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The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 months

old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably be

attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his grandpa is a

pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY entrenched in the

medical industry. :(

I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he had his

last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can that cause

death? " Oh... you betcha!

They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in.

Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the

one with the baby when he died).

Kay

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Oh how awful. I'll pray for them. -Angie

On Monday, October 23, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Kay wrote:

> The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3

> months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will

> probably be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle

> fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family

> is VERY entrenched in the medical industry. :(

>

> I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when

> he had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say,

> " Can that cause death? " Oh... you betcha!

>

> They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are

> in.

>

> Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who

> was the one with the baby when he died).

>

> Kay

>

>

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Don't look for the results of the autopsy. I doubt if they'll point to the

medical products.

Baby Dies

The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3 months

old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably be attributed

to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his grandpa is a pharmacist,

and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY entrenched in the medical industry.

:(

I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he had

his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can that cause

death? " Oh... you betcha!

They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in.

Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the

one with the baby when he died).

Kay

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Yes, that's what I've told several people. Most likely they won't find

anything (won't find what they're not looking for, right?) It will go down

in the books as SIDS and the damage vaccines do will slip by again. : (

Kay

Baby Dies

>

>

> The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3

> months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably

> be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his

> grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY

> entrenched in the medical industry. :(

>

> I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he

> had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can

> that cause death? " Oh... you betcha!

>

> They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are

> in.

>

> Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who

> was the one with the baby when he died).

>

> Kay

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At 05:20 PM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>The grandson of one of my coworkers died this weekend. He was barely 3

months old. It's being investigated as SIDS, of course, and will probably

be attributed to that. I know he was vaccinated and bottle fed... his

grandpa is a pharmacist, and his uncle a doctor. The family is VERY

entrenched in the medical industry. :(

>

How sad and what a waste!

>I have been planting seeds with other coworkers saying I wonder when he

had his last shots. Of course they look at me quizzically and say, " Can

that cause death? " Oh... you betcha!

>

Glad you are planting seeds.

>They've done an autopsy, but it could be months before the results are in.

>

>Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was

the one with the baby when he died).

Oh dear.....................yes, I will. Just an FYI for many of you -

don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age.

Sheri>

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Just an FYI for many of you -

> don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age.

> Sheri>

Yes, my cousin is in jail now for exactly this reason, the baby died in her

care and she was prosecuted and convicted. Though the baby had a history of

seizures and was being vaccinated. I contacted her lawyers with info but I do

not believe that they made their case using a vaccine defense. So sad!!

There are specifically for this and there are many childcare

providers and parents being falsely accused.

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(mailto:falsely_accused-subscribe )

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Oh Kay, how sad!!! I used to be a Nanny for 7 years and it must be

awful for that poor baby sitter to cope with what happened. The

parents will be devasted, of course but they will never find out the

truth. It is staring us in the face what killed this baby.

I remember the case of the british nanny, in 1997, that was accused of

killing the baby of her employers and now, in hindsight, I know what

really happened there.

It makes me want to scream and shout, that's how angry I am at the

injustice that is being done to our children every single day.

Ingrid

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>Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who was the

one with the baby when he died).<

It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages coincide with

the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical examiners will not

hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't even look at the

vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50 years of babies

mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would be a priority for the

medical establishment to find out why, since they don't, it implicates them in

this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a license daycare said that daycare

workers were advised at the Health and Human Services during a training session

not to care for infants the day of their routine vaccinations. That is telling

to me.

C.

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> >

Just an FYI for many of you -

> don't babysit vaccinated babies of that age.

> Sheri>

That is very good advice; I fortunatly never looked after babies as a

Nanny. If it is a nanny than she will be made responsible, if it is

the mother, she may end up in prison, as we have now seen in the UK.

But even when these 2 mothers were released from prison, after proven

innocent, nobody really said what really had caused the babies to die.

