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We're having a boy as well. :)

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, le Hunt <daniellehunt@...> wrote:

> Thank you! Congrats on yours as well! We are having a boy, what about you?

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Sounds like California has it easier than NY, good luck! We have to have an

exemption letter, and some places a few years back were sending kids home by

the hundreds because they were not vaccinated and not letting them in until

they were. That was around Syracuse I think, not sure, but they do get

testy and nasty like that in some places in states they don't have a

philosophical exemption.

I had that same experience as someone here, the daycare woman shared it with

all the other mothers and she had someone that objected so she said she

couldn't take my kids, because this mother was her regular for the last 4

years.(this was 10 yrs ago).

BUT, and here's the cool thing, a woman was in the house when I discussed

all the vaccine issues with the daycare owner, and because of ME, she

started researching like I did and stopped vaccinating her kids and knows a

couple of others who don't vaccinate since I spoke up way back then. She

introduced herself to me at the place my kids get their hair cut and told me

all this. It felt good that I was the one that started her " journey " into

all this, and I didn't even know it and she remembered me all this time and

even remembered my kids names and I was clueless as to who she was...lol

In this area, Dr's are still " gods " and you do NOT go against what they say

about vaccines, so it a big thing when you find some like minded people here

Western NY

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At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

>To or anyone else in the group,

> How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

>

> Rina (California)

Hi Rina

California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them

Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

on the planet.

Sheri

bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote:

Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

yes some people

had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

had it on file for the past 14 years.

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Aw, how sweet. I have to admit, I was a little freaked to be having a boy

after so long. They are completely different!

le

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We're having a boy as well. :)

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, le Hunt <daniellehunt@

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> Thank you! Congrats on yours as well! We are having a boy, what about you?

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Sheri,

The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave her the first

shots and everytime she went back to get more they would stamp their name and

the date next to the shot they gave. Should I be expecting to get another one

when she enters into the school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is

no where to sign that we refuse anymore shots.

Thanks, Rina

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

>Sheri,

> Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they

> give you here in California?

It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with

the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf

The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from

immunization requirements based on their

personal beliefs, and (B) physicians of children to choose medical

exemptions from them. The law does not

allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the

" shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is

too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the

problem. The back of the blue California School

Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by

parents who want a personal beliefs

exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be

maintained separately by the child care

staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded

from attendance if an outbreak occurs.

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> >To or anyone else in the group,

> > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

> >

> > Rina (California)

>

>Hi Rina

>California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

>give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them.

>Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

>babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

>

>It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

>on the planet.

>Sheri

>

>bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote:

>Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

>yes some people

>had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

>and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

>at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

>had it on file for the past 14 years.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Rina Barillas

>

>

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Hi ,

Than I am not sure of the yellow one I have. Where do I get that one?

Rina

<allitwin2@...> wrote:

They're still blue. I live in San Diego and have one of those signed

blue exemption forms on file at my daughter's preschool (she's 4 and has never

been vaxed) and my son's school (he's 10 and was vaxed up until his Kindergarten

" shots " before I knew better). I've never had any problems whatsoever from

office personnel, school nurses, etc.

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

>Sheri,

> Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they

> give you here in California?

It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with

the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf

The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from

immunization requirements based on their

personal beliefs, and (B) physicians of children to choose medical

exemptions from them. The law does not

allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the

" shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is

too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the

problem. The back of the blue California School

Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by

parents who want a personal beliefs

exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be

maintained separately by the child care

staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded

from attendance if an outbreak occurs.

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> >To or anyone else in the group,

> > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

> >

> > Rina (California)

>

>Hi Rina

>California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

>give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them.

>Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

>babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

>

>It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

>on the planet.

>Sheri

>

>bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote:

>Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

>yes some people

>had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

>and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

>at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

>had it on file for the past 14 years.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Rina Barillas

>

>

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Hi Rina,

I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the

hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you

live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD

and ask them what the difference is.

le

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Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:26 AM

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Hi ,

Than I am not sure of the yellow one I have. Where do I get that one?

