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The trouble with so many of these sorts of articles is that they have very obvious inaccuracies which then make it difficult for one to take the rest of the article seriously. In some cases they are also highly emotive & /or speculative.

I've had lots of experience in dealing with certain Mycoplasmas (mostly M.gallisepticum & M. synoviae) in livestock, which necessitated knowing about them. So, reading first one webpage announcing " Mycoplasma are molds that cause plant rot " which they are not, & then another stating " Mycoplasmas are a crystalline bacterial toxin associated with the Brucella bacterium " which, when put like that, is a gross exaggeration, if indeed it is true at all, does not sound sensible.

Mycoplasmas are not, in general, shock horror, they are naturally occuring & , most often, do not cause vast problems.

There is not just one " Mycoplasma " it is a genus with many species. They are generally, naturally occuring, highly polymorphic, very tiny bacteria (not much larger than a virus) which do not have cell walls (I suppose they could be considered gram negative). They are so small they can be air borne & are most often associated with pneumonias.

To try to figure what all this was about, I tried searching Mycoplasma & Brucella & came up with some sites where I found the name Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain). So, now I've got a name & it's starting to make more sense, but we're talking about one strain of one species of Mycoplasma. So why are people referring to one strain of one species of a whole genus as if it were true of the entire genus? If they want to be taken seriously, they need to write article which are accurate & make sense; it is much easier to believe if they stick to facts & logical argument.

Here is a somewhat more convincing article on Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain).

And, even better here is a scientific stud from a peer reviewed journal.http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/1/25.full.pdfNo offense meant.

RegardsKrys On 9 June 2011 00:24, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Mycoplasmas are a crystalline bacterial toxin associated with the Brucella bacterium. They are sometimes found in chronic fatigue syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, Gulf War illness, AIDS, and related diseases. It can be delivered via insects, aerosol, the food chain, or caught from contact with other infected persons

Read more: http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Parasites---A-Serious-Health-Concern/952008#ixzz1OkmNjYrk

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> They shut the road through the woods

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> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

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> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

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> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

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> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

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> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

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-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

June 9, 2011

Ugh, he put this on his hand? that is scary. Interesting that the woman mentioned Morgellons just guessing. And the man said "he thought of that"Sent from my iPodOn Jun 9, 2011, at 6:14 AM, "healinghope" <mfrreman@...> wrote:

What is this???

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=175255262530730 & comments

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He also mentioned he thought he saw it come out of a plant!Sent from my iPodOn Jun 9, 2011, at 6:14 AM, "healinghope" <mfrreman@...> wrote:

What is this???

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That is a very different type of article to the first two, factual, logical & accurate. On 9 June 2011 09:42, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Kyrs I love insight, no disrespect taken:) Nonetheless, mycoplasmas by themselves can cause acute and chronic diseases at multiple sites with wide-ranging complications and have been implicated as cofactors in disease. Recently, mycoplasmas have been linked as a cofactor to AIDS pathogenesis and to malignant transformation, chromosomal aberrations, the Gulf War Syndrome, and other unexplained and complex illnesses, including chronic fatigue syndrome, Crohn's disease, and various arthritides.

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http://www.allaboutworms.com/how-to-get-rid-of-horsehair-worms

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> > > They shut the road through the woods

> > > Seventy years ago.

> > > Weather and rain have undone it again,

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> > > There was once a road through the woods

> > > Before they planted the trees.

> > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > And the thin anemones.

> > > Only the keeper sees

> > > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > > And the badgers roll at ease,

> > > There was once a road through the woods.

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> > > Yet, if you enter the woods

> > > Of a summer evening late,

> > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

> > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > > Because they see so few)

> > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > Steadily cantering through

> > > The misty solitudes,

> > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > The old lost road through the woods….

> > > But there is no road through the woods.

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> > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

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> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

June 9, 2011

If this is a horse worm then why are there two colors? I looked up horse worm and only saw the white one. L. Re: Gotta Read

Agree pretty wild.

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M, Maybe there are male and female worms of two colors? I'll look it up.L. Re: Gotta Read

L Just trying to explain the weird worm:)

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http://kaweahoaks.com/html/horsehairworms.htmlYes, looks just like the one you posted. L. Re: Gotta Read

How about horsehair worm? this looks just like it to me. If so they could be a good thing:)

http://www.google.com/search?q=HORSEHAIR+WORM. & hl=en & rlz=1C1_____enUS432US432 & prmd=ivns & tbm=isch & tbo=u & source=univ & sa=X & ei=BRXxTYCYAtCutweQlLGkAw & ved=0CCcQsAQ & biw=1024 & bih=677

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This appears to be a copy & paste of the first link posted in this topic. This was written by someone who didn't know how to properly get links to scientific papers (unless one is supposed to go & search). Giving them the benefit of the doubt, some of the pages might have been all well & fine with proper links...........but some of the titles are, to be awfully blunt, nonsense.

