Re: Japanese measles epidemic

[Guest guest]

> That's because I do know healthy vaxed children (as well as

> unhealthy ones) and so I didn't think we could really generalise

> about this. Of course, these kids may be unhealthy down the track,

> too.

>

> Hope that makes sense,

> Carly.

>

My daughter has never been vaxed, or given antibiotics or fever

reducers, but she has been sick plenty in her 11 months. Whether or

not a child gets a cold, flu, or even chickenpox, does not tell you

whether they are healthy or unhealthy inside. How their body responds

to the illness can tell you some of this information. She has never

had a complication from anything including the flu and the chickenpox,

which she just got over recently. Never even had an ear infection,

like my son did. So, the fact that she got over her illnesses rather

easily without complications tells me that she is pretty healthy

inside and her immune system is behaving properly.

There are definetly vaxed kids out there with healthy immune systems,

but that does not discount the ones who are damaged by vaccines.

Everyone's body is different and will respond differently to

vaccines. It is almost impossible to prove that a vaccine damaged a

child, but I have to assume that injecting foreign substances into the

body is a likely cause if that child gets sick after a vaccine.

Many vaccine damaged kids are unhealthy deep down (chronically). But,

this is not only happening to some vaccinated kids, it also happens to

unvaxed kids for other reasons. There are many ways to get to a state

of chronic bad health. Vaccines are only one way for some kids. Many

kids who have been given vaccines were already sick inside before the

vaccine and the vaccines would likely only do more damage to their

immune system.

You are right that you can not generalise about how a vaccine is going

to affect any particular child, but what is being done is saying that

this is what happens to some children who receive a vaccine. Like I

said, just because one child does not get sick from a vaccine does not

discount that that is what has happened to another child. Of course,

you really don't know who is chronically sick or not in some cases.

I have heard many people saying how they are not chronically ill. I

would like to say the same, but I know that chronic illness lives in

you and you may not exhibit symptoms till years down the road. There

may be little signs here and there. For me, I get styes and other

little symptoms. I feel that I probably have some underlying

condition that is just lerking under the surface, as my body is

attempting to return to a state of balance.

Tara

[Guest guest]

HI Tara,

Yes, I have seen how these things can pan out unpredicably. My

eldest dd (7) was vaxed up to 18months. My youngest dd (5) only had

the HepB shot as a newborn (before I had researched).

My eldest had slight eczema, febrile convulsions (not after a vax)

and apart from that no health worries. My youngest has had nothing

wrong at all - until this year when I found out she has coeliac

disease (which I have). SO just when I was feeling good about her

good health and patting myself on the back (and as well as her being

almost unvaxed, I breastfed her for 2.5 years) she throws me for a

loop! That's what kids are for, I guess!

I think my eldest has been one of the lucky ones. All around me seem

to be kids with asthma or other health problems. She has been lucky

so far. I also put this down to her amazing zest for life - I think

emotional health is also a big part of the equation...though not the

only part.

So, in conclusion...do you think it would be more accurate to say -

" a *good portion* of people who are vaccinated have latent viral

activity that prevents them from contracting the acute disease. This

explains, in part, why vaccines appear to prevent disease. " ?

Carly.

[Guest guest]

>

> So, in conclusion...do you think it would be more accurate to say -

>

> " a *good portion* of people who are vaccinated have latent viral

> activity that prevents them from contracting the acute disease. This

> explains, in part, why vaccines appear to prevent disease. " ?

>

> Carly.

>

Yes, Carly. I would agree to this statement.

Tara

[Guest guest]

What an excellent post. Tara. You have summarised the entire issue so well.

The only addition I would make to your commentary is that I consider that

all vaccines damage. Certainly the degree differs from person to person,

and the nature of the damage and its manifestations may not be apparent

immediately, but the damage is there, imnsho. And when conditions are

right, it will come to the surface.

