Palpitations

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Hi Kerry:

Thx for your response.

Many life issues--some just cannot be resolved-as it were. Started therapy at

23--now almost 50. I have tried syntroid-levothyroxin. Symptoms were not

addressed. As for Cortef or T4 only-not tried yet. What can one expect from

these?

I have read that baby girls who were fed soy formula have a very difficult time

in addressing later thyroid issues because they were ingesting such huge amounts

of the estrogen boosting food at a time when the body grows at the most rapid

rate. Personally, I'm afraid my situation is very sad and very complex. Yet,

aside from the mind-body connection, I really can't let go of the belief that

there is a possible " sweet spot " for me. I'm like that, though. An insatiable

idealist. I hope that for all who suffer.

It's so strange, though, my heart palps did not start until after I started

taking synthroid in '99. And I was dx with hypo when I was 17-in 1974. My

provider mentioned something about perimenopause and heart palps. She said that

they do go away after a while. Gee, thx a lot.

I appreciate your help.

Steph SJO :0)

--------- Re: Palpitations

Boy, do I hear that?! This sounds like me, also. It is a great

mystery... For me, I found as soon as I increased the armour, just a

little, the palp episodes increased. My cardiologist finds no problems

either. A good night sleep would be such a blessing... Also, T3 causes a

dramatic increase in the palp episodes for me. I've been told that your

body does eventually adjust, but, sorry to say, I've had palps since the

year 2000.

It's been about that long since I've had an uninterrupted night sleep.

Help is very much appreciated!!

SJO :0)

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From: " and Mark " <koplyn@...>

Hi everyone,

I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least

once during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to

bed, and try to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while.

It's not like I a ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate,

so what is it? My cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart,

and I've had all possible tests in that department. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

there IS a sweet spot, REALLY.

Investigate iodine http://www.optimox.com and absolutely get adrenal

support, which means cortisol and DHEA. Then you can take enough Armour.

I have a very sad life story as well, much unnecessary suffering, still

going on with family members.

Read Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD, a wonderful book.

Gracia

> Hi Kerry:

> Thx for your response.

> Many life issues--some just cannot be resolved-as it were. Started therapy

> at 23--now almost 50. I have tried syntroid-levothyroxin. Symptoms were

> not addressed. As for Cortef or T4 only-not tried yet. What can one expect

> from these?

> I have read that baby girls who were fed soy formula have a very difficult

> time in addressing later thyroid issues because they were ingesting such

> huge amounts of the estrogen boosting food at a time when the body grows

> at the most rapid rate. Personally, I'm afraid my situation is very sad

> and very complex. Yet, aside from the mind-body connection, I really can't

> let go of the belief that there is a possible " sweet spot " for me. I'm

> like that, though. An insatiable idealist. I hope that for all who suffer.

> It's so strange, though, my heart palps did not start until after I

> started taking synthroid in '99. And I was dx with hypo when I was 17-in

> 1974. My provider mentioned something about perimenopause and heart palps.

> She said that they do go away after a while. Gee, thx a lot.

> I appreciate your help.

> Steph SJO :0)

>

>

>

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Kerry, I don't think I have any major " lifestyle issues " , other than maybe not

getting enough sleep, and having had two recent surgeries. I eat very healthy

foods, I exercise plenty, etc. I just bought some Isocort, will try that. I also

bought some HGH, it came in the mail today, let's see what that'll do. I'll keep

you posted.

Re: Palpitations

Boy, do I hear that?! This sounds like me, also. It is a great

mystery... For me, I found as soon as I increased the armour, just a

little, the palp episodes increased. My cardiologist finds no problems

either. A good night sleep would be such a blessing... Also, T3 causes a

dramatic increase in the palp episodes for me. I've been told that your

body does eventually adjust, but, sorry to say, I've had palps since the

year 2000.

It's been about that long since I've had an uninterrupted night sleep.

Help is very much appreciated!!

SJO :0)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " and Mark " <koplyn@...>

Hi everyone,

I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least

once during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to

bed, and try to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while.

