Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 We do not have to tell people that we don't vaccinate and reasons. If they ask or topic comes up I have chosen not to make it an issue just say that is our choice just like you have choices in your lives that we might disagree on we have made this choice. Huff <piersonhuff@...> wrote: " Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup uncomfortable. They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are very nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening. Holly " Holly Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of nonsense. When I explained to her that just walking around she is exposed to lots of things and told her she shouldn't worry because she didn't know who she came in contact with on a day to day basis that didn't vaccinate and she accused me of threatening her! Anyway, you just can't be aware of people's prejudices. Even though our leader reached out to her, she decided to quit coming to LLL. I have decided to be very judicial with whom I share any info about Teryn not being vaccinated. I have also joined my local Holistic Moms network because most everyone there also does not vax or limits their vaccinations. If you go to mothering.com and click on find your tribe, perhaps there is one in your area. I hope you find some like minded folks to have playgroups with! Huff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of nonsense.... " My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that people would respond this way (even the advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your choice and I support you. Don't let people like that bother you. Kellie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Please do not tell other people about your decision not to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business. 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. 3. People do not understand. 4. You are only hurting yourself. 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote: > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and > then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for > Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I > thought that was the end of it, but then she started > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her > doctor said she and her unborn child had been > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she > was at risk and would now have to be monitored and > all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even > believe that people would respond this way (even the > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're > child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your > choice and I support you. Don't let people like that > bother you. > > Kellie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 " 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. " What a good point! maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote: Please do not tell other people about your decision not to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business. 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. 3. People do not understand. 4. You are only hurting yourself. 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote: > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and > then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for > Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I > thought that was the end of it, but then she started > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her > doctor said she and her unborn child had been > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she > was at risk and would now have to be monitored and > all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even > believe that people would respond this way (even the > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're > child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your > choice and I support you. Don't let people like that > bother you. > > Kellie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 what r hippa laws?-joanna Vaccinations@...: kellie_uaccm@...: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:23:00 -0700Subject: Re: rant don't say " 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be thehysteria about not vacinating that there is. " What a good point!maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:Please do not tell other people about your decisionnot to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business.2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws.3. People do not understand.4. You are only hurting yourself.5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be thehysteria about not vacinating that there is. --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:> > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League> playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking> about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and> then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my> DD. Well she then informed me that she works for> Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I> thought that was the end of it, but then she started> emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her> doctor said she and her unborn child had been> exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she> was at risk and would now have to be monitored and> all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even> believe that people would respond this way (even the> advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're> child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c> she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!> Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your> choice and I support you. Don't let people like that> bother you. > > Kellie> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Sorry, I misspelled it. It is HIPAA laws see www.hipaa.org It has to do with confidentiality and health records. --- joanna swan <joannalswan@...> wrote: > > what r hippa laws?-joanna > > > Vaccinations@...: > kellie_uaccm@...: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:23:00 > -0700Subject: Re: rant don't say > > > > > " 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be > thehysteria about not vacinating that there is. > " What a good point!maureen gradvohl > <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:Please do not tell > other people about your decisionnot to vaccinate > your child. 