Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY entrenched in the medical industry. I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can that cause death? " Oh... you betcha! They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in. Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the one with the baby when he died). Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Oh how awful. I'll pray for them. -Angie On Monday, October 23, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Kay wrote: > The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 > months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will > probably be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle > fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family > is VERY entrenched in the medical industry. > > I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when > he had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, > " Can that cause death? " Oh... you betcha! > > They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are > in. > > Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who > was the one with the baby when he died). > > Kay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Don't look for the results of the autopsy. I doubt if they'll point to the medical products. Baby Dies The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY entrenched in the medical industry. I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can that cause death? " Oh... you betcha! They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in. Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the one with the baby when he died). Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Yes, that's what I've told several people. Most likely they won't find anything (won't find what they're not looking for, right?) It will go down in the books as SIDS and the damage vaccines do will slip by again. : ( Kay Baby Dies > > > The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 > months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably > be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his > grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY > entrenched in the medical industry. > > I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he > had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can > that cause death? " Oh... you betcha! > > They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are > in. > > Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who > was the one with the baby when he died). > > Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 At 05:20 PM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: >The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY entrenched in the medical industry. > How sad and what a waste! >I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can that cause death? " Oh... you betcha! > Glad you are planting seeds. >They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in. > >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the one with the baby when he died). Oh dear.....................yes, I will. Just an FYI for many of you - don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age. Sheri> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Just an FYI for many of you - > don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age. > Sheri> Yes, my cousin is in jail now for exactly this reason, the baby died in her care and she was prosecuted and convicted. Though the baby had a history of seizures and was being vaccinated. I contacted her lawyers with info but I do not believe that they made their case using a vaccine defense. So sad!! There are specifically for this and there are many childcare providers and parents being falsely accused. _falsely_accused-subscribe _ (mailto:falsely_accused-subscribe ) Mavis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Oh Kay, how sad!!! I used to be a Nanny for 7 years and it must be awful for that poor baby sitter to cope with what happened. The parents will be devasted, of course but they will never find out the truth. It is staring us in the face what killed this baby. I remember the case of the british nanny, in 1997, that was accused of killing the baby of her employers and now, in hindsight, I know what really happened there. It makes me want to scream and shout, that's how angry I am at the injustice that is being done to our children every single day. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the one with the baby when he died).< It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 > > Just an FYI for many of you - > don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age. > Sheri> That is very good advice; I fortunatly never looked after babies as a Nanny. If it is a nanny than she will be made responsible, if it is the mother, she may end up in prison, as we have now seen in the UK. But even when these 2 mothers were released from prison, after proven innocent, nobody really said what really had caused the babies to die. But I did remember a TV programme about one of the cases where there was an allergy to cows milk and previous generations and babies had died too, because of this. The 3 babies in this family all were bottlefed with cows milk formula and probably all vaccinated, which didn't help at all. When will people stop looking at vaccination as a sacred cow that you just don't question? When will they wake up? Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Yes, with a swipe of the pen, the deaths go down on paper as being " SIDS. " Babies don't just die for NO reason. Absolutely amazing that more people don't link vaccinations with " SIDS. " It's easier for them to except that a healthy baby just dies out of the blue than to think it MIGHT be from all the toxins that are injected into a tiny, developing body every couple of months. A full vax schedule in the US for a 2 month old is 4 shots for 6 diseases plus the oral Polio, right? Disgusting!! Kay Re: Baby Dies > >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who > >was the one with the baby when he died).< > > It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages > coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical > examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't > even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 > years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would > be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they > don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a > license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and > Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day > of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me. > > C. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 At 04:14 PM 10/24/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, with a swipe of the pen, the deaths go down on paper as being " SIDS. " >Babies don't just die for NO reason. Absolutely amazing that more people >don't link vaccinations with " SIDS. " It's easier for them to except that a >healthy baby just dies out of the blue than to think it MIGHT be from all >the toxins that are injected into a tiny, developing body every couple of >months. A full vax schedule in the US for a 2 month old is 4 shots for 6 >diseases plus the oral Polio, right? Disgusting!! > >Kay And SIDS isn't a cause - they act like that is an explanation - 'oh, it was SIDS' - it unexplained by them. Because they won't look at the issue of vaccine injury. Oral polio isn't given in US anymore so its " HIB (H. influenza meningitis) vax, Prevnar (7 strains of pneumococcal), DTaP (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), IPV (injectable polio) and Hep B vax if not given at birth Yes, that is 4 or 5 shots for 6 or 7 or if you count the 7 strains of penumococcal, its 13 'diseases' At 4 months it is for sure 5 injections Schedule here for those who are prepared for the shock of it all http://www.cdc.gov/Nip/recs/child-schedule-color-print.pdf Sheri > > Re: Baby Dies > > >> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who >> >was the one with the baby when he died).