Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Yeah, it's true that disenfranchised segments of the population believe the gov't is out to get them, or at least doesn't have their interests at heart. I think the latter statement is definitely true, not too sure about the first one. As I was saying to Rolf, it's true that large segments of society can have a bad worldview (i.e., blacks are inferior, women are inferior), but the chances of them actually getting together to come up with a really juicy conspiracy are pretty slim. The Tuskegee situation, for example, involved a small number of doctors " in the know " and also tapped into nasty societal assumptions of the time, such as that black lives weren't worth much. But I don't think the power elite of the time got around a big conference table one day, ordered donuts, and said, how can we kill off some black people? You know what I mean? I've worked for the government before (unfortunately) ... for HUD and the Veterans Administration (ordering prosthetics and wheelchairs), and, let me tell you, the majority of people who work for the government are pretty incompetent. Even the higher ups. Look at Congress, they can hardly even manage to pass a law. Look at how Bush has screwed up... well.... everything. And government is notoriously inefficient because most people are thinking about protecting their jobs and not very much about doing their jobs. Not ripe territory for a conspiracy in my book. Anyway, I'm getting too hungry to keep emailing, so I'm signing off. -Angie On Sunday, September 3, 2006, at 10:31 AM, jenlaluz wrote: > There are electronmicroscope photos about HIV on www.avert.org. They > are entitled " electronmicrograph of an HIV particle " > and " electronmicrograph of a cell producing HIV. " Is the " HIV > particle " not actually a picture of the virus? This is all new for me. > I am a social worker, and many clients feel that HIV was created to > reduce certain population groups (which I wouldn't doubt, thinking > back to Tuskegee etc.), but I haven't heard these medical critiques > before. Thanks. > > Jen L. > > ********** " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have the ability. " -Ron White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Jen, There's one purported " photo of HIV " at Wikipedia too. According to people whom I find reason to trust on such matters, Stefan Lanka and a few others, these photos are all fakes. There's one article (from 2001) by Lanka in which he shows that some " virus " photos, including a " HIV " one, are fakes. English translation at: http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm With Ransom UK, I had some correspondence some years ago. His organization, a Christian one called " Credence " , was informing on the " AIDS " business too, and at one point, the newspaper Sunday Times (I think it was) carried a big purported " HIV " picture. After some telephone calls, Steve R got the persons responsible to admit it was only an " artist's impression " . As I wrote in an earlier reply, the rumour of a " government- manufactured virus " is a hoax too - disseminated on the sly by the ruling persons themselves, using phony " opposition " puppets of theirs. They're pretty fanatical about trying to prevent people from getting to know that there's NO " HIV " , and NOTHING that might justifyably be called " AIDS " . And I disagree with you, Angie, about how 1) smart, 2) sometimes really nasty the persons in political power today are. There's one rather unknown institution in the USA, for instance, called " EIS " , " Epidemic Intellingence Service " , which is one part of the CDC, in its turn really controlled by the Pentagon. It has been called " the CIA of medicine " too. That institute it was that prepared for the invention of " HIV " and " AIDS " back in the early 1980s. Again, it's above all some people in Germany who are well-informed about these things and are disseminating their knowledge too - unfortunately, too few of their articles have been translated into English. To Angie again: It may seem that the people at the highest levels in the US government are just fumbling idiots (that's the impression you may get about the corresponding ones here in Sweden too). But they wouldn't be able to hold things together and stay in power - so far! - if they really were that, would they? NO " HIV " exists. ALL the purported photos of " it! are fakes. Rolf M. At 14:37 2006-09-03 -0400, you ( Totten <afaltotten@...>) wrote: >Yeah, it's true that disenfranchised segments of the population believe >the gov't is out to get them, or at least doesn't have their interests >at heart. I think the latter statement is definitely true, not too sure >about the first one. As I was saying to Rolf, it's true that large >segments of society can have a bad worldview (i.e., blacks are >inferior, women are inferior), but the chances of them actually getting >together to come up with a really juicy conspiracy are pretty slim. The >Tuskegee situation, for example, involved a small number of doctors " in >the know " and also tapped into nasty societal assumptions of the time, >such as that black lives weren't worth much. But I don't think the >power elite of the time got around a big conference table one day, >ordered donuts, and said, how can we kill off some black people? You >know what I mean? > >I've worked for the government before (unfortunately) ... for HUD and >the Veterans Administration (ordering prosthetics and wheelchairs), >and, let me tell you, the majority of people who work for the >government are pretty incompetent. Even the higher ups. Look at >Congress, they can hardly even manage to pass a law. Look at how Bush >has screwed up... well.... everything. And government is notoriously >inefficient because most people are thinking about protecting their >jobs and not very much about doing their jobs. Not ripe territory for a >conspiracy in my book. > >Anyway, I'm getting too hungry to keep emailing, so I'm signing off. >-Angie > > > >On Sunday, September 3, 2006, at 10:31 AM, jenlaluz wrote: > > > There are electronmicroscope photos about HIV on www.avert.org. They > > are entitled " electronmicrograph of an HIV particle " > > and " electronmicrograph of a cell producing HIV. " Is the " HIV > > particle " not actually a picture of the virus? This is all new for me. > > I am a social worker, and many clients feel that HIV was created to > > reduce certain population groups (which I wouldn't doubt, thinking > > back to Tuskegee etc.), but I haven't heard these medical critiques > > before. Thanks. > > > > Jen L. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Jen, See a reply of mine to another posting, same subject - replying both to you and Angie. Rolf M. At 14:31 2006-09-03 +0000, you (jenlaluz <jenlaluz@...>) wrote: >There are electronmicroscope photos about HIV on www.avert.org. They >are entitled " electronmicrograph of an HIV particle " >and " electronmicrograph of a cell producing HIV. " Is the " HIV >particle " not actually a picture of the virus? This is all new for me. >I am a social worker, and many clients feel that HIV was created to >reduce certain population groups (which I wouldn't doubt, thinking >back to Tuskegee etc.), but I haven't heard these medical critiques >before. Thanks. > >Jen L. >_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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