1. it is none of their business.2. It is > a violation of HIPPA laws.3. People do not > understand.4. You are only hurting yourself.5. If > vaccines really worked, there would not be > thehysteria about not vacinating that there is. --- > Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote:> > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League> > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a > LLLI> member would be open-minded, right? Well, It > ended> up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. > She was> also 8 months pregnant. Well we started > talking> about AP parenting, and homeopathic > remedies and> then I brought up the fact that I > don't vaccinate my> DD. Well she then informed me > that she works for> Merck and that she didn't > understand that at all. I> thought that was the end > of it, but then she started> emailing me and calling > me hysterically saying her> doctor said she and her > unborn child had been> exposed to all kinds of > diseases from my DD and she> was at risk and would > now have to be monitored and> all kinds of > nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! > I can't even> believe that people would respond this > way (even the> advice from the doctor). That's > crazy!! Like..you're> child is putting a " death > sentence " on others b/c> she hasn't been > vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake!> Are you kidding? > She needs to get a life!! It's your> choice and I > support you. Don't let people like that> bother you. > > > Kellie> > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Um, it's not technically a violation of HIPAA....not trying to split hairs or anything, but HIPAA laws apply to the medical field using patients' health information and to whom they can release it to or reveal things to. What you do with your own records or your own health choices (whether to tell people or not about what you do) has nothing to do with HIPAA. Lori Re: rant don't say Please do not tell other people about your decision not to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business. 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. 3. People do not understand. 4. You are only hurting yourself. 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote: > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and > then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for > Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I > thought that was the end of it, but then she started > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her > doctor said she and her unborn child had been > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she > was at risk and would now have to be monitored and > all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even > believe that people would respond this way (even the > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're > child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your > choice and I support you. Don't let people like that > bother you. > > Kellie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Technically you are correct. It is your child's health records, not yours. A parent should honor this fact and shut up. I have known personally of people who announced publicly to others the fact that a parent did not vax their child. One case was in a church in which the minister was a relative of the local pediatrician. The pediatrician of course violated HIPAA and the confidence of the patient and told the minister who announced the fact to the congregation. Such utter rudeness and outrage. Honestly, some people think they are G-d! --- Lori Miner <thefragile73931@...> wrote: > Um, it's not technically a violation of HIPAA....not > trying to split hairs or anything, but HIPAA laws > apply to the medical field using patients' health > information and to whom they can release it to or > reveal things to. What you do with your own records > or your own health choices (whether to tell people > or not about what you do) has nothing to do with > HIPAA. > Lori > Re: rant don't say > > > Please do not tell other people about your > decision > not to vaccinate your child. > > 1. it is none of their business. > 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. > 3. People do not understand. > 4. You are only hurting yourself. > 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be > the > hysteria about not vacinating that there is. > > --- Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote: > > > > > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League > > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a > LLLI > > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It > ended > > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She > was > > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking > > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and > > then I brought up the fact that I don't > vaccinate my > > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for > > Merck and that she didn't understand that at > all. I > > thought that was the end of it, but then she > started > > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying > her > > doctor said she and her unborn child had been > > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and > she > > was at risk and would now have to be monitored > and > > all kinds of nonsense.... " > > > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even > > believe that people would respond this way (even > the > > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! > Like..you're > > child is putting a " death sentence " on others > b/c > > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness > sake! > > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's > your > > choice and I support you. Don't let people like > that > > bother you. > > > > Kellie > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 That is straight up one of the craziest things I have ever heard, I think that woman has something seriously wrong!, poor other moms she offers her help to! I might've reported her. I was reading the other things on the board and don't you think that the vaxed, who should feel more secure and have some understanding of disease really get wacko over the idea of running into an unvaxed child (who isn't even ill). What about the vaxed children who get ill, or the adults, what would they say about that hmm. Monitored for what exactly! most risk is to first trimester, she has no risk, crazy woman. I hate that argument that babies need vaxing as pregnant people might get something or the old might get flu...not my problem really if they have no immunity or are weakened through their own choices. I met my friends unvaxed 3 mth old other day (I'm 4 mths pg) and it didn't bother me whatsoever...I had disease as a child and will even give my unborn that immunity. There's disease in the world, even the WHO says 2nd most effective remedy is clean water and sanitation, and everyone knows diet and lifestyle and early treatment resolve normal things. I bet she sterilises her mail too. You can't have a reasonable, logical discussion with people that react so crazy. Cath (uk) In Vaccinations , Kellie <kellie_uaccm@...