It's not like I a ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate,

so what is it? My cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart,

and I've had all possible tests in that department. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Steph SJO,

I'll start reducing the Armour to 90 mg for a while, (from 120) to see if the

palps decrease. I'll keep you posted.

Re: Palpitations

Boy, do I hear that?! This sounds like me, also. It is a great mystery...

For me, I found as soon as I increased the armour, just a little, the palp

episodes increased. My cardiologist finds no problems either. A good night sleep

would be such a blessing... Also, T3 causes a dramatic increase in the palp

episodes for me. I've been told that your body does eventually adjust, but,

sorry to say, I've had palps since the year 2000.

It's been about that long since I've had an uninterrupted night sleep. Help

is very much appreciated!!

SJO :0)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " and Mark " <koplyn@...>

Hi everyone,

I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least once

during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to bed, and try

to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while. It's not like I a

ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate, so what is it? My

cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart, and I've had all possible

tests in that department. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Puneet,

I don't know what my Free T4 and Free T3 levels are. Last time I went to my

endo, I asked if I could have the Free T3 checked, but he said that " wasn't

necessary, or needed " , or something like that. He's a total jerk. I'll never go

back to him. He keeps telling me to quit Armour, and start Synthroid. Yeah,

right..... Anyway, I'm soon leaving this shitty town, Amarillo, TX, and moving

to Michigan, and will have to find new doctors, in every field, when I get

there. Anyone know any good doctors in or around Traverse City, Michigan?

Re: Palpitations

What are your Free T3 and Free T4 levels?

You could be going hyper on the current dose of thyroxine..

Another reason could be adrenal related..

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Hi everyone,

I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least once

during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to bed, and

try to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while. It's not like I

a ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate, so what is it? My

cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart, and I've had all possible

tests in that department. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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you bought HGH? Is it injectable or is it a precurser of HGH, supposed to

raise HGH levels?

Gracia

> Kerry, I don't think I have any major " lifestyle issues " , other than maybe

> not getting enough sleep, and having had two recent surgeries. I eat very

> healthy foods, I exercise plenty, etc. I just bought some Isocort, will

> try that. I also bought some HGH, it came in the mail today, let's see

> what that'll do. I'll keep you posted.

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It's an oral spray. Money back guarantee. I'll try it. I'll keep you posted.

Re: Palpitations

you bought HGH? Is it injectable or is it a precurser of HGH, supposed to

raise HGH levels?

Gracia

> Kerry, I don't think I have any major " lifestyle issues " , other than maybe

> not getting enough sleep, and having had two recent surgeries. I eat very

> healthy foods, I exercise plenty, etc. I just bought some Isocort, will

> try that. I also bought some HGH, it came in the mail today, let's see

> what that'll do. I'll keep you posted.

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I agree with Gracia and Kerry, palps are probably adrenal in origin. Before

thyroid treatment, bending to put cream on my legs, or put tights on, on

raising my upper body back up, there was dizziness and a thumping heart rate

just from that small activity. Also at night I used to be kept awake, with

hearing my heartbeat through my ear against my pillow.

Val

Palpitations

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

> remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least

> once during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to

> bed, and try to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while.

> It's not like I a ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate,

> so what is it? My cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart,

> and I've had all possible tests in that department. Any suggestions?

> Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is Cortef? Where do you get it?

Palpitations

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

> remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least

> once during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to

> bed, and try to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while.

> It's not like I a ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate,

> so what is it? My cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart,

> and I've had all possible tests in that department. Any suggestions?

> Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

Please do keep me posted--and thank you!

Steph :0)

--------- Re: Palpitations

Boy, do I hear that?! This sounds like me, also. It is a great mystery...

For me, I found as soon as I increased the armour, just a little, the palp

episodes increased. My cardiologist finds no problems either. A good night sleep

would be such a blessing... Also, T3 causes a dramatic increase in the palp

episodes for me. I've been told that your body does eventually adjust, but,

sorry to say, I've had palps since the year 2000.

