Re: Japanese measles epidemic

[Guest guest]

>

>> Yeah, I know. There are a couple of kids who got chicken pox from

> their vaccine.

>

Sorry, I meant a couple of kids at my daughter's school!

[Guest guest]

OK, I just had another look at Sheri's Q & A. I think what I am

asking, in a nutshell, is if people who have been vaxed have a chronic

case of the disease (and its easy to see how as it has no way

of 'leaving' the body) do those people not necessarily show any

symptoms of that disease?

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Did you read the other information I sent from the Whale.to site? It goes

into detail about this.

Kay

Re: Japanese measles epidemic

> OK, I just had another look at Sheri's Q & A. I think what I am

> asking, in a nutshell, is if people who have been vaxed have a chronic

> case of the disease (and its easy to see how as it has no way

> of 'leaving' the body) do those people not necessarily show any

> symptoms of that disease?

>

> Carly.

[Guest guest]

I was sure my autistic son had a case of the measles 4 years ago during

Christmas. All the symptoms lined up with those listed in the Mayo Clinic Family

Health Book I have. The only thing I couldn't check was the inside of his cheek

as he has always been extremely orally defensive. The ped doubted it and said

his perotid glands would have been very swollen and the degree of sickness would

have led me to the doctors office or the ER for sure. Just to be sure I asked

her to check for titers. Being the agreeable woman she is, she wrote out the

blood order for the lab and added cp just to be sure and a few other things like

Lyme and Mono and quite a few allergies (both food and environmental) since we

were drawing blood. He had zero titers for either and not a single allergy. I

was hoping otherwise with measles. I was very surprised with absence of

allergies.

Over a year ago, a NAET practioner also tested him for allergies and was

surprised he didn't have more, but he did have some. I didn't follow through

with treatments as Henry was beginning treatment homeopathically at that time

and the hope was that any allergies would self-correct with the right remedy.

Maybe that is what happened. I'm thinking about bringing him in for another

analysis. How wonderful would that be?!

Anita

Carly <poppetspaws@...> wrote:

>

>

> > surely if you have a raging case of measles it would be dx be most

> > doctors. I mean, those spots are pretty obvious?

>

> **** You'd be surprised. If it's been drummed into these doctors'

heads

> strongly enough, they won't believe it is measles because most

people have

> been vaxed for it. Denial is a powerful thing!

>

Hi Kay, I have no doubt many doctors would be clueless. But I would

think most would consult a textbook or a collegue if it baffled them.

What do you think they would dx it as otherwise?

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Certainly not effective, but they are still managing to control disease. Not

everyone will be be affected negatively based on the overall strength of an

individual immune system, succeptibity etc. Most people just don't see the

trade-off they are gambling with........Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote: I think of it more as " suppression. " The acute

manifestation of the

illness may not appear as often in a population, but it's still there,

damaging the body in a much more severe and long term way. To me that's

not being " effective " but destructive.

Kay

Re: Japanese measles epidemic

> OK, thanks for that. It makes it clearer. I was under the impression

> that measles always had large, obvious spots (like those propaganda

> pics they use!) and would have to be bleedingly obvious.

>

> Just to say again, I am personally not scared of measles in the least.

> My elder family members came through it just fine. And I think Vit A

> and C are crucial to coming through it OK. That's not really the point

> I was getting at. I am just trying to determine " do vaccines reduce

> measles? " so as to gauge the effectiveness

>

> Thanks for the links.

>

> Carly.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

I'm reading over it now. So would you say that a useful example of

being injected with the 'chronic disease' is the children who develop

inflammatory bowel disease associated with the measles vaccine?

I'm trying to wrap my head around all this stuff - good grief, its

confusing!

Carly.

[Guest guest]

PS. so the " latent viral activity " is responsible for the apparent

immunity to any exposure to the virus? That is, the body already

thinks it has an ongoing case of measles?

I can see how this works in some cases, but the latent viral activity

does not seem apparent in many who are vaccinated?

