Re: my doctor suggestions- ???

August 3, 2009

Please don't do it! Once a vaccine has been injected it can NOT be removed! You

seem like a smart person, and from the wording of your question I think deep

down you know all vaccines are toxic. Think long and hard about this and the

choice you are considering. It may come with dire consequences.

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my doctor suggestions- ???

Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in splitting

them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my wife's

many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about 30

percent of his feedings from breast milk.

This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

August 3, 2009

Good luck with that. You really have to research each one and also the vaccines.

In researching you may come across something that resonates with you which we

could never give you.

I thought I would selectively vaccinate but after doing the work I realized that

my husband and I were more scared of the vaccines than the disease and it

probably would have made us more inclined to not vax if they were not breastfed

and put in daycare. I would boost their immune system, not traumatized it by

vaxxing. If you believe the vaccines work then the kids in daycare should not be

a risk to your child as they are probably vaxxed.

Good luck,

le

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my doctor suggestions- ???

Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in splitting

them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my wife's

many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about 30

percent of his feedings from breast milk.

This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

August 3, 2009

At 11:26 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote:

>Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes

>in splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day

>care. Also, my wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone

>'so-so' He is getting about 30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

>This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and

>the polio and prevnar at 3 months.

>I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern

>illnesses and issues so many children have are direct results of

>vax. That being said, I am considering the following.....giving

>either dtap or hib at two months and the other at three

>months....polio and prevnar-no way.

ALL vaccines can cause harm

NO vaccines give immunity

>I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What

>would you advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped

>anyone etc. ??? i am looking for real advice and not scare tactics

>from pro- or anti vax sides

Yes, I am telling you that no vaccine has ever given anyone immunity

to anything.

But I am leaving in a short time and can't answer more - gone for

next 4 days and may have some email access.

This isn't a scare tactic but the result of 27 years of study (I'm a

former peds nurse.

Start with my webpages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

and you may want to consider my classes as I keep them affordable and

you will get it all in a methodical way

Sheri

listowner

>------------------------------------

>

August 3, 2009

I believe it is true (don't have time to pull all my research right now) that

Hib was actually not so common, until the vaccine came out, then cases rose.

With DTaP, it is one of the most dangerous vaccines. It does not actually

prevent whooping cough, and both tetanus and diptheria are incredibly rare and

not usually serious (tetanus has 80 - 90% survival rate and that's if you even

get it, very rare). But this shot has been associated with SIDS, and many other

very dangerous side effects. Most horror stories you hear are caused by this

shot.

I would not do either for these reasons.

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

, 7-16-09

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my

wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about

30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 3, 2009

Hi

My suggestion is that you are feeling that people who try to tell you

that there are no vaccines that are safe or effective are scare-

mongering. Perhaps it's time to take a look at it in a different way?

Is it scare mongering to tell the truth about what you have researched

for many years? And if you see that a medical procedure which 99% of

the population seems to accept without question because they were

taught not to ask those questions is actually doing harm and leading

to more disease, is it scare mongering to try and let others know your

information?

When Sheri says that no vaccine is effective - she means that the

science is very clear. All vaccines are meant to do - and the only way

in which they are tested - is by their ability to cause your body to

produce antibodies to the diseases that are contained in the vaccine.

We have known since the 1930 - science has known - that the presence

of antibodies do not mean that you are immune to a disease - it just

means you've been exposed. So all vaccines do - in the broader sense -

is expose you or your child to disease - they do not make you immune.

They cannot because antibodies are not the be-all and end-all of

immunity. They can't even stop a vaccinated person from spreading the

disease because carriage of infection has nothing to do with antibodies.

Is it scare mongering to say that vaccines cause serious reactions and

deaths? Well, no! Because in the US, you can check out the VAERS

database on line. And if that database - kept by the US government -

doesn't scare you - there is something wrong.

Being informed is not scary. It is empowering. It is time for you to

take responsibility for your 10 week old and stop acting from fear -

start acting from information.

Also, if your wife is having trouble with breastfeeding, it's because

she is supplementing. Comp feeds spells the death-knell to breastmilk

which is very much supply and demand. Have her contact La Leche league

in your area for help and support. They will be able to get her back

on track and breast feeding is the best thing you can do for your

child's health - bar none.