But I did remember a TV programme about one of the cases where there

was an allergy to cows milk and previous generations and babies had

died too, because of this. The 3 babies in this family all were

bottlefed with cows milk formula and probably all vaccinated, which

didn't help at all. When will people stop looking at vaccination as a

sacred cow that you just don't question? When will they wake up?

Ingrid

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Yes, with a swipe of the pen, the deaths go down on paper as being " SIDS. "

Babies don't just die for NO reason. Absolutely amazing that more people

don't link vaccinations with " SIDS. " It's easier for them to except that a

healthy baby just dies out of the blue than to think it MIGHT be from all

the toxins that are injected into a tiny, developing body every couple of

months. A full vax schedule in the US for a 2 month old is 4 shots for 6

diseases plus the oral Polio, right? Disgusting!!

Kay

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> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who

> >was the one with the baby when he died).<

>

> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages

> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical

> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't

> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50

> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would

> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they

> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a

> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and

> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day

> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me.

>

> C.

>

>

>

>

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At 04:14 PM 10/24/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Yes, with a swipe of the pen, the deaths go down on paper as being " SIDS. "

>Babies don't just die for NO reason. Absolutely amazing that more people

>don't link vaccinations with " SIDS. " It's easier for them to except that a

>healthy baby just dies out of the blue than to think it MIGHT be from all

>the toxins that are injected into a tiny, developing body every couple of

>months. A full vax schedule in the US for a 2 month old is 4 shots for 6

>diseases plus the oral Polio, right? Disgusting!!

>

>Kay

And SIDS isn't a cause - they act like that is an explanation - 'oh, it was

SIDS' - it unexplained by them. Because they won't look at the issue of

vaccine injury.

Oral polio isn't given in US anymore so its "

HIB (H. influenza meningitis) vax, Prevnar (7 strains of pneumococcal),

DTaP (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), IPV (injectable polio) and Hep B vax

if not given at birth

Yes, that is 4 or 5 shots for 6 or 7 or if you count the 7 strains of

penumococcal, its 13 'diseases'

At 4 months it is for sure 5 injections

Schedule here for those who are prepared for the shock of it all

http://www.cdc.gov/Nip/recs/child-schedule-color-print.pdf

Sheri

>

> Re: Baby Dies

>

>

>> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who

>> >was the one with the baby when he died).<

>>

>> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages

>> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical

>> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't

>> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50

>> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would

>> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they

>> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a

>> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and

>> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day

>> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me.

>>

>> C.

>>

>>

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OMG!!!!

This is sooo sad and I am keeping this family in my prayers!

My baby is only 3 months of age and I just can not even think how horrifying

this baby's mom must feel !!!!As the picture with vaccination is getting

clearer and clearer to me- I am not just planting seeds. I feel so confident

in my decision not to vaccinate my baby- I had a conversation with my MIL

and convinced her in vaccine danger, but, what's most important- one of my

Russian friend stopped vaccinating her kids after talking to me and doing

some research on her own!!!!

WE HAVE TO SHARE this information with others- people are so brainwashed -

it's amazing! BUT! When you put plain facts in front of them- their answer

is- ALL PEOPLE DO IT... Well, not all, and I am glad I am not...

Anyway, ( sorry, I can go on forever on this)

Thank you so much for sharing this devastating news- please, keep us

informed.

LEEKA

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There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from that list

are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS within 1 week of

vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of SIDS 17 days after his

shots. The autopsy of course did not show vaccines and she doesn't think that

there was a link. She has looked into it but said that because 2-6 months is

the main time for SIDS that it would be like saying you would see a red car at

the mall. In other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies

get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen to be

at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what she said. They

really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her new baby (3.5 months)

vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule.

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>

>

>> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter (who

>> >was the one with the baby when he died).<

>>

>> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages

>> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most coroners/medical

>> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they don't

>> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50

>> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it would

>> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since they

>> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who had a

>> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the Health and

>> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants the day

>> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me.

>>

>> C.

