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We do not have to tell people that we don't vaccinate and reasons. If they ask

or topic comes up I have chosen not to make it an issue just say that is our

choice just like you have choices in your lives that we might disagree on we

have made this choice.

Huff <piersonhuff@...> wrote: " Well

I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup uncomfortable.

They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their

kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message

board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some

of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about

it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this

particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are very

nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening.

Holly "

Holly

Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home.

You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up

only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well

we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I

brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me

that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought

that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me

hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to

all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be

monitored and all kinds of nonsense. When I explained to her that just walking

around she is exposed to lots of things and told her she shouldn't worry because

she didn't know who she came in contact with on a day to day basis that didn't

vaccinate and she accused me of threatening

her!

Anyway, you just can't be aware of people's prejudices. Even though our leader

reached out to her, she decided to quit coming to LLL. I have decided to be

very judicial with whom I share any info about Teryn not being vaccinated. I

have also joined my local Holistic Moms network because most everyone there also

does not vax or limits their vaccinations.

If you go to mothering.com and click on find your tribe, perhaps there is one

in your area.

I hope you find some like minded folks to have playgroups with!

Huff

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" Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home.

You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up

only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well

we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I

brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that

she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that

was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically

saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of

diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and

all kinds of nonsense.... "

My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that people would

respond this way (even the advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're

child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c she hasn't been

vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!!

It's your choice and I support you. Don't let people like that bother you.

Kellie

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Please do not tell other people about your decision

not to vaccinate your child.

1. it is none of their business.

2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

3. People do not understand.

4. You are only hurting yourself.

5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is.

--- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:

>

>

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League

> playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI

> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended

> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was

> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking

> about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and

> then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my

> DD. Well she then informed me that she works for

> Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I

> thought that was the end of it, but then she started

> emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her

> doctor said she and her unborn child had been

> exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she

> was at risk and would now have to be monitored and

> all kinds of nonsense.... "

>

> My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even

> believe that people would respond this way (even the

> advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're

> child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c

> she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!

> Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your

> choice and I support you. Don't let people like that

> bother you.

>

> Kellie

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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" 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is. "

What a good point!

maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:

Please do not tell other people about your decision

not to vaccinate your child.

1. it is none of their business.

2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

3. People do not understand.

4. You are only hurting yourself.

5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is.

--- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:

>

>

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League

> playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI

> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended

> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was

> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking

> about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and

> then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my

> DD. Well she then informed me that she works for

> Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I

> thought that was the end of it, but then she started

> emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her

> doctor said she and her unborn child had been

> exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she

> was at risk and would now have to be monitored and

> all kinds of nonsense.... "

>

> My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even

> believe that people would respond this way (even the

> advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're

> child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c

> she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!

> Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your

> choice and I support you. Don't let people like that

> bother you.

>

> Kellie

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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what r hippa laws?-joanna

Vaccinations@...: kellie_uaccm@...: Thu, 1 Nov

2007 19:23:00 -0700Subject: Re: rant don't say

" 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be thehysteria about not

vacinating that there is. " What a good point!maureen gradvohl

<mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:Please do not tell other people about your

decisionnot to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business.2. It is a

violation of HIPPA laws.3. People do not understand.4. You are only hurting

yourself.5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be thehysteria about not

vacinating that there is. --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:> >

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League> playgroups at a woman's

home. You would think a LLLI> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It

ended> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was> also 8 months

pregnant. Well we started talking> about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies

and> then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my> DD. Well she then

informed me that she works for> Merck and that she didn't understand that at

all. I> thought that was the end of it, but then she started> emailing me and

calling me hysterically saying her> doctor said she and her unborn child had

been> exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she> was at risk and would

now have to be monitored and> all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is

" OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even> believe that people would respond this way (even

the> advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're> child is putting a

" death sentence " on others b/c> she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness

sake!> Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your> choice and I

support you. Don't let people like that> bother you. > > Kellie> >

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Sorry, I misspelled it.

It is HIPAA laws

see www.hipaa.org

It has to do with confidentiality and health records.

--- joanna swan <joannalswan@...> wrote:

>

> what r hippa laws?-joanna

>

>

> Vaccinations@...:

> kellie_uaccm@...: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:23:00

> -0700Subject: Re: rant don't say

>

>

>

>

> " 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be

> thehysteria about not vacinating that there is.

> " What a good point!maureen gradvohl

> <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:Please do not tell

> other people about your decisionnot to vaccinate

> your child. 1. it is none of their business.2. It is

> a violation of HIPPA laws.3. People do not

> understand.4. You are only hurting yourself.5. If

> vaccines really worked, there would not be

> thehysteria about not vacinating that there is. ---

> Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:> > >

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League>

> playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a

> LLLI> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It

> ended> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters.