< >> >> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages >> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical >> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't >> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 >> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would >> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they >> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a >> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and >> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day >> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me. >> >> C. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 OMG!!!! This is sooo sad and I am keeping this family in my prayers! My baby is only 3 months of age and I just can not even think how horrifying this baby's mom must feel !!!!As the picture with vaccination is getting clearer and clearer to me- I am not just planting seeds. I feel so confident in my decision not to vaccinate my baby- I had a conversation with my MIL and convinced her in vaccine danger, but, what's most important- one of my Russian friend stopped vaccinating her kids after talking to me and doing some research on her own!!!! WE HAVE TO SHARE this information with others- people are so brainwashed - it's amazing! BUT! When you put plain facts in front of them- their answer is- ALL PEOPLE DO IT... Well, not all, and I am glad I am not... Anyway, ( sorry, I can go on forever on this) Thank you so much for sharing this devastating news- please, keep us informed. LEEKA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS that it would be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen to be at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule. ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized Clothing Designs Also lots of Halloween shirts this month! Re: Baby Dies > > >> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who >> >was the one with the baby when he died).< >> >> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages >> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical >> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't >> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 >> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would >> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they >> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a >> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and >> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day >> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me. >> >> C. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Oh and have there been any studies done on large communities that don't vaccinate? Are their level of SIDS lower like with autism there? ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized Clothing Designs Also lots of Halloween shirts this month! And SIDS isn't a cause - they act like that is an explanation - 'oh, it was SIDS' - it unexplained by them. Because they won't look at the issue of vaccine injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I've missed most of this conversation because I have a total of -- I'm not making this up -- 336 unread messages in my inbox. That's just from 3 days. However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines. My personal theory (based also on things I've read) is that there is some genetic or other anomaly in the infant that makes them vulnerable to losing their ability to breathe. Perhaps this is why cosleeping, in which close proximity to the mother helps the infant breathe better, reduces the risk of SIDS. But take any toxic factor and it can make the infant succumb to its anomaly. That toxic factor could be a vaccination, chemicals in the mattress, etc. I think we've discussed on here that in New Zealand they have developed a mattress cover that has eliminated SIDS from the population that uses it. There's a lot of bad stuff in mattresses that off-gasses and could overwhelm a developing nervous system. Again, that can't be the only thing, since SIDS predates these mattress styles. -Angie On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Lucas wrote: > There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from > that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS > within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of > SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show > vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked > into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS > that it would be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In > other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get > vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen > to be at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what > she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her > new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule. > > ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com > > ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids > Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized > Clothing Designs > Also lots of Halloween shirts this month! > > Re: Baby Dies > > > > > >> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter > (who > >> >was the one with the baby when he died).< > >> > >> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages > >> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most > coroners/medical > >> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they > don't > >> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 > >> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it > would > >> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since > they > >> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who > had a > >> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the > Health and > >> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants > the day > >> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me. > >> > >> C. > >> > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 At 08:04 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote: >OMG!!!! >This is sooo sad and I am keeping this family in my prayers! >My baby is only 3 months of age and I just can not even think how horrifying >this baby's mom must feel !!!!As the picture with vaccination is getting >clearer and clearer to me- I am not just planting seeds. I feel so confident >in my decision not to vaccinate my baby- I had a conversation with my MIL >and convinced her in vaccine danger, but, what's most important- one of my >Russian friend stopped vaccinating her kids after talking to me and doing >some research on her own!!!! WONDERFUL! This is the only way we will stop this - word of mouth, grassroots just as we are doing. I get emails from all over the world, from word of mouth. Keep on >WE HAVE TO SHARE this information with others- people are so brainwashed - >it's amazing! BUT! When you put plain facts in front of them- their answer >is- ALL PEOPLE DO IT... Well, not all, and I am glad I am not... You are right. And you have to be judicicious regarding who will listen and who might cause you trouble. Soo glad you are speaking out Leeka Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 At 10:30 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote: >There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS that it would be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen to be at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule. Oh my gosh - she's getting the new one vaccinated? There are no words. I'm surprised she hasn't been accused of killing them. Do you know if she breastfed the others? Send her the links I sent out. Terrifying. Sheri >> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 At 10:43 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Oh and have there been any studies done on large communities that don't vaccinate? Are their level of SIDS lower like with autism there? That's the problem. Dan Olmsted brought that out in his articles earlier this year about autism There needs to be a study of Amish conmmunites that don't vax (some do) and the group of doctors in Chicago and anthroposophists (Steiner/Waldorf) and Christian Scientists. I have never heard of SIDS in an unvaxed, but I don't know all people ;-) Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 At 11:32 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote: >I've missed most of this conversation because I have a total of -- I'm >not making this up -- 336 