>>

>>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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Oh and have there been any studies done on large communities that don't

vaccinate? Are their level of SIDS lower like with autism there?

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And SIDS isn't a cause - they act like that is an explanation - 'oh, it was

SIDS' - it unexplained by them. Because they won't look at the issue of

vaccine injury.

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I've missed most of this conversation because I have a total of -- I'm

not making this up -- 336 unread messages in my inbox. That's just from

3 days.

However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines. My personal

theory (based also on things I've read) is that there is some genetic

or other anomaly in the infant that makes them vulnerable to losing

their ability to breathe. Perhaps this is why cosleeping, in which

close proximity to the mother helps the infant breathe better, reduces

the risk of SIDS. But take any toxic factor and it can make the infant

succumb to its anomaly. That toxic factor could be a vaccination,

chemicals in the mattress, etc. I think we've discussed on here that in

New Zealand they have developed a mattress cover that has eliminated

SIDS from the population that uses it. There's a lot of bad stuff in

mattresses that off-gasses and could overwhelm a developing nervous

system. Again, that can't be the only thing, since SIDS predates these

mattress styles. -Angie

On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Lucas wrote:

> There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from

> that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS

> within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of

> SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show

> vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked

> into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS

> that it would be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In

> other words babies die of SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get

> vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but they aren't related they just happen

> to be at the same time. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying what

> she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she is getting her

> new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule.

>

> :o) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com

>

> ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids

> Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized

> Clothing Designs

> Also lots of Halloween shirts this month!

>

> Re: Baby Dies

> >

> >

> >> >Please keep this family in your prayers as well as the babysitter

> (who

> >> >was the one with the baby when he died).<

> >>

> >> It is so sad to hear of babies dying and we all know that the ages

> >> coincide with the vaccine schedules. I believe that most

> coroners/medical

> >> examiners will not hint at the vaccine connection. I hear that they

> don't

> >> even look at the vaccines given to the baby that dies. After over 50

> >> years of babies mysteriously dying in their crib you would think it

> would

> >> be a priority for the medical establishment to find out why, since

> they

> >> don't, it implicates them in this tragedy. Years ago a friend who

> had a

> >> license daycare said that daycare workers were advised at the

> Health and

> >> Human Services during a training session not to care for infants

> the day

> >> of their routine vaccinations. That is telling to me.

> >>

> >> C.

> >>

> >>

>

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> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

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> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

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At 08:04 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>OMG!!!!

>This is sooo sad and I am keeping this family in my prayers!

>My baby is only 3 months of age and I just can not even think how horrifying

>this baby's mom must feel !!!!As the picture with vaccination is getting

>clearer and clearer to me- I am not just planting seeds. I feel so confident

>in my decision not to vaccinate my baby- I had a conversation with my MIL

>and convinced her in vaccine danger, but, what's most important- one of my

>Russian friend stopped vaccinating her kids after talking to me and doing

>some research on her own!!!!

WONDERFUL! This is the only way we will stop this - word of mouth,

grassroots just as we are doing.

I get emails from all over the world, from word of mouth. Keep on

>WE HAVE TO SHARE this information with others- people are so brainwashed -

>it's amazing! BUT! When you put plain facts in front of them- their answer

>is- ALL PEOPLE DO IT... Well, not all, and I am glad I am not...

You are right. And you have to be judicicious regarding who will listen

and who might cause you trouble.

Soo glad you are speaking out Leeka

Sheri

>

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At 10:30 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>There is a woman on another list of mine (and I think some people from

that list are also on here) who said that her 2 month old died of SIDS

within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old (another baby) died of SIDS

17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did not show vaccines and

she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked into it but said

that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS that it would be like

saying you would see a red car at the mall. In other words babies die of

SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months,

but they aren't related they just happen to be at the same time. I'm not

saying I agree I'm just saying what she said. They really don't see a

link. Sad. And she is getting her new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon

but on a delayed schedule.