Rina

<allitwin2 (DOT) <mailto:allitwin2%40> com>

wrote:

They're still blue. I live in San Diego and have one of those signed blue

exemption forms on file at my daughter's preschool (she's 4 and has never

been vaxed) and my son's school (he's 10 and was vaxed up until his

Kindergarten " shots " before I knew better). I've never had any problems

whatsoever from office personnel, school nurses, etc.

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@ <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net> tesco.net>

wrote:

At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

>Sheri,

> Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they

> give you here in California?

It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with

the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back

http://www.dhs. <http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf>

ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf

The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from

immunization requirements based on their

personal beliefs, and (B) physicians of children to choose medical

exemptions from them. The law does not

allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the

" shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is

too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the

problem. The back of the blue California School

Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by

parents who want a personal beliefs

exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be

maintained separately by the child care

staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded

from attendance if an outbreak occurs.

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@ <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net> tesco.net>

wrote:

> At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> >To or anyone else in the group,

> > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

> >

> > Rina (California)

>

>Hi Rina

>California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

>give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want

them.

>Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

>babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

>

>It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

>on the planet.

>Sheri

>

>bluheron <bluheronstny (DOT) <mailto:bluheron%40stny.rr.com> rr.com> wrote:

>Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

>yes some people

>had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

>and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

>at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

>had it on file for the past 14 years.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Rina Barillas

>

>

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Sheri- the one I have now, can I be put on there that I refuse anymore vaccines?

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 10:14 AM 3/21/2008, you

wrote:

>Sheri,

> The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave

> her the first shots and everytime she went back to get more they

> would stamp their name and the date next to the shot they gave.

> Should I be expecting to get another one when she enters into the

> school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is no where to

> sign that we refuse anymore shots.

>

> Thanks, Rina

Yes, you get one when you register for a school

Sheri

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> >Sheri,

> > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they

> > give you here in California?

>

>It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with

>the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back

>

>http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf

>

>The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from

>immunization requirements based on their

>personal beliefs, and (B) physicians of children to choose medical

>exemptions from them. The law does not

>allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the

> " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is

>too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the

>problem. The back of the blue California School

>Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by

>parents who want a personal beliefs

>exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be

>maintained separately by the child care

>staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded

>from attendance if an outbreak occurs.

>

> >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> > >To or anyone else in the group,

> > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

> > >

> > > Rina (California)

> >

> >Hi Rina

> >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

> >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't

> want them.

> >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

> >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

> >

> >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

> >on the planet.

> >Sheri

> >

> >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote:

> >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

> >yes some people

> >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

> >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

> >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

> >had it on file for the past 14 years.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Rina Barillas

> >

> >

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> >

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ok, well I wanted to make sure they were 2 different ones. For her daycare and

maybe pre-school down the line, do I just put on this yellow one that I refuse

anymore vaccines so that they have it for record and also to make sure I am

notified of any outbreaks?

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: The school form in

California with exemption

place on the back is different from what you get at the doctors office

At 10:47 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

Hi Rina,

I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the

hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you

live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD

and ask them what the difference is.

le

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At 10:14 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

>Sheri,

> The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave

> her the first shots and everytime she went back to get more they

> would stamp their name and the date next to the shot they gave.

> Should I be expecting to get another one when she enters into the

> school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is no where to

> sign that we refuse anymore shots.

>

> Thanks, Rina

Yes, you get one when you register for a school

Sheri

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> >Sheri,

> > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they

> > give you here in California?

>

>It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with

>the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back

>

>http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf

>

>The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from

>immunization requirements based on their

>personal beliefs, and (B) physicians of children to choose medical

>exemptions from them. The law does not

>allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the

> " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is

>too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the

>problem. The back of the blue California School

>Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by

>parents who want a personal beliefs

>exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be

>maintained separately by the child care

>staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded

>from attendance if an outbreak occurs.

>

> >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote:

> > >To or anyone else in the group,

> > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it

> > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have

> > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At

> > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in

> > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have

> > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my

> > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be

> > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope

> > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you!

> > >

> > > Rina (California)

> >

> >Hi Rina

> >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they

> >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't

> want them.

> >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to

> >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts.

> >

> >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living

> >on the planet.

