azomite from the water grains. From then on whenever I experiment with minerals I use liquid minerals.

That said, the minerals in well water are not organic but water grains do wonderful on well water, much better than on purified water.I don't know how your question applies to milk grains because of the specific diet of milk kefir grains, namely, milk. How would you get inorganic minerals in there to test it?

MarilynOn 10/12/06, wrote:

Can Kefir grains metabolize inorganic minerals to an organic form,meaning to have a carbon molecule. We can only use organic minerals inour bodies. Plants take up inorganic minerals attach carbon to themmaking them organic. We expel the carbon and a plant recycles it yet

again. I am just asking because I do not know the chemistry of kefirgrains. ASH

[Guest guest]

Hi ,We are talking about milk grains that use milk. You said you would use ocean water. So are you saying you would dilute the milk with ocean water to get ocean minerals in there? If the salt is not removed you might have a problem. And I don't think the kefir grains will like a watered down diet, even if it is full of minerals. Or are you removing the salt and concentrating the ocean water so you don't have to dilute the milk that much? I can see using ocean water for water grains, especially if you can remove the salt. But milk grains...?

MarilynOn 10/13/06, S. Hoaglund <mrhoagie@...> wrote:

Happy Day Marilyn and all, That's simple. I would use ocean water that was collected many milesoffshore and tested for contaminants. > I don't know how your question applies to milk grains because of the> specific diet of milk kefir grains, namely, milk. How would you get

> inorganic minerals in there to test it?>> Marilyn

[Guest guest]

azomite ==

Sounds interesting, but what is it and where do we get it?

Pat in CA

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Well that's interesting. You could put a teaspoon of ocean water with your milk kefir grains or your water grains solution and see a difference in growth probably for sure. That kind of observation is always good enough for me. I'm a low tech kind of person. What I say next belongs on the off topic chat group but since we are talking about lab results...

I used azomite in my garden this year. For the first time I did not have blossom end rot on the first few tomatoes I got, I got beautiful big cauliflowers for the first time ever in my life, there were no cabbage butterfly larvae on my broccoli, this is another first, both my tomato plants and pepper plants were not affected by the light frost we had recently, so they are more frost tolerant this year than previous years. In a few months I'll know how many antioxidants are present in the unripe fruit I picked depending on how quickly the peppers and tomatoes spoil or not in storage. I anticipate being able to eat tomatoes from my garden in January. I don't need a lab report to know the plants took up more minerals and that azomite was the cause of such good results.

Same with kefir grains. If they pick up on their growth rate, you are doing something they like.I started my germanium experiment today with my water grains. We shall soon see if this mineral makes a difference.

MarilynOn 10/14/06, S. Hoaglund <mrhoagie@...> wrote:

The sea water must be diluted so that a TDS (total dissolved solids)meter would detect around 800ppm for a start. Less or more ppm may betolerated...experimentation id needed. Of that solution you would only

have to add 1 drop to make a change. Now mind you, I have not donethis with any kefir grains yet. I have had several people use oceanon crops, gardens, pasture grass. On initial planting with say a drill planter followed by a liquid

fertilizer...only a drop or two on the seed is needed for measurableimprovements in the measurable nutrient levels of produce or grass orwhatever the crop is. Keep in mind that an open pollinated seed will

take up many more minerals than a hydrid seed designed for growth onNPK fertilizers. Salt is not an issue especially when the water is diluted. This isinorganic minerals needing bacteria for breakdown so a plant can take

it in. Predominately the bacteria in kefir is of the GenusLactobacillus. There are hundreds of bacteria, some of which may beneed for this to work in kefir that do not exist, so I do not know howit would pan out.

If I were to try this I would need to locate a lab that could testfor mineral content with a control and and a test batch for severalgenerations to verify success or failure. You could take it further

and try to introduce bacteria of the genus bifidobacterium which Ibelieve to be a very important strain for various reasons and see if amineral uptake or change in growth is observable. ASH