Re: re-exposed, re-dosed and falling apart...

[Guest guest]

Doesn't hepa filters have charcoal filters in them? I would think charcoal

in a air cleaner would pick up mycotoxins. (although I know not as well as

cholestyramine but I doubt I will find a air cleaner with cholestyramine in

it.)

----- Original Message -----

From: " Healthier4all " <Healthier4All@...>

> Hi Barb and :

>

> I can't speak for and don't know his level of sensitivity; however

> what

> I've learned from personal trial and error is that when I do wear a dense

> face mask with my food-grade activated charcoal material underneath it I

> do

> not react when in a moldy situation.

[Guest guest]

> I can't speak for and don't know his level of sensitivity;

however what I've learned from personal trial and error is that when

I do wear a dense face mask with my food-grade activated charcoal

material underneath it I do not react when in a moldy situation.<

Yes! This is the way of it!

Even some " Mold Experts " will tell you that Hepa filtration is

appropriate and adequate to filter out spores, and will argue with

you and question your mental state when you make such observations

which imply the presence of volatolized mycotoxins, which

contradicts their concepts.

In many cases, relying on advice that doesn't fit your reproducible

observations and acting in accord with that flawed advice rather

than the reality conveyed by your perceptions results in more pain

and confusion when it doesn't work.

In a way, reaching a hypersensitive state was the best thing that

could have happened to me, because when I finally reached a point in

which I could clearly feel that the concepts of others did not match

my perceptions of the characteristics of this response, I found that

acting upon the dictates of my own level of reactivity allowed me to

have a better lifestyle than could otherwise be attained.

-

[Guest guest]

3M makes VOC masks/filters.

I got mine years ago in med school while working on the cadavers.

They can be bought at places like home depot etc. There was a rumor a

while ago that some of the new masks MIGHT have a *scent* to them. How

true this is I do not know. All I know is that mine works for any VOC I

encounter.

Since they discontinued my model my friend and I bought up the last case

of replacement filters as they changed sizes.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, carondeen wrote:

> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:36:22 -0000

> From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: re-exposed, re-dosed and falling apart...

>

> I am not knowlegable enough to say what level of protection would be

> sufficient to protect one from all types of trichothencene

> mycotoxins. But I do know the level of protection that would be

> available to most people- a face resperator with a good charcoal

> filter-is not enough. Most people do not have easy access to

> military type protection. weather or not it would work, I don't know.

>

>

> protectionsurvivor.com/when_biotoxins_are_tools_of_terr.htm

> > scroll down to: Trichothecene mycotoxins

> >

> > " Prevention

> > Protective clothing used for chemical agents should provide an

> effective

> > barrier to skin exposure, and face masks that prevent the

> penetration of

> > particles 3 to 4 micrometers in size are adequate for respiratory

> protection

> > (11).

> > Decontamination

> > Standard decontamination procedures for chemical or toxin exposure

> should be

> > followed. Washing skin with soap and water can significantly

> reduce

> > absorption, even 4 to 6 hours after exposure; runoff, clothing,

> and surfaces

> > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1%

> sodium

> > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) "

> >

> > Rosie

> >

> >

> > >

> > >> Wouldn't wearing a tight sealing face mask protect us to some

> degree

> > > when we

> > >> are in a moldy environment? I'm not saying this is the answer to

> > > avoidance;

> > >> however I believe in protection. Eye goggles, face mask,

> gloves,

> > > disposable

> > >> clothing, head protection when we just have to clean out?

> > >>

> > >> Rosie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

If the person has a problem with chlorine pathway they are going to be in

major trouble using bleach.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, carondeen wrote:

> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:44:28 -0000

> From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: re-exposed, re-dosed and falling apart...

>

> Bleach and lye- try it- nithing will survive that exposure

>

> > I wonder what " 1% sodium

> > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) "

> > is below. Anyone know?

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Healthier4all " <Healthier4All@h...>

> > surfaces

> > > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1%

> sodium

> > > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) "

> > >

> > > Rosie

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Angel MCS wrote:

> 3M makes VOC masks/filters.

The VOC 3M's are noticeably thicker than particulate filters, so you

can spot 'em at a distance.

I saw someone entering a store that I knew to be a mold slammer four

years ago wearing just such a face mask - not the usual apparel for

shopping.

I wanted to run after and ask " If you know the place is a slammer,

must you necessarily come here? Isn't there some way to get whatever

you need elsewhere? " But figured that if this person knew enough to

specifically get the VOC filters, she was far too well educated to

make such a choice unless it was VERY necessary.

-

[Guest guest]

> Wouldn't wearing a tight sealing face mask protect us to some degree when we

> are in a moldy environment? I'm not saying this is the answer to avoidance;

> however I believe in protection. Eye goggles, face mask, gloves, disposable

> clothing, head protection when we just have to clean out?

>

> Rosie

Protection is a good idea, but all the normal masks don't work. I have not tried

a gas

mask, though, Or a scuba tank, either.

[Guest guest]

> Only VOC filters do any good at all.

I have a hepa with charcoal filter that also doesn't work.

[Guest guest]

> Bleach and lye- try it- nithing will survive that exposure

> ---

> > > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1%

> sodium hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) "

I thought basic chemistry says NOT to put those 2 together at the same time.

Maybe I am

confused. But an acid will counteract a base, and those are strong ones of each.

[Guest guest]

I want to amend my statement. It works fine for exhaust odors and other smelly

things,

but doesn't work for moldy environments.

> > Only VOC filters do any good at all.

>

> I have a hepa with charcoal filter that also doesn't work.