Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 We're having a boy as well. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, le Hunt <daniellehunt@...> wrote: > Thank you! Congrats on yours as well! We are having a boy, what about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Sounds like California has it easier than NY, good luck! We have to have an exemption letter, and some places a few years back were sending kids home by the hundreds because they were not vaccinated and not letting them in until they were. That was around Syracuse I think, not sure, but they do get testy and nasty like that in some places in states they don't have a philosophical exemption. I had that same experience as someone here, the daycare woman shared it with all the other mothers and she had someone that objected so she said she couldn't take my kids, because this mother was her regular for the last 4 years.(this was 10 yrs ago). BUT, and here's the cool thing, a woman was in the house when I discussed all the vaccine issues with the daycare owner, and because of ME, she started researching like I did and stopped vaccinating her kids and knows a couple of others who don't vaccinate since I spoke up way back then. She introduced herself to me at the place my kids get their hair cut and told me all this. It felt good that I was the one that started her " journey " into all this, and I didn't even know it and she remembered me all this time and even remembered my kids names and I was clueless as to who she was...lol In this area, Dr's are still " gods " and you do NOT go against what they say about vaccines, so it a big thing when you find some like minded people here Western NY -- Re: RE: Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >To or anyone else in the group, > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > Rina (California) Hi Rina California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living on the planet. Sheri bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, yes some people had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has had it on file for the past 14 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Aw, how sweet. I have to admit, I was a little freaked to be having a boy after so long. They are completely different! le _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of Roberg Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:23 PM Vaccinations Subject: Re: RE: Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member We're having a boy as well. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, le Hunt <daniellehunt@ <mailto:daniellehunt%40comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote: > Thank you! Congrats on yours as well! We are having a boy, what about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Sheri, The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave her the first shots and everytime she went back to get more they would stamp their name and the date next to the shot they gave. Should I be expecting to get another one when she enters into the school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is no where to sign that we refuse anymore shots. Thanks, Rina Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they > give you here in California? It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from immunization requirements based on their personal beliefs, and ( physicians of children to choose medical exemptions from them. The law does not allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the problem. The back of the blue California School Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by parents who want a personal beliefs exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be maintained separately by the child care staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded from attendance if an outbreak occurs. >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >To or anyone else in the group, > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > > > Rina (California) > >Hi Rina >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them. >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. > >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living >on the planet. >Sheri > >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, >yes some people >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has >had it on file for the past 14 years. > > > > > > >Rina Barillas > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi , Than I am not sure of the yellow one I have. Where do I get that one? Rina <allitwin2@...> wrote: They're still blue. I live in San Diego and have one of those signed blue exemption forms on file at my daughter's preschool (she's 4 and has never been vaxed) and my son's school (he's 10 and was vaxed up until his Kindergarten " shots " before I knew better). I've never had any problems whatsoever from office personnel, school nurses, etc. Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they > give you here in California? It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from immunization requirements based on their personal beliefs, and ( physicians of children to choose medical exemptions from them. The law does not allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the problem. The back of the blue California School Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by parents who want a personal beliefs exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be maintained separately by the child care staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded from attendance if an outbreak occurs. >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >To or anyone else in the group, > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > > > Rina (California) > >Hi Rina >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them. >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. > >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living >on the planet. >Sheri > >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, >yes some people >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has >had it on file for the past 14 years. > > > > > > >Rina Barillas > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi Rina, I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD and ask them what the difference is. le _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of Rina Barillas Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:26 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member Hi , Than I am not sure of the yellow one I have. Where do I get that one? Rina <allitwin2 (DOT) <mailto:allitwin2%40> com> wrote: They're still blue. I live in San Diego and have one of those signed blue exemption forms on file at my daughter's preschool (she's 4 and has never been vaxed) and my son's school (he's 10 and was vaxed up until his Kindergarten " shots " before I knew better). I've never had any problems whatsoever from office personnel, school nurses, etc. Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@ <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net> tesco.net> wrote: At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they > give you here in California? It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back http://www.dhs. <http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf> ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from immunization requirements based on their personal beliefs, and ( physicians of children to choose medical exemptions from them. The law does not allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the problem. The back of the blue California School Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by parents who want a personal beliefs exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be maintained separately by the child care staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded from attendance if an outbreak occurs. >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@ <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net> tesco.net> wrote: > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >To or anyone else in the group, > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > > > Rina (California) > >Hi Rina >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't want them. >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. > >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living >on the planet. >Sheri > >bluheron <bluheronstny (DOT) <mailto:bluheron%40stny.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, >yes some people >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has >had it on file for the past 14 years. > > > > > > >Rina Barillas > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Sheri- the one I have now, can I be put on there that I refuse anymore vaccines? Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 10:14 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave > her the first shots and everytime she went back to get more they > would stamp their name and the date next to the shot they gave. > Should I be expecting to get another one when she enters into the > school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is no where to > sign that we refuse anymore shots. > > Thanks, Rina Yes, you get one when you register for a school Sheri >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >Sheri, > > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they > > give you here in California? > >It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with >the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back > >http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf > >The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from >immunization requirements based on their >personal beliefs, and ( physicians of children to choose medical >exemptions from them. The law does not >allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the > " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is >too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the >problem. The back of the blue California School >Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by >parents who want a personal beliefs >exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be >maintained separately by the child care >staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded >from attendance if an outbreak occurs. > > >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > > >To or anyone else in the group, > > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > > > > > Rina (California) > > > >Hi Rina > >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they > >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't > want them. > >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to > >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. > > > >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living > >on the planet. > >Sheri > > > >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: > >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, > >yes some people > >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes > >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file > >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has > >had it on file for the past 14 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rina Barillas > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 ok, well I wanted to make sure they were 2 different ones. For her daycare and maybe pre-school down the line, do I just put on this yellow one that I refuse anymore vaccines so that they have it for record and also to make sure I am notified of any outbreaks? Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: The school form in California with exemption place on the back is different from what you get at the doctors office At 10:47 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: Hi Rina, I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD and ask them what the difference is. le _____ Rina Barillas --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 At 10:14 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > The one I have is the one given to me by the doctor who gave > her the first shots and everytime she went back to get more they > would stamp their name and the date next to the shot they gave. > Should I be expecting to get another one when she enters into the > school system? I looked on my yellow card and there is no where to > sign that we refuse anymore shots. > > Thanks, Rina Yes, you get one when you register for a school Sheri >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > At 05:35 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >Sheri, > > Are you talking about the little yellow immunization card they > > give you here in California? > >It used to be blue - the one the schools give you to fill out with >the vaccine info - there is a place to sign to refuse on the back > >http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/dcdc/izgroup/pdf/imm230.pdf > >The law allows (a) parents/guardians to choose exemptions from >immunization requirements based on their >personal beliefs, and ( physicians of children to choose medical >exemptions from them. The law does not >allow parents/guardians to choose an exemption simply because the > " shot " record is lost or incomplete and it is >too much trouble to get to a physician or clinic to correct the >problem. The back of the blue California School >Immunization Record has instructions and an affidavit to be signed by >parents who want a personal beliefs >exemption. An up-to-date list of children with exemptions should be >maintained separately by the child care >staff so that these children can be quickly identified and excluded >from attendance if an outbreak occurs. > > >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > > At 03:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > > >To or anyone else in the group, > > > How do I begin to get this exemption letter and formal does it > > > need to be? What wording works best? I am in California and I have > > > just begun my non-vaxxing journey for my 14 month old daughter. At > > > this point in time, she is in daycare and when we started her in > > > this daycare, she was " up to date " on her shots, but now I have > > > decided to get no more and don't know how this will affect my > > > daughter remaining in daycare. Does the exemption letter need to be > > > legally filed somehow? I have so many questions about it, I hope > > > someone can just put me in the right direction? Thank