Sue

Tara said:

> My daughter has never been vaxed, or given antibiotics or fever

> reducers, but she has been sick plenty in her 11 months. Whether or

> not a child gets a cold, flu, or even chickenpox, does not tell you

> whether they are healthy or unhealthy inside. How their body responds

> to the illness can tell you some of this information. She has never

> had a complication from anything including the flu and the chickenpox,

> which she just got over recently. Never even had an ear infection,

> like my son did. So, the fact that she got over her illnesses rather

> easily without complications tells me that she is pretty healthy

> inside and her immune system is behaving properly.

>

> There are definetly vaxed kids out there with healthy immune systems,

> but that does not discount the ones who are damaged by vaccines.

> Everyone's body is different and will respond differently to

> vaccines. It is almost impossible to prove that a vaccine damaged a

> child, but I have to assume that injecting foreign substances into the

> body is a likely cause if that child gets sick after a vaccine.

>

> Many vaccine damaged kids are unhealthy deep down (chronically). But,

> this is not only happening to some vaccinated kids, it also happens to

> unvaxed kids for other reasons. There are many ways to get to a state

> of chronic bad health. Vaccines are only one way for some kids. Many

> kids who have been given vaccines were already sick inside before the

> vaccine and the vaccines would likely only do more damage to their

> immune system.

>

> You are right that you can not generalise about how a vaccine is going

> to affect any particular child, but what is being done is saying that

> this is what happens to some children who receive a vaccine. Like I

> said, just because one child does not get sick from a vaccine does not

> discount that that is what has happened to another child. Of course,

> you really don't know who is chronically sick or not in some cases.

>

> I have heard many people saying how they are not chronically ill. I

> would like to say the same, but I know that chronic illness lives in

> you and you may not exhibit symptoms till years down the road. There

> may be little signs here and there. For me, I get styes and other

> little symptoms. I feel that I probably have some underlying

> condition that is just lerking under the surface, as my body is

> attempting to return to a state of balance.

>

> Tara

>

[Guest guest]

Vaccines have never prevented any disease! They only make the receiver more

likely to get the disease if they are exposed to it. The so called protective

ingredient in the vaccine isn't the real thing. In other words, it is attenuated

or modified in some other way so as to not cause the receiver to get the disease

immediately. When they gave the real thing, as in the polio disaster in the

1950's, over 50,000 people got polio from the vaccine. I know a man in Georgia

that was and still is one of the victims. His left leg is like a bean poll and

about six inches shorter than his right leg. Check this out. In every outbreak

of illness that a population has been vaccinated for, the ones most likely to

get the illness are the vaccinated population. I have read of dozens of

outbreaks and this is always the case. Vaccines only harm and maim and kill

people.

Tara Maue <orrin_reilly@...> wrote:

>

> So, in conclusion...do you think it would be more accurate to say -

>

> " a *good portion* of people who are vaccinated have latent viral

> activity that prevents them from contracting the acute disease. This

> explains, in part, why vaccines appear to prevent disease. " ?

>

> Carly.

>

Yes, Carly. I would agree to this statement.

Tara

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[Guest guest]

" The truth is often we just have to plant a seed and leave it at that.

Tough to do.

Angie "

Yes, I have gone through many stages since my research beginnings, the fanatic

stage, and the " have to tell everyone " stage, and at this point, I couldn't

agree more....planting a seed is as far as I go. I try hard to emote love while

I'm mentioning a seed, I can only hope....

If then, there is more questions, I am HAPPY to discuss! Always keeping in

mind, that there will be a hard time for that parent, if they have already

vaxxed, so again, I try hard to remember to emote love.

I also agree about turning the term " fanatic " into " passionate " THAT is much

more correct!!! PASSIONATE!!!!

Cassie in Idaho

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

[Guest guest]

>

> I always wonder with this argument though, isn't most of the

population vaxed? So obviously there would be more of them to get

it? Not sure, and I agree vax are bad, but I'm just curious about

that.