It's been about that long since I've had an uninterrupted night sleep. Help

is very much appreciated!!

SJO :0)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " and Mark " <koplyn@...>

Hi everyone,

I've heard some of you talk about these heart palpitations, but can't

remember if it's a symptom of hypo or hyper. I usually wake up at least once

during the night to go to the bathroom, and then when I get back to bed, and try

to get back to sleep, I get these palpitations for a while. It's not like I a

ran a half marathon to cause my increased heart rate, so what is it? My

cardiologist can't find anything wrong with my heart, and I've had all possible

tests in that department. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Gracia

I need to find a doctor that will work with me. Both of my doctors refuse

and I mean refuse to take me off synthroid and try armour. Can anyone help

me

locate a doctor in Illinois that is a good listener as I have been on

Synthroid for eight years and can't lose weight, leg cramps, breathing

issues....so

is Synthroid working?

Thank you

Marcia

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Hi,

what time are you taking your meds and what time are you having

breakfast and other meals? (I do have a reason for asking)

Kerry

Palpitations

I'm still not sure (too few answers to my post here) whether or not to

take add in the rest of my Cytomel. Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my

100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers and quartered the Cytomel

and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't know whether to

go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps. tonite 100

beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be that)

Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative

antibody test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12

l/2 mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or

something?

Tks for any advice

A

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Many drugs have side effects. I think you should ask your doctor about meds.

Tell him about your heart. Never up your meds without asking your doctor. Keep

Well, Dauphine999

Anonymous <mslatrobe@...> wrote: I'm still not sure (too few

answers to my post here) whether or not to take add in the rest of my Cytomel.

Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my 100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers

and quartered the Cytomel and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't

know whether to go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps.

tonite 100 beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be

that) Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m. and don't

eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative antibody

test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12 l/2

mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or something?

Tks for any advice

A

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Hi Kerry Ann

As I indicate below, I take all my thyroid meds early A.M. (they are by my

bedside) and don't eat for several hourse (4 or 5) after taking them. Also

noted below is yesterday I took at 7:30 a.m. and palps of 100bpm started about

12:35 after mdnight. Palps are several times a week now- in late evening.

I eat and take my other meds (Bpressure and antihistamine) 4 to 5 hours after

thyroid meds. Take my ferritin after my dinner in the evening.

Does the drop in TSH and T4 after intro-ing Cytomel mean anything bad?

Again, I don't know whether to add last quarter tab Cytomel.

Oh and P.S. I had palps all the time before starting the Cytomel.

Thanks

A

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi,

what time are you taking your meds and what time are you having

breakfast and other meals? (I do have a reason for asking)

Kerry

Palpitations

I'm still not sure (too few answers to my post here) whether or not to

take add in the rest of my Cytomel. Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my

100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers and quartered the Cytomel

and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't know whether to

go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps. tonite 100

beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be that)

Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative

antibody test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12

l/2 mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or

something?

Tks for any advice

A

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Anonymous,

You wrote:

> ... Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

> and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them....

That is not the best timing strategy for taking Cytomel. It doesn't stay

in the body that long, so your T3 levels end up fluctuating too much.

About 3/4ths of what you take in the morning is gone by the time you are

having your palpitations. I would suggest you split your total Cytomel

dosage in half and take half in the morning and half about 12 hours

later. Or, if the fractions are too difficult, take a 1/2 pill in the

morning and 1/4 in the evening, or vice versa, or switch. Just don't

take it all at once.

Also, one hour of fasting after the pills is sufficient wait before

eating, except for calcium and iron.

Chuck

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Hi,

The reason I asked is that if you are not eating anything till noon?

(is this true) then your palps could be die to low blood sugar or low

adrenals which are also made worse by low blood sugar. Not eating

breakfast is a bad idea with hypoT.

K

Palpitations

I'm still not sure (too few answers to my post here) whether or not to

take add in the rest of my Cytomel. Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my

100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers and quartered the Cytomel

and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't know whether to

go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps. tonite 100

beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be that)

Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative

antibody test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12

l/2 mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or

something?