All the best,

Meryl

On 04/08/2009, at 4:26 AM, wrote:

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

> splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day

> care. Also, my wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone

> 'so-so' He is getting about 30 percent of his feedings from breast

> milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and

> the polio and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern

> illnesses and issues so many children have are direct results of

> vax. That being said, I am considering the following.....giving

> either dtap or hib at two months and the other at three

> months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What

> would you advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped

> anyone etc. ??? i am looking for real advice and not scare tactics

> from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 3, 2009

Hi I know it's very hard I was torn with what to do but the more I researched

and spoke to people I became convinced that vaccines are just not safe. I wasn't

willing to risk my child possibly being the one harmed for the " so called

greater good " . Two of my close friends are going through hell right now. One her

son died 2 days after Dtap and they labeled it SIDS. The other her son almost

died got diagnosed with Diabetes Type I and will be on insulin for rest of his

life. I'm not telling you this to scare you just sharing what I know. They were

going w/the flow and trusting their doctors. Schools cannot make you vax. I'm

sure if you make some calls you could find a suitable daycare for your baby. Or

maybe look at other option like a nanny/sitter at home instead of the daycare

setting. Please be careful b/c vax cannot be reversed. It is so heart wrenching

to see injured children from vaccines. I honestly am afraid more of vaxing then

the illnesses they claim to protect from. My older son who is vax'd had the dtap

and still got whooping cough but they said it was croup b/c did not want to

admit the vax did not work. Dr. Tennpenny has a video that explains all of the

illnesses in depth and you might find it very interesting to see what each

disease entails, chances of getting it and how would be treated outcomes etc.

Sherri the list owner also has class about the actual diseases. Once I realized

what each was I felt more comfortable.

I was under impression that this was pretty much a no vax group I have never

heard anyone on here say a certain vax is good. If you are looking for someone

to say vax'ing is right thing to do or alternative schedule I don't think you'll

find that here. Good luck to you.

my doctor suggestions- ???

Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in splitting

them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my wife's

many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about 30

percent of his feedings from breast milk.

This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

August 3, 2009

My son, almost two years now, has been in daycare since he was two months.

Completely not vax'd, I work as a nurse so am around a lot of different

potential diseases, my milk dried up at 4 months so he was on formula for a long

time as well, and he's been perfectly fine. Just gets the occasional cold when

he's teething and had a fever once for 24 hours.

Diptheria-non existent now

Tetanus-extremely rare to get

Pertussis-can still be gotten with or w/o vax or having had it naturally

Hib-not as common as you may think and healthy kids are going to recover just

fine

You can email me privately (wyked_celt@...) if you would like.

~doris

August 3, 2009

why not (FOR NOW) go to the alternate schedule.

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/user_friendly.pdf (the last page shows

the schedule).

Some more thoughts on this: http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM, <notomox@...> wrote:

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

> splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also,

> my wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting

> about 30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the

> polio and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

> issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I

> am considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and

> the other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

> advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

> looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 3, 2009

I would advise you to go on a pro vaccine site to get a pro vaccine BS, but than

your doctor is advising you, so you are getting pro vaccine info.

I don't understand your position.

Vaccines not only don't help but they don't prevent disease.

So to end your ambivalence I will pay your doctor $1,000.00

for proof that a vaccine prevents disease. If he proves it he gets the 1000.00

and you can listen to him.

If he doesn't I keep the $1000.00 and you can listen to me.

Then you can make your own decisions.

Remember knowledge is power.

Jim

________________________________

From: <notomox@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 1:26:05 PM

Subject: my doctor suggestions- ???

Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in splitting

them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my wife's many

attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about 30 percent of

his feedings from breast milk.

This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following... ..giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you advise

other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc.. ??? i am looking

for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

August 3, 2009

Hi

I believe you posted back in May asking essentially this same

question. You didn't get a favorable response for vaccinating back

then, and you won't today. You have to remember that many of us (not

all, but MANY, MANY) have children who were injured or killed from a

vaccine, or we were injured ourselves. We can't, in good conscience,

advise you to put a poison in your brand new baby that we know could

harm or kill him! I'm not trying to scare or fear monger... vaccines

maim and kill, and that is a fact.

Vaccination is NOT a substitute for breastfeeding. In fact,

vaccination COMPROMISES the immune system and throws it into

hyper-reactive state - which is what causes chronic illness. This is

like saying " I'm going to give my baby potato chips because he won't

eat broccoli " . The kid that eats potato chips and no broccoli (i.e.

take a vaccine because he's not breastfed) isn't going to be able to

fight off an assault to his immune system with the same efficiency as

say, a kid who doesn't eat broccoli but eats fresh fruit instead.