Oh my gosh - she's getting the new one vaccinated? There are no words.

I'm surprised she hasn't been accused of killing them.

Do you know if she breastfed the others?

Send her the links I sent out.

Terrifying.

Sheri

>>

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At 10:43 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Oh and have there been any studies done on large communities that don't

vaccinate? Are their level of SIDS lower like with autism there?

That's the problem. Dan Olmsted brought that out in his articles earlier

this year about autism

There needs to be a study of Amish conmmunites that don't vax (some do) and

the group of doctors in Chicago and anthroposophists (Steiner/Waldorf) and

Christian Scientists.

I have never heard of SIDS in an unvaxed, but I don't know all people ;-)

Sheri

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At 11:32 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>I've missed most of this conversation because I have a total of -- I'm

>not making this up -- 336 unread messages in my inbox. That's just from

>3 days.

I know! I sent out a bunch on SIDS

>

>However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines.

This is not accurate

My personal

>theory (based also on things I've read) is that there is some genetic

>or other anomaly in the infant that makes them vulnerable to losing

>their ability to breathe.

I encourage you to read what was sent.

Relationship to vaccines, not breastfeeding.

Perhaps this is why cosleeping, in which

>close proximity to the mother helps the infant breathe better, reduces

>the risk of SIDS. But take any toxic factor and it can make the infant

>succumb to its anomaly. That toxic factor could be a vaccination,

>chemicals in the mattress, etc.

Those are both factors

I think we've discussed on here that in

>New Zealand they have developed a mattress cover that has eliminated

>SIDS from the population that uses it. There's a lot of bad stuff in

>mattresses that off-gasses and could overwhelm a developing nervous

>system. Again, that can't be the only thing, since SIDS predates these

>mattress styles. -Angie

Please take a look at what I sent on SIDS

Go to the webpage and read if you deleted

http://groups.google.com/group/vaccinations

I'll send one again

Sheri

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Hi ,

this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and of

course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no

matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her

breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you about

the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby

monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby. All

a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and maybe

some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry

cashing in on our fears.

Ingrid

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Sounds like she made some kind of connection.....Anita

Lucas <mommytogavin@...> wrote: There is a woman on another list

of mine (and I think some people from that list are also on here) who said that

her 2 month old died of SIDS within 1 week of vaccines and her 4 month old

(another baby) died of SIDS 17 days after his shots. The autopsy of course did

not show vaccines and she doesn't think that there was a link. She has looked

into it but said that because 2-6 months is the main time for SIDS that it would

be like saying you would see a red car at the mall. In other words babies die of

SIDS mostly between 2-6 month and babies get vaccines at 2, 4, & 6 months, but

they aren't related they just happen to be at the same time. I'm not saying I

agree I'm just saying what she said. They really don't see a link. Sad. And she

is getting her new baby (3.5 months) vaccinated soon but on a delayed schedule.

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I know lots of people who co-sleep and it works out fine for them, but it's

probably not fair to say that the fear is all hype.

A woman in my husband's office is married to a firefighter. He had to go to

the call here in town where the dad rolled over on the baby and suffocated it.

He absolutely would not allow any co-sleeping in their house after that and I

can't say that I blame him after witnessing the tragedy in that family. When

they had kids they had the bassinet right by the bed and the mom nursed like

that.

So while there are enormous benefits, let's make sure we don't poo-poo the

real-life stories that do, rarely, happen.

Thanks,

Sheri B.

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

Hi ,

this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and of

course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no

matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her

breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you about

the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby

monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby. All

a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and maybe

some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry

cashing in on our fears.

Ingrid

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This is exactly what my former pediatrician told me about autism: that since it

usually started showing up about the same time as the MMR.... well you know the

load of baloney.

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> >However, SIDS was around before widespread use of vaccines.

>

> This is not accurate

That's just what I've read elsewhere, in places that are not discussing

vaccines and their relation to SIDS but just discussing SIDS in general.