> She was> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started

> talking> about AP parenting, and homeopathic

> remedies and> then I brought up the fact that I

> don't vaccinate my> DD. Well she then informed me

> that she works for> Merck and that she didn't

> understand that at all. I> thought that was the end

> of it, but then she started> emailing me and calling

> me hysterically saying her> doctor said she and her

> unborn child had been> exposed to all kinds of

> diseases from my DD and she> was at risk and would

> now have to be monitored and> all kinds of

> nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!!

> I can't even> believe that people would respond this

> way (even the> advice from the doctor). That's

> crazy!! Like..you're> child is putting a " death

> sentence " on others b/c> she hasn't been

> vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!> Are you kidding?

> She needs to get a life!! It's your> choice and I

> support you. Don't let people like that> bother you.

> > > Kellie> >

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Um, it's not technically a violation of HIPAA....not trying to split hairs or

anything, but HIPAA laws apply to the medical field using patients' health

information and to whom they can release it to or reveal things to. What you do

with your own records or your own health choices (whether to tell people or not

about what you do) has nothing to do with HIPAA.

Lori

Re: rant don't say

Please do not tell other people about your decision

not to vaccinate your child.

1. it is none of their business.

2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

3. People do not understand.

4. You are only hurting yourself.

5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is.

--- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:

>

>

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League

> playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI

> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended

> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was

> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking

> about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and

> then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my

> DD. Well she then informed me that she works for

> Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I

> thought that was the end of it, but then she started

> emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her

> doctor said she and her unborn child had been

> exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she

> was at risk and would now have to be monitored and

> all kinds of nonsense.... "

>

> My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even

> believe that people would respond this way (even the

> advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're

> child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c

> she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!

> Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your

> choice and I support you. Don't let people like that

> bother you.

>

> Kellie

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Technically you are correct.

It is your child's health records, not yours. A

parent should honor this fact and shut up.

I have known personally of people who announced

publicly to others the fact that a parent did not vax

their child. One case was in a church in which the

minister was a relative of the local pediatrician.

The pediatrician of course violated HIPAA and the

confidence of the patient and told the minister who

announced the fact to the congregation. Such utter

rudeness and outrage. Honestly, some people think

they are G-d!

--- Lori Miner <thefragile73931@...> wrote:

> Um, it's not technically a violation of HIPAA....not

> trying to split hairs or anything, but HIPAA laws

> apply to the medical field using patients' health

> information and to whom they can release it to or

> reveal things to. What you do with your own records

> or your own health choices (whether to tell people

> or not about what you do) has nothing to do with

> HIPAA.

> Lori

> Re: rant don't say

>

>

> Please do not tell other people about your

> decision

> not to vaccinate your child.

>

> 1. it is none of their business.

> 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

> 3. People do not understand.

> 4. You are only hurting yourself.

> 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be

> the

> hysteria about not vacinating that there is.

>

> --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League

> > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a

> LLLI

> > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It

> ended

> > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She

> was

> > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking

> > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and

> > then I brought up the fact that I don't

> vaccinate my

> > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for

> > Merck and that she didn't understand that at

> all. I

> > thought that was the end of it, but then she

> started

> > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying

> her

> > doctor said she and her unborn child had been

> > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and

> she

> > was at risk and would now have to be monitored

> and

> > all kinds of nonsense.... "

> >

> > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even

> > believe that people would respond this way (even

> the

> > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!!

> Like..you're

> > child is putting a " death sentence " on others

> b/c

> > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness

> sake!

> > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's

> your

> > choice and I support you. Don't let people like

> that

> > bother you.

> >

> > Kellie

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________

> >

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That is straight up one of the craziest things I have ever heard, I

think that woman has something seriously wrong!, poor other moms she

offers her help to! I might've reported her.

I was reading the other things on the board and don't you think that

the vaxed, who should feel more secure and have some understanding

of disease really get wacko over the idea of running into an unvaxed

child (who isn't even ill). What about the vaxed children who get

ill, or the adults, what would they say about that hmm. Monitored

for what exactly! most risk is to first trimester, she has no risk,

crazy woman. I hate that argument that babies need vaxing as

pregnant people might get something or the old might get flu...not

my problem really if they have no immunity or are weakened through

their own choices. I met my friends unvaxed 3 mth old other day

(I'm 4 mths pg) and it didn't bother me whatsoever...I had disease

as a child and will even give my unborn that immunity.

There's disease in the world, even the WHO says 2nd most effective

remedy is clean water and sanitation, and everyone knows diet and

lifestyle and early treatment resolve normal things. I bet she

sterilises her mail too.

You can't have a reasonable, logical discussion with people that

react so crazy.

Cath (uk)

In Vaccinations , Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a

woman's home. You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded,

right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and our 2 daughters.

She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about AP

parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact

that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she

works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I

thought that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and

calling me hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn

child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she

was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of

nonsense.... "

>

> My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that

people would respond this way (even the advice from the doctor).