Kay, I am not expecting you to answer all this! I am putting these

questions out there in a general sense.

[Guest guest]

Not Kay, but I would have to say yes to your question, Carley. Dr. Wakefield has

found this to be true with autistic children who suffer with what he calls

entero-cholitis. He has found the same strain of measles virus in their guts and

spinal fluid as the strain they were all innoculated with.

Coincidence? I think not!..........Anita :~(

Carly <poppetspaws@...> wrote:

Hi Kay,

I'm reading over it now. So would you say that a useful example of

being injected with the 'chronic disease' is the children who develop

inflammatory bowel disease associated with the measles vaccine?

I'm trying to wrap my head around all this stuff - good grief, its

confusing!

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Great post by both of you, thank you.

MY oldest daughter is doing fine on the surface and doesn't have any issues now

that I know of, but my second daughter has JRA juvenile rhematoid (sp) arthritis

and when she gets run down she gets sick fast.

I was vaccinated in the Army and have had one tetanus shot since then that I

can recall (since 1993) and I have thyroid issues, bowel issues and seriously

blotchy skin that is pigmented.

FWIW, in CO

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Re: Japanese measles epidemic

> OK< thanks for your thoughts guys.

>

> Just a couple of thoughts-

>

> surely if you have a raging case of measles it would be dx be most

> doctors. I mean, those spots are pretty obvious?

**** You'd be surprised. If it's been drummed into these doctors' heads

strongly enough, they won't believe it is measles because most people have

been vaxed for it. Denial is a powerful thing!

> my eldest daughter was vaccinated with MMR. She, and none of her

> friends that I know of, have a " chronic case " of the disease. She is

> perfectly healthy, although it is possible her immune system is a

> bit overloaded.

**** So, none of your daughter's friends have an chronic issues...

allergies, asthma, eczema, ADD, etc. ?? Sheri isn't talking about everyone

exhibiting chronic measles symptoms. Vaccines affect everyone differently.

Some develop chronic illnesses, some have high fevers, some have seizures,

some develop autism, others die, other seem to escape without anything major

(but we don't know what their health will be like long term, do we?). I work

in an elementary school and I see DAILY the damage vaccines (as well as

other toxins in our food and environment) cause. I've never seen such a

sick bunch of kids since I worked in the pediatric ward of a hospital!

And what do you mean by your daughter's immune system being " a bit

overloaded " ?

> This is all in the interests of devil's advocacy. I have read some

> pretty convincing stats that vaccines do reduce disease. My doctor

> told me that Hib has virtually been eliminated in our region since

> the vaccine was introduced in recent times. Can't remember the stats

> exactly.

>

> So when I hear " vaccines don't work " I am skeptical. Doesn't mean I

> am supportive of them, though, as the price is too high.

***** Did you read the links I sent in my last post and read what Sheri N

posted?? She said, " You have a chronic case of the disease injected into

you. While you chronically ill with a deeper disease you can't show

symptoms of another disease that is weaker. "

Kay

>

> Carly.

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

I do believe that we have what we need at our disposal for most things, but

with the addition of more and more chemicals and crap they inject into us, I'm

afraid that God didn't figure some of these things into our lives!

Thanks for the info on young living. I was a Melaluca customer for a bit, but

I resent businesses that just won't sell to me direct without a membership type

fee and a min. monthly order. But that's a personal thing!

Thanks for the reply.

elissa1625 <cattails3@...> wrote:

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Elissa

> Would be interested in any thoughts on this one? Do you

think this

> means that our double vaxing for measles means we have far less

> mealses; as opposed to Japan?

>

> *****************************************************************

>

> Japanese measles epidemic brings campuses to standstill

>

> Norrie in Tokyo

> May 27, 2007 - 4:54PM

>

> A rampant measles epidemic has infected hundreds of Japanese

> students and frightened Tokyo universities and schools into sending

> more than 160,000 students home.