>

>

Yes, I've always wondered if that argument is legit. If 50 people

get measles and 45 of them are vaxed; then is makes it sound like

the vax doesn't work. But in most populations the vaxed

significantly outweigh the unvaxed, so the percentage will be

higher. I guess the pro-vaxers would say there would be many more

who would've gotten the disease if not for being vaxed. And they say

the vaccines are only 90% effective, most of them anyway. So those

45 people could've made up that other 10%.

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Take that 1,000 vaxed and 1,000 unvaxed people are exposed to the chicken

pox. A lot more of the 1,000 vaxed will get it than the 1,000 unvaxed. In

various countries in Europe where it was mandated that all people receive a

particular vax (and up to 98% did), they were always followed

by a serious outbreak of the disease vaxed for. If you don't get the vax, it

doesn't mean that you are immune to the disease. It just means you are less

likely to get it and, if you do get it, it will probably be a mild case.

When a doctor says that a vaccine is safe and effective, ask him to DRINK one!

I remember some one who offered a group of pediatric doctors $1,000.00 to drink

a MMR vaccine. NO takers! Gee, SAFE and effective? :-)

It goes on and on. This American population has been exposed to vaccine

propaganda all of it's life. Most people just can't or won't realize that they

have been coned. That's the problem but thanks to chat groups like this and

others around the world, more and more people are beginning to realize they have

been conned.

Just like the party line about global warming is a fraud. Most people believe it

because of the medias' constant blitz of propaganda about it.

We live in a world of lies.

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote:

I always wonder with this argument though, isn't most of the population vaxed?

So obviously there would be more of them to get it? Not sure, and I agree vax

are bad, but I'm just curious about that.

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Vaccines have never prevented any disease! They only make the receiver more

likely to get the disease if they are exposed to it. The so called protective

ingredient in the vaccine isn't the real thing. In other words, it is attenuated

or modified in some other way so as to not cause the receiver to get the disease

immediately. When they gave the real thing, as in the polio disaster in the

1950's, over 50,000 people got polio from the vaccine. I know a man in Georgia

that was and still is one of the victims. His left leg is like a bean poll and

about six inches shorter than his right leg. Check this out. In every outbreak

of illness that a population has been vaccinated for, the ones most likely to

get the illness are the vaccinated population. I have read of dozens of

outbreaks and this is always the case. Vaccines only harm and maim and kill

people.

[Guest guest]

It's funny, I mentioned the drinking offer to someone who is so pro vaxx she

makes us look like church mice and her comment was, " It's not safe to drink a

lot of things, but you can still use them for vaccines. "

Uh, yeah, much safer to inject it right into your blood stream than to drink

it and let your kidneys and liver do the work.............what freaking

ever................

ph McGuire <kingcop@...> wrote:

Take that 1,000 vaxed and 1,000 unvaxed people are exposed to the

chicken pox. A lot more of the 1,000 vaxed will get it than the 1,000 unvaxed.

In various countries in Europe where it was mandated that all people receive a

particular vax (and up to 98% did), they were always followed

by a serious outbreak of the disease vaxed for. If you don't get the vax, it

doesn't mean that you are immune to the disease. It just means you are less

likely to get it and, if you do get it, it will probably be a mild case.

When a doctor says that a vaccine is safe and effective, ask him to DRINK one!

I remember some one who offered a group of pediatric doctors $1,000.00 to drink

a MMR vaccine. NO takers! Gee, SAFE and effective? :-)

It goes on and on. This American population has been exposed to vaccine

propaganda all of it's life. Most people just can't or won't realize that they

have been coned. That's the problem but thanks to chat groups like this and

others around the world, more and more people are beginning to realize they have

been conned.

Just like the party line about global warming is a fraud. Most people believe it

because of the medias' constant blitz of propaganda about it.

We live in a world of lies.

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote: I always wonder with this

argument though, isn't most of the population vaxed? So obviously there would be

more of them to get it? Not sure, and I agree vax are bad, but I'm just curious

about that.