> >Sheri

> >

> >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote:

> >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago,

> >yes some people

> >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes

> >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file

> >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has

> >had it on file for the past 14 years.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Rina Barillas

> >

> >

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The school form in California with exemption

place on the back is different from what you get at the doctors office

At 10:47 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

Hi Rina,

I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the

hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you

live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD

and ask them what the difference is.

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Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2 weeks if there

is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at this statement. Obviously, if

there is an epidemic among vaccinated school children, that is proof positive

that their vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the

disease whatsoever.

The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children in school with

non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the brainwashing goes. If

they " believe in " vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to

whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one,

haven't they had them all other than boosters.

The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children, knowing that

the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for which the vaxed immune

systems are now too damaged to react too, but that your healthier child may be

exposed to and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses

circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those

infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created immune

reactions.

And how ironic, that antibody response is the only measure of immune reaction

that is measured to " prove " vaccine efficacy, when they should know that

antibodies are made in response to specific antigens, and when vaccine antigens

have been altered and changed at the DNA level so they can't trigger the disease

in question, that the antibodies reflect the nature of altered viruses, not wild

viruses that cause disease. That means that vaxed kids have a circulating

infection the body is unable to clear out (if it does, no more antibodies) and

that they are shedding viruses that unvaxed kids have no natural immunity to

either, other than just having very strong, untampered with immune systems that

work the way they are supposed to, hopefully, I would be much more fearful to

have my unvaxed child around recently vaccinated children, especially those

still in diapers.

Recently vaccinated children were found to be shedding in their stools the

deadly cancer/immunodeficiency virus SV40 from monkeys that contaminated

millions of polio vaccines. That's part of what broke the story. Dr. Eva Lee

Sneed, MD, came across that story in a foreign medical journal in the 1980's.and

it holds true for the contents of any vaccine.

I've taught in the public schools and seen the estimated 25% of learning

disabled students and all that goes with it, as well as the illness, mental

problems, allergies, asthma, behavior disorders and everything else that didn't

exist when I started school just prior to the polio mass vaccination trials and

which grow by the year to the point where I regret having chosen this

profession. It's a nightmare.

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since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that keeps

mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd...

if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think about

the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will be

protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/

cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases, we

think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick

child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why are

HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that they

threaten the health of the vax'd kids?

does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head.

& i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd kids'

parents are so scared of unvax'd kids.

~marcia~

>

> Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2

weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at

this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among vaccinated

school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines failed to

provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever.

>

> The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children

in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the

brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they should

believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions those

horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they had

them all other than boosters.

>

> The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children,

knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for

which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, but

that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since the

true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among

unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those

infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created

immune reactions.

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I've never understood the worry about vaccinated kids being around the

unvaccinated kids. If you really think about it, most adults don't keep up on

their booster shots, and I don't know anyone who's gone back and gotten the new

vaccines as they get added to the pediatric schedule. So this would mean that

most of us are in the category of the " disease-ridden unvaccinated " I would

think.

And if I found out another unvaccinated child was attending the same

school/daycare/play group as my unvaccinated children I would be very happy that

my kids would be around one less cold/flu/virus spreading immune-compromised

vaccinated kid.

Marie Quisenberry

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since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that keeps

mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd...

if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think about

the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will be

protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/

cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases, we

think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick

child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why are

HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that they

threaten the health of the vax'd kids?

does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head.

& i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd kids'

parents are so scared of unvax'd kids.

~marcia~

>

> Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2

weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at

this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among vaccinated

school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines failed to

provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever.

>

> The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children

in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the

brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they should

believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions those

horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they had

them all other than boosters.

>

> The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children,

knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for

which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, but

that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since the

true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among

unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those

infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created

immune reactions.

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That's a great point about it being proof the vaccines failed if there was an

epidemic. No wonder in 15 years there haven't been any around me!

Winnie

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> Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2

> weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently

> at this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among

> vaccinated school children, that is proof positive that their

> vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to

> the disease whatsoever.