Your child won't be able to fight off illnesses like colds, ear aches,

etc. as well after vaccination as before, because his body will be in

a more toxic state, chronically trying to rid itself of the toxins

that were forcefully injected into his bloodstream.

My personal story, for what it's worth: When I was pregnant with my

first son, a friend of mine took her healthy child in for his

two-month shots (DTaP). Afterward he became fussier and fussier as

the evening progressed. When the mother called the doctor's office to

ask whether to bring him in, she was told the high-pitched screaming

( " encephalitic cry " , i.e. BRAIN SWELLING) was a " normal " reaction to

the vaccines and to give him some Tylenol to help him sleep it off.

She did as instructed. The child died less than 12 hours after his

" shots " . The death was labeled " SIDS " , but not until after a lengthy

and grueling investigation for Shaken Baby Syndrome. The parents had

to deal with the " authorities " instead of grieving for the loss of

their tiny son, who prior to that shot was healthy, happy and alert.

This is, unfortunately, a common story that is associated with the

DTaP. You can a lot of information on Mothering.com. Here is a link

to a the thread, " What causes the DTaP scream? " .

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=618983

More on vaccines and " Shaken Baby Syndrome " from F. Yazbak, M.D. FAAP:

http://www.nvic.org/Doctors-Corner/Shaken-Baby-Syndrome.aspx

A year or so prior to the death of one friend's child, my best

friend's then seven-year-old daughter went in for shots. Vacerilla

was one of the shots she received that day. She became very, very ill

and slipped into a coma. The doctor stated the vaccine had " attacked

her pancreas " , killing it. She woke up after two days in a coma and

is Type I diabetic now. Keep in mind that she was seven... not a

two-month old whose immune system is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. Also keep

in mind that most vaccines are given at the same dosage whether you're

a two-month-old, seven-year-old or a 200 lb thirty-five-year-old.

I also have many friends with children who have varying degrees of

autism. I used to tell the story of ONE friend who's son started

slipping away after the 18 month shots then came down with full-blown

autism after his two-year shots, but I have more friends than one

dealing with this very same scenario. They could write each other's

story, that's how much alike they are.

I know I already mentioned this to you once, but it's something that

I'm living and reminded of every day as I work so hard to help my

15-month-old live through, and hopefully overcome, his allergies.

Vaccines contain many things - neurotoxins, heavy metals, etc. They

also contain many common allergens. My completely unvaccinated baby

has many SEVERE allergies (he's been hospitalized three times for

anaphylaxis - turning blue and not breathing). Many of the things

he's allergic to are very common allergies in kids today... they also

happen to be found IN VACCINES. I have had FOUR MAINSTREAM MEDICAL

DOCTORS tell me that it is very fortunate that I chose not to

vaccinate my baby because we did not know about his allergies until he

was a year old... if I had vaccinated him when he was so tiny, we

never would have known about his allergies and the shots most likely

would have KILLED him.

So again, the only thing I can advise in good conscience is to keep

reading and educating yourself. The diseases that you are fearing the

most are the ones you need to read up on first. Grab a copy of Neil

Z. 's book " Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and

Health Practitioners: Guide to Immunization Risks and Protection " .

Don't read it cover-to-cover, but flip to the sections that cover the

diseases you're most fearful of. That one book alone has more than

600 footnotes, most from mainstream " reputable " sources like the CDC,

WHO, etc.

I also highly recommend Sheri's classes. They really are affordable,

and full of much valuable information.

On the breastfeeding note, I would say if your wife is doing " so-so "

all she needs is the right encouragement and instruction to be able to

do it " really well " and one or two visits with a lactation consultant

may be all that is needed. With my first baby there was a bit of a

learning curve and it was shaky at first... I stuck with it and ended

up exclusively breastfeeding him for the first 10 months of his life,

and he still breastfed on demand until age three, when he self-weaned.

I completely understand how frustrating it can be to try to " get it

right " , but it is so rewarding if you stick to it and get the help you

need... your baby's health is SO worth it!