) ~ Mommy To Gavin (07/05) & New Year baby on the way ~

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Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized Clothing

Designs

" Families Eating Healthy " - recipes & more

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Vaccines have never prevented any disease! They only make the receiver more

likely to get the disease if they are exposed to it. The so called protective

ingredient in the vaccine isn't the real thing. In other words, it is attenuated

or modified in some other way so as to not cause the receiver to get the disease

immediately. When they gave the real thing, as in the polio disaster in the

1950's, over 50,000 people got polio from the vaccine. I know a man in Georgia

that was and still is one of the victims. His left leg is like a bean poll and

about six inches shorter than his right leg. Check this out. In every outbreak

of illness that a population has been vaccinated for, the ones most likely to

get the illness are the vaccinated population. I have read of dozens of

outbreaks and this is always the case. Vaccines only harm and maim and kill

people.

[Guest guest]

As I read this all I can think is that I was not vaxed for measles, nor was

my brother nor any other kid where I grew up (NYC) -- the vax did not

exist. I can also tell you, we got measles (I was in my late teens, my

brother was much younger) and we survived. I can't recall anyone in the

neighborhood getting pneumonia or brain inflammation, let alone dying. Moms

back then actually exposed their kids to others kids with certain diseases

(measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc.) in the hopes that they would get it as a

child and have immunity for life.

That said, my heart goes out to the families of those that died, but I

wonder how healthy they were to start with and what kind of medical

attention they received after contracting the measles.

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On 5/27/07, carly10475 <poppetspaws@...> wrote:

>

> Would be interested in any thoughts on this one? Do you think this

> means that our double vaxing for measles means we have far less

> mealses; as opposed to Japan?

>

> *****************************************************************

>

> Japanese measles epidemic brings campuses to standstill

>

> Norrie in Tokyo

> May 27, 2007 - 4:54PM

>

>

> A rampant measles epidemic has infected hundreds of Japanese

> students and frightened Tokyo universities and schools into sending

> more than 160,000 students home.

>

> In just a few days the highly contagious illness has spread

> virulently from Tokyo to outlying areas, affecting potentially

> thousands of people in their late teens and 20s.

>

> The epidemic, believed to be Japan's worst in at least five years,

> has brought campuses to a standstill for more than a week. An

> unknown number of people have been hospitalised.

>

> On Sunday, Tokyo's Hosei University announced it was closing a

> second of its three campuses for eight days after 14 students were

> confirmed to have the illness. The university closed another campus

> last Thursday.

>

> About a dozen universities in the Tokyo area, together with a

> handful of other schools around the country, have suspended classes

> since mid-April because of measles outbreaks, according to media

> reports.

>

> The National Institute of Infectious Diseases (NIID) said 623 people

> are known to have contracted the illness between February 27 and May

> 27, compared to only 18 during the same period last year.

>

> The reasons why this year's outbreak has been so severe were not

> immediately clear. The Asahi Shimbun newspaper, citing unidentified

> experts, said a previous decline in the number of measles outbreaks

> may have lessened the efficacy of childhood vaccinations among the

> students, as exposure to the virus strengthens their effect.

>

> NIID said April to June were likely to be peak months for the virus

> to spread because of the concentration of graduation and

> matriculation ceremonies during that time.

>

> The Japanese school year ends in March and resumes in April.

>

> Health authorities are stunned at the rapid spread of the illness,

> which usually affects infants and only rarely strikes people in

> their 20s and older. Most Japanese in that age group have only been

> vaccinated once.

>

> Yoshinori Yasui, chief researcher at the NIID, said the problem was

> that " young people are considerably active during the incubation

> period between infection and the appearance of the rash, helping the

> virus to spread widely " .

>

> Measles is passed on by coughing and sneezing. It causes pneumonia

> in one out of 20 cases, and brain inflammation and death in one out

> of every 1000.

>

> Japan is the only developed country to still experience large

> measles epidemics. The US, which introduced a double vaccination

> program in 1989, and Australia, which phased in a booster shot for

> measles from 1994, have largely eradicated the disease.

>

> In Japan, however, the government bowed to strong public pressure in

> 1994 by repealing laws that made childhood immunisations mandatory.