unread messages in my inbox. That's just from >3 days. I know! I sent out a bunch on SIDS > >However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines. This is not accurate My personal >theory (based also on things I've read) is that there is some genetic >or other anomaly in the infant that makes them vulnerable to losing >their ability to breathe. I encourage you to read what was sent. Relationship to vaccines, not breastfeeding. Perhaps this is why cosleeping, in which >close proximity to the mother helps the infant breathe better, reduces >the risk of SIDS. But take any toxic factor and it can make the infant >succumb to its anomaly. That toxic factor could be a vaccination, >chemicals in the mattress, etc. Those are both factors I think we've discussed on here that in >New Zealand they have developed a mattress cover that has eliminated >SIDS from the population that uses it. There's a lot of bad stuff in >mattresses that off-gasses and could overwhelm a developing nervous >system. Again, that can't be the only thing, since SIDS predates these >mattress styles. -Angie Please take a look at what I sent on SIDS Go to the webpage and read if you deleted http://groups.google.com/group/vaccinations I'll send one again Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi , this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and of course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you about the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby. All a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and maybe some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry cashing in on our fears. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Sounds like she made some kind of connection.....Anita Lucas <mommytogavin@...> wrote: There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS that it would be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen to be at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule. ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I know lots of people who co-sleep and it works out fine for them, but it's probably not fair to say that the fear is all hype. A woman in my husband's office is married to a firefighter. He had to go to the call here in town where the dad rolled over on the baby and suffocated it. He absolutely would not allow any co-sleeping in their house after that and I can't say that I blame him after witnessing the tragedy in that family. When they had kids they had the bassinet right by the bed and the mom nursed like that. So while there are enormous benefits, let's make sure we don't poo-poo the real-life stories that do, rarely, happen. Thanks, Sheri B. ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: Hi , this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and of course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you about the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby. All a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and maybe some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry cashing in on our fears. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 This is exactly what my former pediatrician told me about autism: that since it usually started showing up about the same time as the MMR.... well you know the load of baloney. Sheri B. --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > >However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines. > > This is not accurate That's just what I've read elsewhere, in places that are not discussing vaccines and their relation to SIDS but just discussing SIDS in general. > > Please take a look at what I sent on SIDS > Go to the webpage and read if you deleted > http://groups.google.com/group/vaccinations > Well, you know, maybe if I find a few more hours in my day I will. I can't possibly keep on top of all the emails I get. From what I understand, the mattress-wrapping thing in New Zealand has worked. I don't think anyone on this list should underestimate the huge toxic load in our environment around us, and the offgassing of chemicals that makes the pollution in our homes much, much worse than outdoors. Vaccines are NOT the cause of every bad thing out there. -Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I am a strong advocate of co-sleeping, and I believe that the physiological regulation of the baby's breathing and heartbeat with the mother's makes it safer regarding SIDS, along with the factor of breastfeeding. And the fact that the mother is right there and will most likely wake up if the baby stopped breathing. But I have non- toxic crib mattresses on my website because I know that the majority of babies in the U.S. are sleeping in cribs. And no matter how much we get the message out about co-sleeping, many will still choose to put their babies to sleep in cribs. From all the research I've seen, I believe that babies can die sleeping on a toxic mattress. These babies need to be protected. Would these babies be protected from the gases in the mattresses if they weren't vaccinated? My guess is that most of them would be, since vaccines can make a baby more vulnerable to the gases. I know that babies die from vaccinations alone – I'm very aware of that. But I think it's also true that some unvaccinated babies die from the gases in toxic mattresses. From what I understand many of the SIDS babies in NZ were not vaccinated. I had a heart-breaking conversation a few weeks ago with a pregnant woman who called me to order a mattress. She said her first baby died and was labeled SIDS. Now that she's pregnant again, she is going out of her mind with trying to do everything she possibly can to prevent it from happening again. The first thing I asked her was if her baby that died was vaccinated. He had received no vaccines at all. I also told her my views about co-sleeping. Her baby died in his parents' bed and that's why she wants her new baby to sleep in a crib. She also exclusively breastfed him. I can't imagine how this woman must feel, constantly wondering if it was something she could have done differently and so much worry and fear overshadowing the joy of her new baby. All I could say to her was that it was NOT her fault, she did the best she could and so much more than what most parents do to keep her baby safe. She was an extremely good mother. Maybe the toxic gas in the parents' bed was the cause (although I didn't say this to her). Adult mattresses, not just crib mattresses, are toxic too. Or sometimes maybe a baby's spirit just decides it's time to go even after such a short time, and we just never know why. I think it's very important to tread lightly when we talk to SIDS families when we know a baby was vaccinated or wasn't breastfed. There is already so much guilt and suffering. They don't need any more guilt. Most of the time they've only done what their doctors told them is right. But, it gets complicated since I do see it as an important thing to educate people to try to prevent future deaths. And many SIDS parents go on to have more babies. They need to know. If you know of babies under a year old who are sleeping in cribs, in addition to talking to their parents about vaccines, breastfeeding and co-sleeping, please also try to let them know about the toxicity of mattresses. More about toxic mattresses: http://www.healthychild.com/SIDS-crib-death-cause.htm http://www.healthychild.com/toxic-chemicals-baby-mattress.htm Jane Jane Sheppard Healthy Child http://www.healthychild.com Subscribe to our free Healthy Child newsletter to receive kids natural health articles and vital information to protect your child's health: http://www.healthychild.com/kids-health-natural-holistic.htm > > Hi , > this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and of > course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no > matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her > breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you about > the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby > monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby. All > a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and maybe > some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry > cashing in on our fears. > Ingrid > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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