What ever you and your wife decide to do, I sincerely wish you the best.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Chris<notomox@...> wrote:

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

> splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also,

> my wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting

> about 30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the

> polio and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

> issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I

> am considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and

> the other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

> advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

> looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

August 3, 2009

I forgot to mention in my very long-winded post that I myself was

injured by vaccines as a kid. I can't remember if I was eight or

twelve, but I was NOT a baby, and I fully remember the day. I

received the mumps vaccine (may have been MMR, it had just come out

and I had already had the real mumps so I was baffled at the time as

to why I'd be receiving the mumps vaccine) and while I was still in

the clinic I when into anaphylactic shock. I developed chronic asthma

soon after, and had been completely healthy prior to the shot. That

was the last vaccine I had until I was a young adult and got the flu

shot once.... then promptly came down with... the flu.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Roberg<trinnea@...> wrote:

> Hi

>

> I believe you posted back in May asking essentially this same

> question. You didn't get a favorable response for vaccinating back

> then, and you won't today. You have to remember that many of us (not

> all, but MANY, MANY) have children who were injured or killed from a

> vaccine, or we were injured ourselves. We can't, in good conscience,

> advise you to put a poison in your brand new baby that we know could

> harm or kill him! I'm not trying to scare or fear monger... vaccines

> maim and kill, and that is a fact.

August 3, 2009

Before I knew better we gave my now 18 year old the scheduled vaccines in split

and spread-out doses just like you are pondering. Compared to my 11 year old

who got only one and then I quit, there is a world of difference in their

overall health, even issues with memory and sociability. These have been

largely dealt with using homeopathy and supreme nutrition but not 100% gone and

still affects his life, and ours. From that personal experience and the range

of damage in those I treat, it's clear it is playing Russian roulette.

Then there is the pure lack of evidence to prove good vs. the common sense

regarding a stew of known poisons and wads of vaccines damage cases out there.

Ultimately go with your heart for the little one who trusts you with their life.

Bright wishes, Liz

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my

wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about

30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 3, 2009

I missed Chris' original post, so I am replying here. why is your wife

having trouble breastfeeding? Is she sore? Does it hurt her? If so, this

happened to me because I did not get adequate training in the hospital about

breastfeeding. In desperation, I called a local La Leche group and went to one

of their meetings. The leader was very kind and demonstrated several ways for me

to hold my son so he could latch on properly. Once he was doing that and my skin

healed from the prior bad attempts ( a few days) I no longer hurt and my son got

the nourishment he needed. If the problem is one of supply, La Leche may be able

to suggest ways of boosting supply. It will take some dedication on your wife's

part to do so.

Good luck!

>

> > Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

> > splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day

> > care. Also, my wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone

> > 'so-so' He is getting about 30 percent of his feedings from breast

> > milk.

> > This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and

> > the polio and prevnar at 3 months.

> > I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern

> > illnesses and issues so many children have are direct results of

> > vax. That being said, I am considering the following.....giving

> > either dtap or hib at two months and the other at three

> > months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> > I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What

> > would you advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped

> > anyone etc. ??? i am looking for real advice and not scare tactics

> > from pro- or anti vax sides

> >

>

August 3, 2009

I know that it is a biggie on this group to breastfeed, but I have 3 children

and the first 2 were not breastfed at all and the newest one was for a week.

Although I wish I had breastfed longer with the last one, it just wasn't working

for me. But, with that being said, my first got her 1st round of shots and then

I started researching. She never got any more and the last 2 are completely

vaccine free. Both older children were in preschool and regular school and are

perfectly healthy. I personally believe hat if yu don't breastfeed, that is all

the more reason to NOT vaccinate. Just my opinion. =)

August 3, 2009

As someone who was pro-vax until my son was harmed by a vaccine, I cannot in

good conscience consider telling you anything other than what you don't want to

hear: all vaccines ARE bad. Sorry. It's not a scare tactic, just the truth based

on facts.

What would you call a product that carries the risk of death? All vaccines do.

How could something that is toxic to your children and not guaranteed to work

ever be good? I can't prove they've never helped anyone, although I personally

don't believe it, but I can say they've killed and injured many, many children.

Are you only considering vaccinating because your child is going into day care,

because your doctor is suggesting it, or because you truly feel this will give

your child good health? I think you need to look at your reasons, look at the

facts and go with your heart. He's your child, not mine. And he's not your

doctor's either. You and your wife will have to live with it if your child is

harmed by vaccines just as you will have to live with it if he gets

diseases--which vaccinated children get all the time, by the way. FYI--my

partially vaxed and completely unvaxed children (ages 10-19) have not gotten any

of them except chicken pox.