> wrote: > > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of nonsense.... " > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that people would respond this way (even the advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your choice and I support you. Don't let people like that bother you. > > Kellie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Thanks Kellie She really did call up hysterical twice, basically telling me I was putting her unborn child is harm's way and how could I be so mean! Literally, we spoke maybe one sentence in the entire 2 hour playgroup about vaccinations. As soon as she told me she worked for Merck, I shut up. I have never in my life heard of anyone so indoctrinated. Maybe Merck has a brainwashing department (hee, hee) Anyway, thanks for the support. " " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of nonsense.... " My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even believe that people would respond this way (even the advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! Like..you're child is putting a " death sentence " on others b/c she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness sake! Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's your choice and I support you. Don't let people like that bother you. Kellie " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I am definitely more careful about the people with whom I share my vaccination thoughts. But surprisingly most people I have found to be very open about it. I didn't think our family would understand but no one has really bothered us at all. I totally agree with point 5. And I tried to tell this woman that but of course she didn't listen. I think part of it was her subconscious guilt that I might be right! " Please do not tell other people about your decision not to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business. 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. 3. People do not understand. 4. You are only hurting yourself. 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 It is so funny because they say the moms who don't vaccinate are " crazy " or " hysterical " and the only person I think is certifiable is a person who TOTALLY vaccinates!! I just can't believe a doctor would traumatize a woman so pregnant! I was more angry at him than her. I do try to think the best of people though, and I hope her outbursts were just because she was so far along. Thanks for the support " That is straight up one of the craziest things I have ever heard, I think that woman has something seriously wrong!, poor other moms she offers her help to! I might've reported her. I was reading the other things on the board and don't you think that the vaxed, who should feel more secure and have some understanding of disease really get wacko over the idea of running into an unvaxed child (who isn't even ill). What about the vaxed children who get ill, or the adults, what would they say about that hmm. Monitored for what exactly! most risk is to first trimester, she has no risk, crazy woman. I hate that argument that babies need vaxing as pregnant people might get something or the old might get flu...not my problem really if they have no immunity or are weakened through their own choices. I met my friends unvaxed 3 mth old other day (I'm 4 mths pg) and it didn't bother me whatsoever...I had disease as a child and will even give my unborn that immunity. There's disease in the world, even the WHO says 2nd most effective remedy is clean water and sanitation, and everyone knows diet and lifestyle and early treatment resolve normal things. I bet she sterilises her mail too. You can't have a reasonable, logical discussion with people that react so crazy. Cath (uk) " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Personally I tell people. But if they get their back up about it, I don't bring up the subject again. It is easy to tell if someone wants to hear more or not. And I haven't had anyone personally attack me on it. But things are way more easy going where I live. I haven't had anyone oppose me yet. Just some don't like talking about it. Fieldman Re: rant don't say I am definitely more careful about the people with whom I share my vaccination thoughts. But surprisingly most people I have found to be very open about it. I didn't think our family would understand but no one has really bothered us at all. I totally agree with point 5. And I tried to tell this woman that but of course she didn't listen. I think part of it was her subconscious guilt that I might be right! " Please do not tell other people about your decision not to vaccinate your child. 1. it is none of their business. 2. It is a violation of HIPPA laws. 3. People do not understand. 4. You are only hurting yourself. 5. If vaccines really worked, there would not be the hysteria about not vacinating that there is. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 A HIPPA vololation not a small deal, someone should have done the right thing and reported the doctor. He is in gross violation of paitient rights. It's only when people stand idly by and let people get away with it that such things occur, in addition Ministers also take a vow to protect people privacy, he should have stoped the Doctor and in turn shouldn't have futher violated the confidence of the paitient, personally they both sound like lossers and someone should let the legal body's that these two quacks report to know what they are up too. Doctors can and should lose their practice over such things. > > > > > > > > > > > " Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League > > > playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a > > LLLI > > > member would be open-minded, right? Well, It > > ended > > > up only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She > > was > > > also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking > > > about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and > > > then I brought up the fact that I don't > > vaccinate my > > > DD. Well she then informed me that she works for > > > Merck and that she didn't understand that at > > all. I > > > thought that was the end of it, but then she > > started > > > emailing me and calling me hysterically saying > > her > > > doctor said she and her unborn child had been > > > exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD and > > she > > > was at risk and would now have to be monitored > > and > > > all kinds of nonsense.... " > > > > > > My only thought is " OH MY GOSH " !!! I can't even > > > believe that people would respond this way (even > > the > > > advice from the doctor). That's crazy!! > > Like..you're > > > child is putting a " death sentence " on others > > b/c > > > she hasn't been vaccinated?!!...For goodness > > sake! > > > Are you kidding? She needs to get a life!! It's > > your > > > choice and I support you. Don't let people like > > that > > > bother you. > > > > > > Kellie > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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