>

> In just a few days the highly contagious illness has spread

> virulently from Tokyo to outlying areas, affecting potentially

> thousands of people in their late teens and 20s.

>

> The epidemic, believed to be Japan's worst in at least five years,

> has brought campuses to a standstill for more than a week. An

> unknown number of people have been hospitalised.

>

> On Sunday, Tokyo's Hosei University announced it was closing a

> second of its three campuses for eight days after 14 students were

> confirmed to have the illness. The university closed another campus

> last Thursday.

>

> About a dozen universities in the Tokyo area, together with a

> handful of other schools around the country, have suspended classes

> since mid-April because of measles outbreaks, according to media

> reports.

>

> The National Institute of Infectious Diseases (NIID) said 623

people

> are known to have contracted the illness between February 27 and

May

> 27, compared to only 18 during the same period last year.

>

> The reasons why this year's outbreak has been so severe were not

> immediately clear. The Asahi Shimbun newspaper, citing unidentified

> experts, said a previous decline in the number of measles outbreaks

> may have lessened the efficacy of childhood vaccinations among the

> students, as exposure to the virus strengthens their effect.

>

> NIID said April to June were likely to be peak months for the virus

> to spread because of the concentration of graduation and

> matriculation ceremonies during that time.

>

> The Japanese school year ends in March and resumes in April.

>

> Health authorities are stunned at the rapid spread of the illness,

> which usually affects infants and only rarely strikes people in

> their 20s and older. Most Japanese in that age group have only been

> vaccinated once.

>

> Yoshinori Yasui, chief researcher at the NIID, said the problem was

> that " young people are considerably active during the incubation

> period between infection and the appearance of the rash, helping

the

> virus to spread widely " .

>

> Measles is passed on by coughing and sneezing. It causes pneumonia

> in one out of 20 cases, and brain inflammation and death in one out

> of every 1000.

>

> Japan is the only developed country to still experience large

> measles epidemics. The US, which introduced a double vaccination

> program in 1989, and Australia, which phased in a booster shot for

> measles from 1994, have largely eradicated the disease.

>

> In Japan, however, the government bowed to strong public pressure

in

> 1994 by repealing laws that made childhood immunisations mandatory.

> In 2000 there were an estimated 200,000 cases of measles and 88

> deaths.

>

> It was only last April that the National Institute of Infectious

> Diseases introduced a double vaccination program. But it would take

> at least a decade before the results of that could be seen,

> predicted Tatsuo Kato, president at the National Centre for Child

> Health and Development.

>

> The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has described

> Japan as a " measles exporter " , because it brings the illness into

> the US more frequently than any other country.

>

> In an editorial this week, The Asahi Shimbun called on the

> government " to show that it is committed to eliminating measles

from

> this country " and " ridding Japan of the 'measles exporter' status

as

> soon as possible " .

>

> " In a survey conducted last autumn, the inoculation rate for 1-year-

> olds was adequate, but the rate for the second shot was quite poor.

> It is necessary to make people, particularly parents, aware of the

> necessity and importance of double vaccinations. "

>

> In Tokyo, Waseda University suspended almost all classes for more

> than a week and sent home 55,000 undergraduate and graduate

students

> when 30 people were diagnosed with measles. Nihon University

ordered

> 27,000 students home until the end of next week after 91 students

> contracted the disease. More than 10 other campuses have also shut

> their doors.

>

> By last Friday almost 300 students at 104 Tokyo schools were

> diagnosed with measles, forcing the closure of nine schools. The

> number of students affected is now believed to be considerably

> higher.

>

> The illness is spreading to outer areas, such as Chiba, where at

> least 350 university and school students have contracted it, and

> Saitama, where a university has reported cases among its

candidature.

>

> The World Health Organisation aims to eliminate measles from the

> Western Pacific area, including Japan, by 2012.

>

> - with AP

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

" I'm reading over it now. So would you say that a useful example of

being injected with the 'chronic disease' is the children who develop

inflammatory bowel disease associated with the measles vaccine?