Mycoplasmas are not moulds......... the difference between Mycoplasmas, L-forms & Spheroplasts is not awfully difficult to comprehend: Mycoplasmas have no cell wall naturally & normally; L-forms are cells which normally have cell walls (but don't in that instance) & Spheroplasts normally have cell walls but they have been removed this causing them to become spherical in shape. This is off the top of my head, not copied & pasted....it is many years since I was at college so it may not be the best explanations going.

These sites may be trying to convey something real, but as long as they have obviously incorrect data they will not be taken seriously.No offence meant. You are really helpful & post some really interesting stuff; please post the good stuff. :~)

On 9 June 2011 13:56, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Mycoplasma and Vector-Pathogen Competence Studies performed on Plum Island

Selling such fungi and other biological and chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein

[link to www.actionlyme.org]

and Robin Cook);

Dead Iraqi scientist who worked with mycoplasma and allegedly on Plum Island (run over while changing a flat, much like Don Wiley)

Mycoplasma cause infertility and reduced milk production in livestock

Mycoplasma-Membrane Associated Lipoproteins inhibit the auto-kill kinases resulting in the activation of latent Epstein-Barr:

Mycoplasma and Leukemias

Mycoplasma and other tumors:

Isolation of mycoplasma from Leukemic bone marrow:

" Pleuropneumonia-like organisms associated with neoplastic disease " :

Mycoplasma are molds that cause plant rot

Stinking Smut and Iraq

[link to www.antiwar.com]

II. Mycoplasma vs L-forms vs Spheroplasts What's the difference?

UConn's Radolf and Dunn on stealth pathogens or stealth disablers

Radolf (UConn):

J Immunol. 2001 Jul 15;167(2):910-8. Links (While LYMErix Pam3Cys was still on the market)

[link to www.jimmunol.org]

Toll-like receptor 2-dependent inhibition of macrophage class II MHC expression and antigen processing by 19-kDa lipoprotein of Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

Department of Pathology, Case Western Reserve University and University Hospitals of Cleveland, Cleveland, OH 44106, USA.

Noss EH, Pai RK, Sellati TJ, Radolf JD, Belisle J, Golenbock DT, Boom WH, Harding CV.

Mycobacterium tuberculosis (MTB) induces vigorous immune responses, yet persists inside macrophages, evading host immunity. MTB bacilli or lysate was found to inhibit macrophage expression of class II MHC (MHC-II) molecules and MHC-II Ag processing. This report characterizes and identifies a specific component of MTB that mediates these inhibitory effects. The inhibitor was extracted from MTB lysate with Triton X-114, isolated by gel electroelution, and identified with Abs to be MTB 19-kDa lipoprotein. Electroelution- or immunoaffinity-purified MTB 19-kDa lipoprotein inhibited MHC-II expression and processing of both soluble Ags and Ag 85B from intact MTB bacilli. Inhibition of MHC-II Ag processing by either MTB bacilli or purified MTB 19-kDa lipoprotein was dependent on Toll-like receptor (TLR) 2 and independent of TLR 4. Synthetic analogs of lipopeptides from Treponema pallidum also inhibited Ag processing. Despite the ability of MTB 19-kDa lipoprotein to activate microbicidal and innate immune functions early in infection, TLR 2-dependent inhibition of MHC-II expression and Ag processing by MTB 19-kDa lipoprotein during later phases of macrophage infection may prevent presentation of MTB Ags and decrease recognition by T cells. This mechanism may allow intracellular MTB to evade immune surveillance and maintain chronic infection.

Dunn (SUNY-SB and Brookhaven Nuclear Lab)

Dark-field microscopy

Do L-forms cause disease?, Or, " Has science has gone backwards, which is why we're having this discussion? "

III. African Swine Fever and Durland Fish

African Swine fever and Lyme Borrelia

IV. Borrelia phylogeny (hermsii, anserina)

V. Bacteriophage vectored DNA & bioweaponeer bumbling

VI. Tully and Shope

[link to www.cdc.gov] Mycoplasmal Diseases

Joe Tully, the bioweaponeer and mycoplasma and tick, on MedLine:

bioweaponeering, possibly with Rockefellers and Kline, Erythrocyte deformities in humans with human mycoplasmal infections, L-forms and mycoplasma look the same under a microscope but are different...)

VII. Rockefeller University (The Biology of Parasitic Spirochetes)

VIII. Ed Bosler and outbreak areas:

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] (This supports the assertion that Plum Island was the original outbreak area.)

IIX. PNAC " race-specific bioweapons " is moot (nanobots and Morgellon's)

IX. OspA, HIV's gp120 and gp41, HIV vaccines (1993 and Fauci's HIV patent and Fauci's immune suppression treatment patent) Pam3Cys and CCR5 and Africans

X. TLR2 and not 4 handles these lipoproteins:

Downregulation of HLA molecules is part of the tolerization process. (mentioned in Chapter 10, Biomarkers)

OspA-induced IL-10 which is an immune suppressing cytokine

Brucella's Pam3Cys lipoproteins also result in immune suppression.