Tks for any advice

A

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HI,

I'm writing to you again because my last post didn't seem to show

up.......I was concerned that you aren't eating before noon - low blood

sugar can cause palpitations too. And if by chance you have low adrenals

which often happens with hypothyroid - then not eating can make this

worse as well.

This would be more likely than your T3 causing the palps as it should be

out of your system by midnight.

another explanation is that you are getting the palps because you don't

have enough hormone - if you take it in the AM your body doesn't have

any by midnight - so this could be the problem as well.

K

Palpitations

I'm still not sure (too few answers to my post here) whether or not to

take add in the rest of my Cytomel. Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my

100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers and quartered the Cytomel

and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't know whether to

go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps. tonite 100

beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be that)

Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative

antibody test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12

l/2 mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or

something?

Tks for any advice

A

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HI,

I'm writing to you again because my last post didn't seem to show

up.......I was concerned that you aren't eating before noon - low blood

sugar can cause palpitations too. And if by chance you have low adrenals

which often happens with hypothyroid - then not eating can make this

worse as well.

This would be more likely than your T3 causing the palps as it should be

out of your system by midnight.

another explanation is that you are getting the palps because you don't

have enough hormone - if you take it in the AM your body doesn't have

any by midnight - so this could be the problem as well.

K

Palpitations

I'm still not sure (too few answers to my post here) whether or not to

take add in the rest of my Cytomel. Doc prescribed 25mcg along with my

100 mcg Syn. I took advice of other sufferers and quartered the Cytomel

and went up slowly. I am at 3/4 of a tab now but don't know whether to

go up the last quarter. Am having very late evening palps. tonite 100

beat pmin, and fatigue. (am prone to anxiety attacks so could be that)

Took my 3/4 tab Cytomel at 7:30 Sat. a.m. and palps began at 12:35

(midnight tonite). Take all my thyroid meds together in the early a.m.

and don't eat for several hours (4 or 5) after taking them.

Again my last labs were (am presumed non Hashi's because of negative

antibody test)

Tsh .01 Norm .4 to 5.5

FT3 337 Norm 230-420

FT4 1.13 Norm 0.8 to l.8

Ferritin 65

These number were after introducing Cytomel to my regimen (66 days of 12

l/2 mcg) and 15 days after changing Syn. from 75 mcg to 100mcg.

Prior to this - without Cytomel and on Syn. 75 mcg, my numbers were

Tsh .691 same norms

FT3 282 same norms

FT4 1.40 same norms

After intro of Cytomel, T4 dropped, Tsh dropped and T3 shot up 45 pts.

Hate these palps and fatigue but don't want to cause other problems .

Thinking maybe I should get a blood test from healthcheck usa or

something?

Tks for any advice

A

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Palpitations can also be an indication of adrenal insufficiency. If you are not

eating until 4 or 5 hours into your day, you are stressing your adrenals, and

any raise of thyroid dose will add further stress. I would suggest, in addition

to Chuck's excellent recommendation to divide the Cytomel doses throughout the

day, that you have your adrenal glands evaluated (24-hour saliva cortisol test

is best), and place yourself on a meal schedule more conducive to adrenal

health. One should eat within one hour of awakening, ideally, but no later than

two hours. Hypothyroid people can be hypoglycemic, anyway, and if you are, this

is a double-whammy for your adrenals which do not respond well to hypoglycemic

episodes.

Palpitations can come also from low ferritin, but it appears as though you are

working on that, and also from low estrogen.

The fact that your T3 was all used up by the time you noticed the palps, also

suggests to me that the problem may stem from your adrenals. You see, if the

thyroid isn't able to bear up the load of running your metabolism, the adrenal

glands kick in to try and help out. Your T3 had to have been all gone by the

time you had the palps; therefore, if you aren't necessarily converting well

from T4 to T3, you didn't have much T3 (the active thyroid hormone) in your

system at that time...forcing your adrenal glands to rev up and work hard

undergirding your metabolism.