I'm trying to wrap my head around all this stuff - good grief, its

confusing!

Carly. "

Carly, I know of one little precious child who has been severely damaged by that

vaccine (and possibly other jabs), who luckily had a mother who stopped jabbing

after the 18 month mark, he's 3 now, still pretty damaged, but recovering very

slowly. I know of one personally. I know of tons of cases though through years

of research. I hope you continue in your research, as it's very enlightening,

and educational. Keep that spark alive!

Cassie in Idaho

Mama to Canyon 3, and River 1...Never jabbed, homebirthed, uncirced awesome

boys!

Birthmom to Sam 7

~Cassie Sala~

Peace on Earth begins with birth!

[Guest guest]

Hi Cassie,

I stopped vaxing my kids 5 years ago, just after my youngest was born.

I'm not a fan of vaccines. I estimate I have read several hundred

hours worth of stuff on both sides and it is *still* somewhat

confusing.

Its particularly confusing when you read of the pro-vax people calling

the pro-choice people " anti-vaccination liars " . I tend to think " what

lies? If someone is writing up lies I want to know about it " It is

very hard for a lay person to sort the fact from fiction. I guess

that's why I really like anything that's said to be qualified.

Carly.

[Guest guest]

" Hi Cassie,

I stopped vaxing my kids 5 years ago, just after my youngest was born.

I'm not a fan of vaccines. I estimate I have read several hundred

hours worth of stuff on both sides and it is *still* somewhat

confusing.

Its particularly confusing when you read of the pro-vax people calling

the pro-choice people " anti-vaccination liars " . I tend to think " what

lies? If someone is writing up lies I want to know about it " It is

very hard for a lay person to sort the fact from fiction. I guess

that's why I really like anything that's said to be qualified.

Carly. "

Carly, I hear you. It's been over 4 years of research for me so far, and you

know, I was VERY surprized about a month ago, that mom that I mentioned, with

the vaccine damaged 3 year old, she was surprized that I still research

vaccines! That I am almost daily involving myself with vaccine education,

still, after all of these years of knowing I'd never let my kids be jabbed. It

really shocked me, as I feel it's important to always try to be informed of

what's going on in the world of vaccines, and how I can always be on my toes for

my kid's health as un-vaccinated children. I figured she was doing the same (I

was the person who tipped her off to her babies health problems to begin with),

with a vax damaged child.......It just reminds me that I might just be fanatic,

and that others aren't as interested in this subject as I am (except the people

in this group that is!), or that others think that once they decide to stop

vaxxing, that's it, no more needs to be done! Did I get off topic here? I

think I'm rambling! Just wanted to say, I do hear you, Carly....it's good, the

questions you have.

~Cassie Sala~

Peace on Earth begins with birth!

[Guest guest]

It just reminds me that I might just be fanatic, and that others

aren't as interested in this subject as I am (except the people in

this group that is!), or that others think that once they decide to

stop vaxxing, that's it, no more needs to be done! Did I get off

topic here? I think I'm rambling! Just wanted to say, I do hear

you, Carly....it's good, the questions you have.

>

Oh yeah, I know the feeling. I was just talking to my mum the other

day and getting worked up about vaccination, and I could see her

eyes glaze over! LOL. I thought, I better be careful or it is no

better than being a religious fanatic shoving it down people's

throat.

No, I never stop researching. I feel I have to stay on top of it,

and rightly or wrongly, feel that I want to be in the postition of

being able to intellectually defend my decision. I have also become

fascinated in the subject, really!

I'm glad you like my questions. I'm certainly not trying to

antogonise - just get to the truth and refine things in my own mind.

Carly.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/29/2007 10:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

poppetspaws@... writes:

It is

very hard for a lay person to sort the fact from fiction.