That's crazy!! Like..you're child is putting a " death sentence " on

others b/c she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are

you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your choice and I

support you. Don't let people like that bother you.

>

> Kellie

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Thanks Kellie

She really did call up hysterical twice, basically telling me I was putting her

unborn child is harm's way and how could I be so mean! Literally, we spoke

maybe one sentence in the entire 2 hour playgroup about vaccinations. As soon

as she told me she worked for Merck, I shut up. I have never in my life heard

of anyone so indoctrinated. Maybe Merck has a brainwashing department (hee,

hee)

Anyway, thanks for the support.

" " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home.

You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up

only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well

we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I

brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that

she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that

was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically

saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of

diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and

all kinds of nonsense.... "

My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that people would

respond this way (even the advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're

child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c she hasn't been

vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!!

It's your choice and I support you. Don't let people like that bother you.

Kellie "

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I am definitely more careful about the people with whom I share my vaccination

thoughts. But surprisingly most people I have found to be very open about it.

I didn't think our family would understand but no one has really bothered us at

all. I totally agree with point 5. And I tried to tell this woman that but of

course she didn't listen. I think part of it was her subconscious guilt that I

might be right!

" Please do not tell other people about your decision

not to vaccinate your child.

1. it is none of their business.

2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

3. People do not understand.

4. You are only hurting yourself.

5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is. "

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It is so funny because they say the moms who don't vaccinate are " crazy " or

" hysterical " and the only person I think is certifiable is a person who TOTALLY

vaccinates!! I just can't believe a doctor would traumatize a woman so

pregnant! I was more angry at him than her. I do try to think the best of

people though, and I hope her outbursts were just because she was so far along.

Thanks for the support

" That is straight up one of the craziest things I have ever heard, I

think that woman has something seriously wrong!, poor other moms she

offers her help to! I might've reported her.

I was reading the other things on the board and don't you think that

the vaxed, who should feel more secure and have some understanding

of disease really get wacko over the idea of running into an unvaxed

child (who isn't even ill). What about the vaxed children who get

ill, or the adults, what would they say about that hmm. Monitored

for what exactly! most risk is to first trimester, she has no risk,

crazy woman. I hate that argument that babies need vaxing as

pregnant people might get something or the old might get flu...not

my problem really if they have no immunity or are weakened through

their own choices. I met my friends unvaxed 3 mth old other day

(I'm 4 mths pg) and it didn't bother me whatsoever...I had disease

as a child and will even give my unborn that immunity.

There's disease in the world, even the WHO says 2nd most effective

remedy is clean water and sanitation, and everyone knows diet and

lifestyle and early treatment resolve normal things. I bet she

sterilises her mail too.

You can't have a reasonable, logical discussion with people that

react so crazy.

Cath (uk) "

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Personally I tell people. But if they get their back up about it, I don't bring

up the subject again. It is easy to tell if someone wants to hear more or not.

And I haven't had anyone personally attack me on it. But things are way more

easy going where I live. I haven't had anyone oppose me yet. Just some don't

like talking about it.

Fieldman

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I am definitely more careful about the people with whom I share my vaccination

thoughts. But surprisingly most people I have found to be very open about it. I

didn't think our family would understand but no one has really bothered us at

all. I totally agree with point 5. And I tried to tell this woman that but of

course she didn't listen. I think part of it was her subconscious guilt that I

might be right!

" Please do not tell other people about your decision

not to vaccinate your child.

1. it is none of their business.

2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.

3. People do not understand.

4. You are only hurting yourself.

5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the

hysteria about not vacinating that there is. "

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A HIPPA vololation not a small deal, someone should have done the

right thing and reported the doctor. He is in gross violation of

paitient rights. It's only when people stand idly by and let people

get away with it that such things occur, in addition Ministers also

take a vow to protect people privacy, he should have stoped the Doctor

and in turn shouldn't have futher violated the confidence of the

paitient, personally they both sound like lossers and someone should

let the legal body's that these two quacks report to know what they

are up too.

Doctors can and should lose their practice over such things.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League

> > > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a

> > LLLI

> > > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It

> > ended

> > > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She

> > was

> > > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking

> > > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and

> > > then I brought up the fact that I don't

> > vaccinate my

> > > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for

> > > Merck and that she didn't understand that at

> > all. I

> > > thought that was the end of it, but then she

> > started

> > > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying

> > her

> > > doctor said she and her unborn child had been

> > > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and

> > she

> > > was at risk and would now have to be monitored

> > and

> > > all kinds of nonsense.... "

> > >

> > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even

> > > believe that people would respond this way (even

> > the

> > > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!!

> > Like..you're

> > > child is putting a " death sentence " on others

> > b/c

> > > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness

> > sake!

> > > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's

> > your

> > > choice and I support you. Don't let people like

> > that

> > > bother you.

> > >

> > > Kellie

> > >

> > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > >

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