You may end up needing to support your adrenals with hydrocortisone, but if you

aren't too far gone yet with any adrenal deficiency that you might have, it is

possible that measures such as eating on a better schedule, going to bed by

10:00 p.m., and dividing the Cytomel dose, will by themselves restore your

adrenals. Best to try the least drastic measures first! Adrenals recharge

between 10 p.m. and 1 a.m., ONLY IF we are asleep.

Thinking about this, I'd better get to bed, myself!!! LOL

All the best to you,

Cherwyn

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Hello,

Can you tell me if there are any over-the-counter drugs that do help

the adrenals or any other means one can use to help them? amy

doctor says I don't have an adrenal problem, but I am suspicious.

Thanks,

>

> Hi,

> I don't know if you have had weak adrenals since childhood; it's

possible, believe me (or even if with certainty you have this

problem now), but someone simply must mention to you that one of the

classic symptoms of weak adrenals is getting your best energy at

night, staying up late, and sleeping late in the morning.

>

> The adrenals recharge at night between 10:00 and 1:00 ONLY IF WE

ARE ASLEEP. I basically ruined my adrenals by staying up till 1 or 2

a.m. practicing piano for my solo career, after my children came

along and I had no time during the day. Now they are recovering with

treatment, but I'm very careful not to stay up that late so

frequently anymore, lest I slip backwards.

>

> My doctor is extremely insistent that I get to bed before 11:00

and preferably before 10:00 a.m., for this very reason. Here's some

corroboration from the web:

>

> " Try to get to bed before 11 pm - optimally, by 10 pm.

>

> Since the invention of electricity, we have begun to stay up later

and later. This has resulted in a society that is, for the most

part, sleep deprived. Our stress glands, the adrenals, recharge or

recover most between 11 pm and 1 am. Therefore, it is best to go to

bed before 11 pm to rebuild your reserves. Growth hormone, which is

essential for repairing lean body tissues like muscle and bone, is

also released during sleep. " ~

http://www.accessnorthga.com/health/metabolism.asp

>

>

> Tip #2: Get a Good Night Sleep

>

> Most of us know that 8 hours of sleep per night is optimal.

> But what many people don't know is that the actual time you fall

asleep is important too--sleeping from 1 am to 9 am is not as

restorative as sleeping from 10 pm to 6 am.

>

> The reason why is because hormone secretion, body temperature,

digestion, and other important restorative processes follow a 24-

hour cycle linked to natural light exposure. The later in the

evening we fall asleep and the later in the morning we wake up, the

more out-of-sync our cycle becomes.

>

> Growth hormone is one such restorative hormone. Eighty percent of

growth hormone, which is needed for lean muscle, optimum immune

function, and strong skin, is secreted during sleep between the

hours of 11 pm and 1 am.

>

> Try to go to bed before 10 pm. It may be difficult to get used to

getting to bed at an early time, especially if you work late or if

night-time is your only downtime and you like to watch late-night

television. But you'll be rewarded with increased energy. ~

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/optimumhealthessentials/a/5_Tips_Ener

gy.htm

> So your adrenals may well be in need of support. Your thyroid

medicine will not work optimally, unfortunately, until weakened

adrenals are treated. The best test is the 24-hour salivary adrenal

stress index test (tests cortisol and DHEA every six hours by saliva

sample). You can test on your own at www.canaryclub.com, or go to a

chiropractor/nutritionist or a Broda doctor

(www.brodabarnes.org) or some doctors at www.acam.org use saliva

tests. If you can choose one that is a D.O., they will be more

likely to conduct salivary testing for the adrenals. It is

preferable to find a doctor who can prescribe, because then you will

probably need treatment with prescription-only hydrocortisone

( " Cortef " ) if the adrenals are weak.

> Cherwyn

>

>

[Guest guest]

look at DHEA from HFS, adrenal glandulars from Standard Process, but you can

also order your own meds from the internet no Rx needed. Let me know if you

want that info and post your email so I can send it to you. Docs are unable to

identify adrenal probs, I am not sure they know that adrenals exist. Maybe

they think it's an organ like the appendix?

gracia

Hello,

Can you tell me if there are any over-the-counter drugs that do help

the adrenals or any other means one can use to help them? amy

doctor says I don't have an adrenal problem, but I am suspicious.