One " test " I use is I try to determine the motive behind the person

supplying the information. For example, if you doctor says vaccines are good,

I give

it less credibility b/c the doctor has direct financial gain if you

vaccinate. I can't think of a single pro vaccine information site that doesn't

have

something to gain financially. That is one reason I have chosen to believe

" anti vax " people and web sites. Anyone else feel this way?

Holly

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/30/2007 1:38:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

herbalmamacass@... writes:

...............<WBR>It just reminds me that I might just be fanatic, and that

others aren't as interested in this subject as I am (except the people in

this group that is!), or that others think that once they decide to stop

vaxxing, that's it, no more needs

I think you are right. I recently came across a mom who didn't vax. I

began talking to her, and it was obvious she was not educated in the matter.

I'm

not sure why she chose not to vax, but I'm glad she did. I try to read

every day also, even though or any future children or pets will never see

a

needle.

Holly, proud to be a vaccine fanatic

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

> It just reminds me that I might just be fanatic, and that others

> aren't as interested in this subject as I am (except the people in

> this group that is!),

I think that's true, others aren't as interested. I have to hold back

from constantly remarking on things as possibly related to vaccines

when I talk to people, because it makes me seem like a fanatic.

Actually, it probably MAKES me something of a fanatic, although it's

hard to separate fanaticism from just passion sometimes. I guess if

you worry about being a fanatic, it probably makes it less likely

that you actually are a fanatic (sort of like worrying that you're

crazy probably means you're not actually crazy. People who are crazy

never think they are).

The truth is often we just have to plant a seed and leave it at that.

Tough to do.

Angie

[Guest guest]

What you are not understanding is that not all people react to a

vaccine in the same way and everyone's body is constantly trying to

bring itself back to health. So someone who has a " chronic " disease

from say the measles vaccine, will not be able to get measles until

the body is able to bring itself back to health. Once this happens

(if it happens) then the body would be susceptable to the disease

again. This would be the reason for booster shots, because all

vaccines wear off over time as the body brings itself back to health.

But not all people react to a vaccine in this way.

Another way that some people react to the vaccine, is that they have a

reaction to it. It could be a small reaction or a full blown

reaction. I personally am led to believe that if a person gets

measles from the measles vaccine, than they are more likely to have

real immunity, the same as you get from the disease itself. But I

have not specifically read this, just feel this is what happens.

Another way someone might respond to a vaccine is that their body

immediately or rather quickly throws it off (removes it from the body)

and is therefore open for getting sick if exposed to the disease.

This is just the body healing itself.

Everyone's body reacts differently and at different rates. How the

chronic state manifests itself will be different for everyone. It

does not mean that they are sick with measles or the vaccinated

disease. Many people who have chronic conditions do not know they are

sick, they may appear completely health. If you took the case of a

person with cancer, they did not know they had cancer until it finally

started showing symptoms, but they still had cancer all that time. It

really does get complicated when you start thinking about it.

Hope this helps some.

Tara

>

> PS. so the " latent viral activity " is responsible for the apparent

> immunity to any exposure to the virus? That is, the body already

> thinks it has an ongoing case of measles?

>

> I can see how this works in some cases, but the latent viral

activity

> does not seem apparent in many who are vaccinated?

>

> Kay, I am not expecting you to answer all this! I am putting these

> questions out there in a general sense.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What you are not understanding is that not all people react to a

> vaccine in the same way and everyone's body is constantly trying

to

> bring itself back to health.

Hi Tara,

Thanks for your explanations. This is getting really complicated but

I just wanted to say I *do* understand the above statement. That is

why I didn't understand the assertion that " you can't get the acute

disease if you have the chronic disease injected into you. " This

does not seem to apply to all/many people - at least on the surface.

That's because I do know healthy vaxed children (as well as

unhealthy ones) and so I didn't think we could really generalise

about this. Of course, these kids may be unhealthy down the track,

too.

Hope that makes sense,

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Yes, and especially with all the news coming out about the money changing hands

with doctors and pharma companies.