>

> Please take a look at what I sent on SIDS

> Go to the webpage and read if you deleted

> http://groups.google.com/group/vaccinations

>

Well, you know, maybe if I find a few more hours in my day I will. I

can't possibly keep on top of all the emails I get. From what I

understand, the mattress-wrapping thing in New Zealand has worked. I

don't think anyone on this list should underestimate the huge toxic

load in our environment around us, and the offgassing of chemicals that

makes the pollution in our homes much, much worse than outdoors.

Vaccines are NOT the cause of every bad thing out there.

-Angie

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I am a strong advocate of co-sleeping, and I believe that the

physiological regulation of the baby's breathing and heartbeat with

the mother's makes it safer regarding SIDS, along with the factor of

breastfeeding. And the fact that the mother is right there and will

most likely wake up if the baby stopped breathing. But I have non-

toxic crib mattresses on my website because I know that the majority

of babies in the U.S. are sleeping in cribs. And no matter how much

we get the message out about co-sleeping, many will still choose to

put their babies to sleep in cribs. From all the research I've seen,

I believe that babies can die sleeping on a toxic mattress. These

babies need to be protected.

Would these babies be protected from the gases in the mattresses if

they weren't vaccinated? My guess is that most of them would be,

since vaccines can make a baby more vulnerable to the gases. I know

that babies die from vaccinations alone – I'm very aware of that. But

I think it's also true that some unvaccinated babies die from the

gases in toxic mattresses. From what I understand many of the SIDS

babies in NZ were not vaccinated.

I had a heart-breaking conversation a few weeks ago with a pregnant

woman who called me to order a mattress. She said her first baby died

and was labeled SIDS. Now that she's pregnant again, she is going out

of her mind with trying to do everything she possibly can to prevent

it from happening again. The first thing I asked her was if her baby

that died was vaccinated. He had received no vaccines at all. I also

told her my views about co-sleeping. Her baby died in his parents'

bed and that's why she wants her new baby to sleep in a crib. She

also exclusively breastfed him. I can't imagine how this woman must

feel, constantly wondering if it was something she could have done

differently and so much worry and fear overshadowing the joy of her

new baby. All I could say to her was that it was NOT her fault, she

did the best she could and so much more than what most parents do to

keep her baby safe. She was an extremely good mother. Maybe the toxic

gas in the parents' bed was the cause (although I didn't say this to

her). Adult mattresses, not just crib mattresses, are toxic too. Or

sometimes maybe a baby's spirit just decides it's time to go even

after such a short time, and we just never know why.

I think it's very important to tread lightly when we talk to SIDS

families when we know a baby was vaccinated or wasn't breastfed.

There is already so much guilt and suffering. They don't need any

more guilt. Most of the time they've only done what their doctors

told them is right. But, it gets complicated since I do see it as an

important thing to educate people to try to prevent future deaths.

And many SIDS parents go on to have more babies. They need to know.

If you know of babies under a year old who are sleeping in cribs, in

addition to talking to their parents about vaccines, breastfeeding

and co-sleeping, please also try to let them know about the toxicity

of mattresses.

More about toxic mattresses:

http://www.healthychild.com/SIDS-crib-death-cause.htm

http://www.healthychild.com/toxic-chemicals-baby-mattress.htm

Jane

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>

> Hi ,

> this is all very true. Co sleeping really helps to prevent Sids and

of

> course bf, especially if the baby is vaccinated. NO mattress, no

> matter how fancy and safe, will ever replace a mother's side and her

> breast for safety. Don't believe all the nonsense they tell you

about

> the dangers of cosleeping, it is all done to sell cribs, baby

> monitors, and other baby equipment that you don't need for a baby.

All

> a baby needs is its mother and her breastmilk, some clothes and

maybe

> some nappies (diapers). Everything else is just the baby industry

> cashing in on our fears.

> Ingrid

>

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