Thanks,

>

> Hi,

> I don't know if you have had weak adrenals since childhood; it's

possible, believe me (or even if with certainty you have this

problem now), but someone simply must mention to you that one of the

classic symptoms of weak adrenals is getting your best energy at

night, staying up late, and sleeping late in the morning.

>

> The adrenals recharge at night between 10:00 and 1:00 ONLY IF WE

ARE ASLEEP. I basically ruined my adrenals by staying up till 1 or 2

a.m. practicing piano for my solo career, after my children came

along and I had no time during the day. Now they are recovering with

treatment, but I'm very careful not to stay up that late so

frequently anymore, lest I slip backwards.

>

> My doctor is extremely insistent that I get to bed before 11:00

and preferably before 10:00 a.m., for this very reason. Here's some

corroboration from the web:

>

> " Try to get to bed before 11 pm - optimally, by 10 pm.

>

> Since the invention of electricity, we have begun to stay up later

and later. This has resulted in a society that is, for the most

part, sleep deprived. Our stress glands, the adrenals, recharge or

recover most between 11 pm and 1 am. Therefore, it is best to go to

bed before 11 pm to rebuild your reserves. Growth hormone, which is

essential for repairing lean body tissues like muscle and bone, is

also released during sleep. " ~

http://www.accessnorthga.com/health/metabolism.asp

>

>

> Tip #2: Get a Good Night Sleep

>

> Most of us know that 8 hours of sleep per night is optimal.

> But what many people don't know is that the actual time you fall

asleep is important too--sleeping from 1 am to 9 am is not as

restorative as sleeping from 10 pm to 6 am.

>

> The reason why is because hormone secretion, body temperature,

digestion, and other important restorative processes follow a 24-

hour cycle linked to natural light exposure. The later in the

evening we fall asleep and the later in the morning we wake up, the

more out-of-sync our cycle becomes.

>

> Growth hormone is one such restorative hormone. Eighty percent of

growth hormone, which is needed for lean muscle, optimum immune

function, and strong skin, is secreted during sleep between the

hours of 11 pm and 1 am.

>

> Try to go to bed before 10 pm. It may be difficult to get used to

getting to bed at an early time, especially if you work late or if

night-time is your only downtime and you like to watch late-night

television. But you'll be rewarded with increased energy. ~

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/optimumhealthessentials/a/5_Tips_Ener

gy.htm

> So your adrenals may well be in need of support. Your thyroid

medicine will not work optimally, unfortunately, until weakened

adrenals are treated. The best test is the 24-hour salivary adrenal

stress index test (tests cortisol and DHEA every six hours by saliva

sample). You can test on your own at www.canaryclub.com, or go to a

chiropractor/nutritionist or a Broda doctor

(www.brodabarnes.org) or some doctors at www.acam.org use saliva

tests. If you can choose one that is a D.O., they will be more

likely to conduct salivary testing for the adrenals. It is

preferable to find a doctor who can prescribe, because then you will

probably need treatment with prescription-only hydrocortisone

( " Cortef " ) if the adrenals are weak.

> Cherwyn

>

>

[Guest guest]

Among the many out there, I've had the best results so far with Adrenergize, a

supplemnt by Enzymatic Therapy, and Adult-Active, by Nature's Plus. Both are

available at Health Food stores such as Wild Oats or Whole Foods, or Vitamin

Cottage. Look into Page's health books. She recommends a green drink and

other nutrients. In bed before 10pm always. You can also try Rhodiola. I

recommend the New Chapter brand. Very important to get the best vitamins you can

afford and take them daily--minerals also. Omegas make a difference, and can

help with the depression that can often accompany being tired all the time. You

need twice as many Omega 6's as you do the Omega 3's. I am in the process of

seeing improvements using these, and am now looking into others. Best of luck.