> In 2000 there were an estimated 200,000 cases of measles and 88

> deaths.

>

> It was only last April that the National Institute of Infectious

> Diseases introduced a double vaccination program. But it would take

> at least a decade before the results of that could be seen,

> predicted Tatsuo Kato, president at the National Centre for Child

> Health and Development.

>

> The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has described

> Japan as a " measles exporter " , because it brings the illness into

> the US more frequently than any other country.

>

> In an editorial this week, The Asahi Shimbun called on the

> government " to show that it is committed to eliminating measles from

> this country " and " ridding Japan of the 'measles exporter' status as

> soon as possible " .

>

> " In a survey conducted last autumn, the inoculation rate for 1-year-

> olds was adequate, but the rate for the second shot was quite poor.

> It is necessary to make people, particularly parents, aware of the

> necessity and importance of double vaccinations. "

>

> In Tokyo, Waseda University suspended almost all classes for more

> than a week and sent home 55,000 undergraduate and graduate students

> when 30 people were diagnosed with measles. Nihon University ordered

> 27,000 students home until the end of next week after 91 students

> contracted the disease. More than 10 other campuses have also shut

> their doors.

>

> By last Friday almost 300 students at 104 Tokyo schools were

> diagnosed with measles, forcing the closure of nine schools. The

> number of students affected is now believed to be considerably

> higher.

>

> The illness is spreading to outer areas, such as Chiba, where at

> least 350 university and school students have contracted it, and

> Saitama, where a university has reported cases among its candidature.

>

> The World Health Organisation aims to eliminate measles from the

> Western Pacific area, including Japan, by 2012.

>

> - with AP

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Sorry I haven't been back on here to respond to your question. My

son was born 6weeks early but was a wonderful baby. almost too

easy. So happy. That all ended suddenly and we never knew why. He

started to not beable to breath at night. We had to use a nebulizer

with him. And the non-stop crying was awful. Night and day. Health

problems galore. We never tied it to the vaccines because I was

convinced that I had not started vaccines till 9 months.(we started

them in the 9th month, September) I had my second son when he was 13

months old so with all his crying, me working full time and a new

baby I was overwhelmed. My son was so hard to live with. Life was

hard. I was not vacced as a child so my concern was for me and if

vaccines could be bad for me if my kids were vacced. The Dr told me

that he couldn't get thge MMR so I knew that I was going to stop with

that one. I did get the chicken pox for him and that day I came home

and heared a report that wasn't so good about the chicken pox. That

scared me and I knew I was done. No one in my family had been

vaccinated up till this point. My son was the first.(almost everyone

in my husban's family had been vacced)

We had to then get them in school so I contacted Carley.(I

hope i spelled her name right.) She told me that my son was going to

have sever learning disabilities. she said I needed to detox him,

but not understanding I let it go. She had recognized all she

sighns and symptoms. We hired a lawer to get the kids into school.

All was well till we realized my son was not learning. We were told

over and over 'He's young' We finnally were able to get him

diagnosed as dyslexic. He is so sever they don't know if he will

ever learn the alphabit. He is 6 years old now and can't even write

his name. He knows only a few letters. He will repeat Kindergarden.