>

> The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated

> children in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the

> depth to which the brainwashing goes. If they " believe in "

> vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to

> whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag

> in. By age one, haven't they had them all other than boosters.

>

> The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed

> children, knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria

> for weeks for which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged

> to react too, but that your healthier child may be exposed to

> and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses

> circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one

> percent of those infected with the polio virus had lasting

> symptoms) actually created immune reactions.

>

> And how ironic, that antibody response is the only measure of

> immune reaction that is measured to " prove " vaccine efficacy,

> when they should know that antibodies are made in response to

> specific antigens, and when vaccine antigens have been altered

> and changed at the DNA level so they can't trigger the disease

> in question, that the antibodies reflect the nature of altered

> viruses, not wild viruses that cause disease. That means that

> vaxed kids have a circulating infection the body is unable to

> clear out (if it does, no more antibodies) and that they are

> shedding viruses that unvaxed kids have no natural immunity to

> either, other than just having very strong, untampered with

> immune systems that work the way they are supposed to,

> hopefully, I would be much more fearful to have my unvaxed child

> around recently vaccinated children, especially those still in

> diapers.

> Recently vaccinated children were found to be shedding in their

> stools the deadly cancer/immunodeficiency virus SV40 from

> monkeys that contaminated millions of polio vaccines. That's

> part of what broke the story. Dr. Eva Lee Sneed, MD, came across

> that story in a foreign medical journal in the 1980's.and it

> holds true for the contents of any vaccine.

>

> I've taught in the public schools and seen the estimated 25% of

> learning disabled students and all that goes with it, as well as

> the illness, mental problems, allergies, asthma, behavior

> disorders and everything else that didn't exist when I started

> school just prior to the polio mass vaccination trials and which

> grow by the year to the point where I regret having chosen this

> profession. It's a nightmare.

>

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Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember it when we go

visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this weekend. Thanks--it's good to

have some new ammunition!

Winnie

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>

> since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that

> keeps

> mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd...

> if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think

> about

> the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will

> be

> protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/

> cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases,

> we

> think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick

> child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why

> are

> HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that

> they

> threaten the health of the vax'd kids?

> does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head.

> & i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd

> kids'

> parents are so scared of unvax'd kids.

> ~marcia~

>

>

> >

> > Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for

> 2

> weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently

> at

> this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among

> vaccinated

> school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines

> failed to

> provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever.

> >

> > The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated

> children

> in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to

> which the

> brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they

> should

> believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions

> those

> horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they

> had

> them all other than boosters.

> >

> > The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed

> children,

> knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks

> for

> which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too,

> but

> that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since

> the

> true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among

> unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those

> infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually

> created

> immune reactions.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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This is exactly the same thing that mainstream is yet to address. Where are all

the polio outbreaks with adults? Measles? Mumps? Rubella? Whooping Cough?

Now, it will be stated that because the younger generations are vaccinated,

they provide herd immunity to the elderly, but many of the elderly are segrated

amongst themselves (nursing homes).

Where are the outbreaks of those even 25+? To my best estimate, those 25 and

older are all suseptible to these supposedly " killer diseases " . Where's the

reccomendations for those age groups? Where's the outbreaks?

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Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember it when we go

visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this weekend. Thanks--it's good to

have some new ammunition!

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Oh, come on now. Where's the money in trying to convince adults to vaccinate?

It's so much easier to instill fear in parents and such a better return for the

advertising dollars. Ha.

Winnie

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> This is exactly the same thing that mainstream is yet to

> address. Where are all the polio outbreaks with adults?

> Measles? Mumps? Rubella? Whooping Cough?

> Now, it will be stated that because the younger generations

> are vaccinated, they provide herd immunity to the elderly, but

> many of the elderly are segrated amongst themselves (nursing

> homes).

> Where are the outbreaks of those even 25+? To my best

> estimate, those 25 and older are all suseptible to these

> supposedly " killer diseases " . Where's the reccomendations for

> those age groups? Where's the outbreaks?

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

> -------------------------------------

>

> Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember

> it when we go visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this

> weekend. Thanks--it's good to have some new ammunition!

>

>

>

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