SJO :0)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Ayers " <sweetheart4u21502@...>

Hello,

Can you tell me if there are any over-the-counter drugs that do help

the adrenals or any other means one can use to help them? amy

doctor says I don't have an adrenal problem, but I am suspicious.

Thanks,

>

> Hi,

> I don't know if you have had weak adrenals since childhood; it's

possible, believe me (or even if with certainty you have this

problem now), but someone simply must mention to you that one of the

classic symptoms of weak adrenals is getting your best energy at

night, staying up late, and sleeping late in the morning.

>

> The adrenals recharge at night between 10:00 and 1:00 ONLY IF WE

ARE ASLEEP. I basically ruined my adrenals by staying up till 1 or 2

a.m. practicing piano for my solo career, after my children came

along and I had no time during the day. Now they are recovering with

treatment, but I'm very careful not to stay up that late so

frequently anymore, lest I slip backwards.

>

> My doctor is extremely insistent that I get to bed before 11:00

and preferably before 10:00 a.m., for this very reason. Here's some

corroboration from the web:

>

> " Try to get to bed before 11 pm - optimally, by 10 pm.

>

> Since the invention of electricity, we have begun to stay up later

and later. This has resulted in a society that is, for the most

part, sleep deprived. Our stress glands, the adrenals, recharge or

recover most between 11 pm and 1 am. Therefore, it is best to go to

bed before 11 pm to rebuild your reserves. Growth hormone, which is

essential for repairing lean body tissues like muscle and bone, is

also released during sleep. " ~

http://www.accessnorthga.com/health/metabolism.asp

>

>

> Tip #2: Get a Good Night Sleep

>

> Most of us know that 8 hours of sleep per night is optimal.

> But what many people don't know is that the actual time you fall

asleep is important too--sleeping from 1 am to 9 am is not as

restorative as sleeping from 10 pm to 6 am.

>

> The reason why is because hormone secretion, body temperature,

digestion, and other important restorative processes follow a 24-

hour cycle linked to natural light exposure. The later in the

evening we fall asleep and the later in the morning we wake up, the

more out-of-sync our cycle becomes.

>

> Growth hormone is one such restorative hormone. Eighty percent of

growth hormone, which is needed for lean muscle, optimum immune

function, and strong skin, is secreted during sleep between the

hours of 11 pm and 1 am.

>

> Try to go to bed before 10 pm. It may be difficult to get used to

getting to bed at an early time, especially if you work late or if

night-time is your only downtime and you like to watch late-night

television. But you'll be rewarded with increased energy. ~

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/optimumhealthessentials/a/5_Tips_Ener

gy.htm

> So your adrenals may well be in need of support. Your thyroid

medicine will not work optimally, unfortunately, until weakened

adrenals are treated. The best test is the 24-hour salivary adrenal

stress index test (tests cortisol and DHEA every six hours by saliva

sample). You can test on your own at www.canaryclub.com, or go to a

chiropractor/nutritionist or a Broda doctor

(www.brodabarnes.org) or some doctors at www.acam.org use saliva

tests. If you can choose one that is a D.O., they will be more

likely to conduct salivary testing for the adrenals. It is

preferable to find a doctor who can prescribe, because then you will

probably need treatment with prescription-only hydrocortisone

( " Cortef " ) if the adrenals are weak.

> Cherwyn

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have palpitation all the time now even when I take valerian. Usually

it helped stop it at all but now it don`t work. If I stop palpitation I

have chest pain.

It seems i got hot flashes like during menopause bc I also have body

heat and had to keep room cold. I think it is happen after taking

Alfalfa which has a lot of plant estrogen or allergy. Now i am afraid

to take any supplements including liver herbs. Bitter herbs supposed to

help reduce heat but I am afraid to get allergic reaction to hers and

supplements.

At the same time I have slight pain in GB now and probably need to

treat it. I wonder if somebody had such reactions from estrogen like

herbs and how it effect GB? I have red that access of estrogen can

cause GB problems.

Liz