Read the package inserts; (http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf). Read

the VAERS reports: (http://vaers.hhs.gov/). See what some respected

organizations have to say: (http://www.nvic.org/) (http://www.safeminds.org/)

(http://www.thinktwice.com/)

Read books/articles by Neil , Moskowitz

(http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=1122), Barbare Loe Fisher,

Coulter--two books he wrote are referred to in this

article:(http://www.whale.to/vaccines/coulter5.html), and Mendelsohn.

If you decide to go ahead and vaccinate, it would be prudent to have a plan in

place of how to treat a vaccine reaction because you will likely be on your own.

Doctors generally refuse to admit when reactions happen.

Sorry if I can't tell you what you want to hear but it only matters what you and

your wife decide anyway.

Winnie

my doctor suggestions- ???

Vaccinations

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and

> believes in splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10

> week old in day care. Also, my wife's many attempts with breast

> feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about 30 percent of his

> feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months

> and the polio and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern

> illnesses and issues so many children have are direct results of

> vax. That being said, I am considering the following.....giving

> either dtap or hib at two months and the other at three

> months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What

> would you advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped

> anyone etc. ??? i am looking for real advice and not scare

> tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 3, 2009

our main reason for not vaccinating our children is that vaccination changes

immune response(T1 and T2 type- you can look up some studies on Pubmed).

Changing immune response that has been developed over millions of years for the

sake of protecting against a few strains of disease among millions of others, is

not something i would volunteer to do. even if we could trust the stats that

pertussis vx is 70% effective, what about everything else your baby will

inevitably be exposed to at the daycare? better to keep his immune system

intact, so that he has a better chance of fighting off whatever he might be

exposed to. Besides, with most other babies vx'ed, the disease commonly vx'ed

against are not the ones that he is most likely to encounter. As with Hib, the

virus has mutated, and the vx does not protect against the new strain.

even with 30% of breastfeeding, even with just one nursing a day, your baby gets

his mom's antibodies and is protected against the diseases she has had knowingly

or unknowingly. potentitally, even againts some she was vx'ed against ( and if

you don't believe she still has immunity against those, what would be the value

of vaccinating anyways?). the more breastmilk, the better of course.

good luck with your decision. you are doing right by your child by thinking hard

about your choices. i hope that whatever you decide, your choice proves to be

the right one for your family!

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my

wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about

30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 4, 2009

My son was born healthy the hospital gave him the normal stuff all babies have

after birth, my son went from being happy and eatting to " code blue, code blue

stat doctor cometo room 117 " . His eyes swelled shut, his fever went up his body

shut down within the time the injection was going on, it took them along time

befr he wa able to come home.At his 1 month shots he di thatagain wit new stuff

that happene he had a rash that the doctor had neve seen in all his years

(42yrs) as a doctor my son got so sick he could not breath. After he was admitte

he came close to SID's in the hospital! He stopped eating well he was always

crying and he never slept well. It's been 4 yrs now and he can't speak well he

still can't sleep good he has type 2 and he has to eat gluten free or it makes

him so sick. He had his birh shots and his 1 month shots but we will never be

doing that agin we almost lost him twice! ask your self isit worth the risk of

losing that baby?

I am pregnant agin and I will not be giving birth with a doctors help because

they all say 'it is fo the child's own well beign to be vaxed " what a bunch or

crack that is. I have my son in daycare ad he has a vax execption by the church

we had our pastor help us gain it! look into it I am not a jahova's wittness but

tats what I had to do for my kid.

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my

wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about

30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 4, 2009

Go to drsears web site and look at his vax chart he gives a good list of when to

I would NEVER MAKE MY KID A LAB RAT AGAIN! but thats just me

>

> Our doctor is not vaccine crazy. He is against a few and believes in

splitting them up. Sadly, we have to put our 10 week old in day care. Also, my

wife's many attempts with breast feeding have gone 'so-so' He is getting about

30 percent of his feedings from breast milk.

> This being said, our doc. suggests the dtap and Hib at 2 months and the polio

and prevnar at 3 months.

> I have looked into vaccines and am convinced that the modern illnesses and

issues so many children have are direct results of vax. That being said, I am

considering the following.....giving either dtap or hib at two months and the

other at three months....polio and prevnar-no way.

> I like this grp but am tired of the " all vaccines are bad " What would you

advise other than telling me the vaccines never helped anyone etc. ??? i am

looking for real advice and not scare tactics from pro- or anti vax sides

>

August 4, 2009

I hope anyone reading your story sees it as sharing a real experience and not a