He also suffers from sever anxity. I only stumbled accross the

reasoning behind his problems because his teacher wanted info on how

bad vaccines are. I found an artical about Barbra Fishers son and

the DTP shot. I didn't think that it could be the same as my sons

because I didn't think that he had any combo shots. I checked his

records after a week of pondering it. He had 3 DTP shots in less

than 6 months. I then found a peice of paper that I had cut out from

a magazine when he was born and had taken into the Dr's. It was on

the DTP vaccine and stated 'Any child with a brain injury thats

getting worse should not get the DTP.' At 5 months of age how were

we to know if the brain injury was getting worse?? The brain injury

we were told would only affect his walking which we were lucky it

didn't. The Dr totally dismissed the paper. So I contacted

Carley again and she said she could detox him but just for her to

tell us how was 1800.00 that didn't include what you had to buy to

do the detox. I called my up line with Young living. He told me to

use Detoxzyme, Mineral Essence,

pD 80/20 super B, Chelex, and oils to use GLF, Juniper, Ledum, and

juva cleanse. He said to drink distilled water to pull all toxins

out. I have also started reiki with him. His attitude and outlook

on life has gotten much better since that. Just wish me luck with all

of this. I will be starting this in the next week as they will be

out of school this week. It will be a lot of work but well worth it

if it helps. If not he will be a lot healthier. We have changed his

eating too. Trying to do organic. Well hope this answers your

questions. Sorry this got sooooo long. I also left so much out.

Please contact me privatly if you want more info.

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Elissa

Young Living

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> > > Would be interested in any thoughts on this one? Do you

> > think this

> > > means that our double vaxing for measles means we have far less

> > > mealses; as opposed to Japan?

> > >

> > >

*****************************************************************

> > >

> > > Japanese measles epidemic brings campuses to standstill

> > >

> > > Norrie in Tokyo

> > > May 27, 2007 - 4:54PM

> > >

> > > A rampant measles epidemic has infected hundreds of Japanese

> > > students and frightened Tokyo universities and schools into

> sending

> > > more than 160,000 students home.

> > >

> > > In just a few days the highly contagious illness has spread

> > > virulently from Tokyo to outlying areas, affecting potentially

> > > thousands of people in their late teens and 20s.

> > >

> > > The epidemic, believed to be Japan's worst in at least five

> years,

> > > has brought campuses to a standstill for more than a week. An

> > > unknown number of people have been hospitalised.

> > >

> > > On Sunday, Tokyo's Hosei University announced it was closing a

> > > second of its three campuses for eight days after 14 students

> were

> > > confirmed to have the illness. The university closed another

> campus

> > > last Thursday.

> > >

> > > About a dozen universities in the Tokyo area, together with a

> > > handful of other schools around the country, have suspended

> classes

> > > since mid-April because of measles outbreaks, according to

media

> > > reports.

> > >

> > > The National Institute of Infectious Diseases (NIID) said 623

> > people

> > > are known to have contracted the illness between February 27

and

> > May

> > > 27, compared to only 18 during the same period last year.

> > >

> > > The reasons why this year's outbreak has been so severe were

not

> > > immediately clear. The Asahi Shimbun newspaper, citing

> unidentified

> > > experts, said a previous decline in the number of measles

> outbreaks

> > > may have lessened the efficacy of childhood vaccinations among

> the

> > > students, as exposure to the virus strengthens their effect.

> > >

> > > NIID said April to June were likely to be peak months for the

> virus

> > > to spread because of the concentration of graduation and

> > > matriculation ceremonies during that time.

> > >

> > > The Japanese school year ends in March and resumes in April.

> > >

> > > Health authorities are stunned at the rapid spread of the

> illness,

> > > which usually affects infants and only rarely strikes people in

> > > their 20s and older. Most Japanese in that age group have only

> been

> > > vaccinated once.

> > >

> > > Yoshinori Yasui, chief researcher at the NIID, said the problem

> was

> > > that " young people are considerably active during the

incubation

> > > period between infection and the appearance of the rash,

helping

> > the

> > > virus to spread widely " .

> > >

> > > Measles is passed on by coughing and sneezing. It causes

> pneumonia

> > > in one out of 20 cases, and brain inflammation and death in one

> out

> > > of every 1000.

> > >

> > > Japan is the only developed country to still experience large

> > > measles epidemics. The US, which introduced a double

vaccination

> > > program in 1989, and Australia, which phased in a booster shot

> for

> > > measles from 1994, have largely eradicated the disease.

> > >

> > > In Japan, however, the government bowed to strong public

pressure

> > in

> > > 1994 by repealing laws that made childhood immunisations

> mandatory.

> > > In 2000 there were an estimated 200,000 cases of measles and 88

> > > deaths.