you! > > > > > > Rina (California) > > > >Hi Rina > >California is very easy - you just sign the back of the form they > >give you to fill out about vaccines. Just say saying no, you don't > want them. > >Some people make a copy and put in their personal files, give to > >babysitters, give to doctors to put in charts. > > > >It is not necessary as the exemption is for school and not for living > >on the planet. > >Sheri > > > >bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: > >Guess no one read my e-mail when I posted it two days ago, > >yes some people > >had their children taken away from them, that is why I said I just say yes > >and don't even flinch or bat an eye. I do have my exemption letter on file > >at the Dr's office though so if anyone got nasty, I can say the doctor has > >had it on file for the past 14 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rina Barillas > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 The school form in California with exemption place on the back is different from what you get at the doctors office At 10:47 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: Hi Rina, I have a yellow one for my son and my daughter (3 ½ ) received one in the hospital. I wonder if it has to do with Drs or depends on which county you live in. I think they might be the same thing though. I would call your PD and ask them what the difference is. le _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2 weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among vaccinated school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever. The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they had them all other than boosters. The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children, knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, but that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created immune reactions. And how ironic, that antibody response is the only measure of immune reaction that is measured to " prove " vaccine efficacy, when they should know that antibodies are made in response to specific antigens, and when vaccine antigens have been altered and changed at the DNA level so they can't trigger the disease in question, that the antibodies reflect the nature of altered viruses, not wild viruses that cause disease. That means that vaxed kids have a circulating infection the body is unable to clear out (if it does, no more antibodies) and that they are shedding viruses that unvaxed kids have no natural immunity to either, other than just having very strong, untampered with immune systems that work the way they are supposed to, hopefully, I would be much more fearful to have my unvaxed child around recently vaccinated children, especially those still in diapers. Recently vaccinated children were found to be shedding in their stools the deadly cancer/immunodeficiency virus SV40 from monkeys that contaminated millions of polio vaccines. That's part of what broke the story. Dr. Eva Lee Sneed, MD, came across that story in a foreign medical journal in the 1980's.and it holds true for the contents of any vaccine. I've taught in the public schools and seen the estimated 25% of learning disabled students and all that goes with it, as well as the illness, mental problems, allergies, asthma, behavior disorders and everything else that didn't exist when I started school just prior to the polio mass vaccination trials and which grow by the year to the point where I regret having chosen this profession. It's a nightmare. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that keeps mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd... if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think about the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will be protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/ cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases, we think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why are HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that they threaten the health of the vax'd kids? does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head. & i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd kids' parents are so scared of unvax'd kids. ~marcia~ > > Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2 weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among vaccinated school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever. > > The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they had them all other than boosters. > > The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children, knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, but that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created immune reactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I've never understood the worry about vaccinated kids being around the unvaccinated kids. If you really think about it, most adults don't keep up on their booster shots, and I don't know anyone who's gone back and gotten the new vaccines as they get added to the pediatric schedule. So this would mean that most of us are in the category of the " disease-ridden unvaccinated " I would think. And if I found out another unvaccinated child was attending the same school/daycare/play group as my unvaccinated children I would be very happy that my kids would be around one less cold/flu/virus spreading immune-compromised vaccinated kid. Marie Quisenberry leesamarie2828@... Re: The lies about vaCcination was New Member since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that keeps mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd... if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think about the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will be protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/ cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases, we think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why are HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that they threaten the health of the vax'd kids? does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head. & i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd kids' parents are so scared of unvax'd kids. ~marcia~ > > Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2 weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently at this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among vaccinated school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever. > > The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated children in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to which the brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they had them all other than boosters. > > The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed children, knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks for which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, but that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually created immune reactions. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 That's a great point about it being proof the vaccines failed if there was an epidemic. No wonder in 15 years there haven't been any around me! Winnie Re: The lies about vaCcination was New Member Vaccinations > Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for 2 > weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently > at this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among > vaccinated school children, that is proof positive that their > vaccines failed to provide those vaccinated with any immunity to > the disease whatsoever. > > The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated > children in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the > depth to which the brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " > vaccinations, they should believe their children are immune to > whatever vile conditions those horrible unvaxed kids might drag > in. By age one, haven't they had them all other than boosters. > > The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed > children, knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria > for weeks for which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged > to react too, but that your healthier child may be exposed to > and contract since the true herd exposure, when the wild viruses > circulated among unvaccinated populations (only one half of one > percent of those infected with the polio virus had lasting > symptoms) actually created immune reactions. > > And how ironic, that antibody response is the only measure of > immune reaction that is measured to " prove " vaccine efficacy, > when they should know that antibodies are made in response to > specific antigens, and when vaccine antigens have been altered > and changed at the DNA level so they can't trigger the disease > in question, that the antibodies reflect the nature of altered > viruses, not wild viruses that cause disease. That means that > vaxed kids have a circulating infection the body is unable to > clear out (if it does, no more antibodies) and that they are > shedding viruses that unvaxed kids have no natural immunity to > either, other than just having very strong, untampered with > immune systems that work the way they are supposed to, > hopefully, I would be much more fearful to have my unvaxed child > around recently vaccinated children, especially those still in > diapers. > Recently vaccinated children were found to be shedding in their > stools the deadly cancer/immunodeficiency virus SV40 from > monkeys that contaminated millions of polio vaccines. That's > part of what broke the story. Dr. Eva Lee Sneed, MD, came across > that story in a foreign medical journal in the 1980's.and it > holds true for the contents of any vaccine. > > I've taught in the public schools and seen the estimated 25% of > learning disabled students and all that goes with it, as well as > the illness, mental problems, allergies, asthma, behavior > disorders and everything else that didn't exist when I started > school just prior to the polio mass vaccination trials and which > grow by the year to the point where I regret having chosen this > profession. It's a nightmare. > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember it when we go visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this weekend. Thanks--it's good to have some new ammunition! Winnie Re: The lies about vaCcination was New Member > > since you mentioned this too & in line w/ the other thread that > keeps > mentioning why vax'd people are afraid of unvax'd... > if HEALTHY unvax'd kids are such a concern to vax'd kids- think > about > the line about " those too immune-dificient to recieve vaxes will > be > protected by everyone else being vax'd " when you have a kid w/ > cancer or something that makes them suseptible to the diseases, > we > think everyone around them should be vax'd to " protect the sick > child " - SO... why wouldn't it cross over for healthy kids? why > are > HEALTHY unvax'd kids assumed to be such disease carriers that > they > threaten the health of the vax'd kids? > does this make sense? it's just something that jumped in my head. > & i know it's rhetorical, but just kinda goes w/ why the vax'd > kids' > parents are so scared of unvax'd kids. > ~marcia~ > > > > > > Schools and other places tell you your child must go home for > 2 > weeks if there is an epidemic. I always have to laugh silently > at > this statement. Obviously, if there is an epidemic among > vaccinated > school children, that is proof positive that their vaccines > failed to > provide those vaccinated with any immunity to the disease whatsoever. > > > > The fact that people are afraid to have their vaccinated > children > in school with non-vaxed kids is an example of the depth to > which the > brainwashing goes. If they " believe in " vaccinations, they > should > believe their children are immune to whatever vile conditions > those > horrible unvaxed kids might drag in. By age one, haven't they > had > them all other than boosters. > > > > The ones living in fear should be the parents of unvaxed > children, > knowing that the vaxed kids shed viruses and bacteria for weeks > for > which the vaxed immune systems are now too damaged to react too, > but > that your healthier child may be exposed to and contract since > the > true herd exposure, when the wild viruses circulated among > unvaccinated populations (only one half of one percent of those > infected with the polio virus had lasting symptoms) actually > created > immune reactions. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 This is exactly the same thing that mainstream is yet to address. Where are all the polio outbreaks with adults? Measles? Mumps? Rubella? Whooping Cough? Now, it will be stated that because the younger generations are vaccinated, they provide herd immunity to the elderly, but many of the elderly are segrated amongst themselves (nursing homes). Where are the outbreaks of those even 25+? To my best estimate, those 25 and older are all suseptible to these supposedly " killer diseases " . Where's the reccomendations for those age groups? Where's the outbreaks? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember it when we go visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this weekend. Thanks--it's good to have some new ammunition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Oh, come on now. Where's the money in trying to convince adults to vaccinate? It's so much easier to instill fear in parents and such a better return for the advertising dollars. Ha. Winnie Re: The lies about vaCcination was New Member Vaccinations > This is exactly the same thing that mainstream is yet to > address. Where are all the polio outbreaks with adults? > Measles? Mumps? Rubella? Whooping Cough? > Now, it will be stated that because the younger generations > are vaccinated, they provide herd immunity to the elderly, but > many of the elderly are segrated amongst themselves (nursing > homes). > Where are the outbreaks of those even 25+? To my best > estimate, those 25 and older are all suseptible to these > supposedly " killer diseases " . Where's the reccomendations for > those age groups? Where's the outbreaks? > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------- > > Oh, that's a good one about the adults. I'll have to remember > it when we go visit my sister-in-law, the know-it-all nurse this > weekend. Thanks--it's good to have some new ammunition! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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