Anymore I tend to question first -- almost everyone and everything. It's a bit

tiring though!

MA

mensrea320@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/29/2007 10:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

poppetspaws@... writes:

It is

very hard for a lay person to sort the fact from fiction.

One " test " I use is I try to determine the motive behind the person

supplying the information. For example, if you doctor says vaccines are good, I

give

it less credibility b/c the doctor has direct financial gain if you

vaccinate. I can't think of a single pro vaccine information site that doesn't

have

something to gain financially. That is one reason I have chosen to believe

" anti vax " people and web sites. Anyone else feel this way?

Holly

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Hi

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www.youngliving.us

member #808190

> > Would be interested in any thoughts on this one? Do you

> think this

> > means that our double vaxing for measles means we have far less

> > mealses; as opposed to Japan?

> >

> > *****************************************************************

> >

> > Japanese measles epidemic brings campuses to standstill

> >

> > Norrie in Tokyo

> > May 27, 2007 - 4:54PM

> >

> > A rampant measles epidemic has infected hundreds of Japanese

> > students and frightened Tokyo universities and schools into

sending

> > more than 160,000 students home.

> >

> > In just a few days the highly contagious illness has spread

> > virulently from Tokyo to outlying areas, affecting potentially

> > thousands of people in their late teens and 20s.

> >

> > The epidemic, believed to be Japan's worst in at least five

years,

> > has brought campuses to a standstill for more than a week. An

> > unknown number of people have been hospitalised.

> >

> > On Sunday, Tokyo's Hosei University announced it was closing a

> > second of its three campuses for eight days after 14 students

were

> > confirmed to have the illness. The university closed another

campus

> > last Thursday.

> >

> > About a dozen universities in the Tokyo area, together with a

> > handful of other schools around the country, have suspended

classes

> > since mid-April because of measles outbreaks, according to media

> > reports.

> >

> > The National Institute of Infectious Diseases (NIID) said 623

> people

> > are known to have contracted the illness between February 27 and

> May

> > 27, compared to only 18 during the same period last year.

> >

> > The reasons why this year's outbreak has been so severe were not

> > immediately clear. The Asahi Shimbun newspaper, citing

unidentified

> > experts, said a previous decline in the number of measles

outbreaks

> > may have lessened the efficacy of childhood vaccinations among

the

> > students, as exposure to the virus strengthens their effect.

> >

> > NIID said April to June were likely to be peak months for the

virus

> > to spread because of the concentration of graduation and

> > matriculation ceremonies during that time.

> >

> > The Japanese school year ends in March and resumes in April.

> >

> > Health authorities are stunned at the rapid spread of the

illness,

> > which usually affects infants and only rarely strikes people in

> > their 20s and older. Most Japanese in that age group have only

been

> > vaccinated once.

> >

> > Yoshinori Yasui, chief researcher at the NIID, said the problem

was

> > that " young people are considerably active during the incubation

> > period between infection and the appearance of the rash, helping

> the

> > virus to spread widely " .

> >

> > Measles is passed on by coughing and sneezing. It causes

pneumonia

> > in one out of 20 cases, and brain inflammation and death in one

out

> > of every 1000.

> >

> > Japan is the only developed country to still experience large

> > measles epidemics. The US, which introduced a double vaccination

> > program in 1989, and Australia, which phased in a booster shot

for

> > measles from 1994, have largely eradicated the disease.

> >

> > In Japan, however, the government bowed to strong public pressure

> in

> > 1994 by repealing laws that made childhood immunisations

mandatory.

> > In 2000 there were an estimated 200,000 cases of measles and 88

> > deaths.

> >

> > It was only last April that the National Institute of Infectious

> > Diseases introduced a double vaccination program. But it would

take

> > at least a decade before the results of that could be seen,

> > predicted Tatsuo Kato, president at the National Centre for Child

> > Health and Development.

> >

> > The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has described

> > Japan as a " measles exporter " , because it brings the illness into

> > the US more frequently than any other country.