> > >

> > > It was only last April that the National Institute of

Infectious

> > > Diseases introduced a double vaccination program. But it would

> take

> > > at least a decade before the results of that could be seen,

> > > predicted Tatsuo Kato, president at the National Centre for

Child

> > > Health and Development.

> > >

> > > The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has described

> > > Japan as a " measles exporter " , because it brings the illness

into

> > > the US more frequently than any other country.

> > >

> > > In an editorial this week, The Asahi Shimbun called on the

> > > government " to show that it is committed to eliminating measles

> > from

> > > this country " and " ridding Japan of the 'measles exporter'

status

> > as

> > > soon as possible " .

> > >

> > > " In a survey conducted last autumn, the inoculation rate for 1-

> year-

> > > olds was adequate, but the rate for the second shot was quite

> poor.

> > > It is necessary to make people, particularly parents, aware of

> the

> > > necessity and importance of double vaccinations. "

> > >

> > > In Tokyo, Waseda University suspended almost all classes for

more

> > > than a week and sent home 55,000 undergraduate and graduate

> > students

> > > when 30 people were diagnosed with measles. Nihon University

> > ordered

> > > 27,000 students home until the end of next week after 91

students

> > > contracted the disease. More than 10 other campuses have also

> shut

> > > their doors.

> > >

> > > By last Friday almost 300 students at 104 Tokyo schools were

> > > diagnosed with measles, forcing the closure of nine schools.

The

> > > number of students affected is now believed to be considerably

> > > higher.

> > >

> > > The illness is spreading to outer areas, such as Chiba, where

at

> > > least 350 university and school students have contracted it,

and

> > > Saitama, where a university has reported cases among its

> > candidature.

> > >

> > > The World Health Organisation aims to eliminate measles from

the

> > > Western Pacific area, including Japan, by 2012.

> > >

> > > - with AP

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

They use many reasons why the vax didn't work. The 90% effective reason is

brilliant. If their is an outbreak in a vaxed population then, no matter how

many of the vaxed get the ailment, they can claim it is part of the 10%. If it's

really, say, 30% they will still say it's part of the 10%. They ain't good at

math. :-)

Carly <poppetspaws@...> wrote: ---

In Vaccinations , " Lucas "

<rachellucas6@...> wrote:

>

> I always wonder with this argument though, isn't most of the

population vaxed? So obviously there would be more of them to get

it? Not sure, and I agree vax are bad, but I'm just curious about

that.

>

>

Yes, I've always wondered if that argument is legit. If 50 people

get measles and 45 of them are vaxed; then is makes it sound like

the vax doesn't work. But in most populations the vaxed

significantly outweigh the unvaxed, so the percentage will be

higher. I guess the pro-vaxers would say there would be many more

who would've gotten the disease if not for being vaxed. And they say

the vaccines are only 90% effective, most of them anyway. So those

45 people could've made up that other 10%.

Carly.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, , I am not particularly freaked out about measles either.

Though I personally I have not had them.

I was just more or less commenting on the extreme dichotomy between

the camps of " vaccines don't work " and " vaccines are great " . I figure

the truth must be somewhere in the middle. Though it doesn't mean I am

a fan of them, for most people, either.

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Oh man I couldn't agree with you more!

I always wonder with this argument though, isn't most of the

population vaxed? So obviously there would be more of them to get it?

Not sure, and I agree vax are bad, but I'm just curious about that.

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> Vaccines have never prevented any disease! They only make the

receiver more likely to get the disease if they are exposed to it. The

so called protective ingredient in the vaccine isn't the real thing.

In other words, it is attenuated or modified in some other way so as

to not cause the receiver to get the disease immediately. When they

gave the real thing, as in the polio disaster in the 1950's, over

50,000 people got polio from the vaccine. I know a man in Georgia that

was and still is one of the victims. His left leg is like a bean poll

and about six inches shorter than his right leg. Check this out. In

every outbreak of illness that a population has been vaccinated

for, the ones most likely to get the illness are the vaccinated

population. I have read of dozens of outbreaks and this is always the

case. Vaccines only harm and maim and kill people.

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