> >

> > In an editorial this week, The Asahi Shimbun called on the

> > government " to show that it is committed to eliminating measles

> from

> > this country " and " ridding Japan of the 'measles exporter' status

> as

> > soon as possible " .

> >

> > " In a survey conducted last autumn, the inoculation rate for 1-

year-

> > olds was adequate, but the rate for the second shot was quite

poor.

> > It is necessary to make people, particularly parents, aware of

the

> > necessity and importance of double vaccinations. "

> >

> > In Tokyo, Waseda University suspended almost all classes for more

> > than a week and sent home 55,000 undergraduate and graduate

> students

> > when 30 people were diagnosed with measles. Nihon University

> ordered

> > 27,000 students home until the end of next week after 91 students

> > contracted the disease. More than 10 other campuses have also

shut

> > their doors.

> >

> > By last Friday almost 300 students at 104 Tokyo schools were

> > diagnosed with measles, forcing the closure of nine schools. The

> > number of students affected is now believed to be considerably

> > higher.

> >

> > The illness is spreading to outer areas, such as Chiba, where at

> > least 350 university and school students have contracted it, and

> > Saitama, where a university has reported cases among its

> candidature.

> >

> > The World Health Organisation aims to eliminate measles from the

> > Western Pacific area, including Japan, by 2012.

> >

> > - with AP

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I always consider motives too, but what really irks me is that so many doctors

take their lessons from drug reps who are trained to make everything look good

and necessary and leave out all the bad stuff. A good doctor will take time to

read inserts and look into vaccines and drugs below the surface of their " office

and all-expense paid vacation lessons " . Problem is that most don't and have been

so deeply indoctrinated into the bigger belief system that runs the machine that

tells them what to do.......Anita

mensrea320@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/29/2007 10:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

poppetspaws@... writes:

It is

very hard for a lay person to sort the fact from fiction.

One " test " I use is I try to determine the motive behind the person

supplying the information. For example, if you doctor says vaccines are good, I

give

it less credibility b/c the doctor has direct financial gain if you

vaccinate. I can't think of a single pro vaccine information site that doesn't

have

something to gain financially. That is one reason I have chosen to believe

" anti vax " people and web sites. Anyone else feel this way?

Holly

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[Guest guest]

Hopefully she at least knows about the legal exemptions available to her for her

babes. I wonder if she has school-age children? I'm happy for her too, but she

does need to be better prepared when the questions begin unless she's a

homeschooler.........Anita

mensrea320@... wrote: I think you are right. I recently came across a mom

who didn't vax. I

began talking to her, and it was obvious she was not educated in the matter. I'm

not sure why she chose not to vax, but I'm glad she did. I try to read

every day also, even though or any future children or pets will never see

a

needle.

Holly, proud to be a vaccine fanatic

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[Guest guest]

I have a friend with a 2yo son, and she *knew* right from the start

there was no way he was getting any vaccines. She hardly knows a thing

about them, doesn't read anything about it anymore, it was just pure

instinct driving her decision.

I kind of admire her own trust in her instincts that need no

intellectual back-up. But at the same time; I could never just let it

go!!

Carly.

[Guest guest]

Too many have lost touch with those instincts. They come with responsibility and

too many have lost touch with that too. I don't know how people do it, but they

would much rather let " professionals " who supposedly know what best for their

children make crucial decisions for them. I guess it's easier, particularly when

something goes wrong they can point the finger at someone else. To tell you the

truth, the whole thing is mindboggling and isn't easily explained, I'm

sure........Anita

Carly <poppetspaws@...> wrote: I have a friend with a 2yo son, and

she *knew* right from the start

there was no way he was getting any vaccines. She hardly knows a thing

about them, doesn't read anything about it anymore, it was just pure

instinct driving her decision.

I kind of admire her own trust in her instincts that need no

intellectual back-up. But at the same time; I could never just let it

go!!

Carly.