Re: Kirkmans Magnesium Cream

[Guest guest]

Rosie,

I began using the Kirkman mag. sulfate cream at bedtime about a week ago and

am having similar results. I find I fall asleep much faster but don't sleep any

longer than 8 hours. I also have been waking up with a mild headache the past

few days and just this morning figured it must be caused by the cream. I'm

going to reduce the amount I use and assume the headaches will go away. I have

no idea why this stuff should cause headaches but it obviously does. Steve B.

trosie20 <rosiecox@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have been using the Kirkman Magnesium Cream as per the Cheney DVD's

for over a week now and am finding that whilst it really makes me sleep

more - over-sleep almost, I am also getting headaches and painful

glands. Has anyone else had this and could it be indicative of a

positive or negative response? I am generally very intolerant of

magnesium supplememnts, other than in its' dilute form as part of

Concentrace, and am only using one scoop per day rubbed into my skin

just after my early evening bath.

Any comments most appreciated.

Rosie

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Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosie, and ,

Sorry you are having problems with the Mg cream. Just a thought, how

much is in a scoop?

Just that Cheney seemed to be saying on the DVDs that he is finding

really small amounts of the cream are beneficial but you need to use

it every 1-2 hours I think, so would it be worth trying quite a bit

less and then try to increase the number of doses?

We've just ordered the cream too so I'll let you know how we get on.

BW,

Sheila

> Hi all,

>

> I have been using the Kirkman Magnesium Cream as per the Cheney DVD's

> for over a week now and am finding that whilst it really makes me sleep

> more - over-sleep almost, I am also getting headaches and painful

> glands. Has anyone else had this and could it be indicative of a

> positive or negative response? I am generally very intolerant of

> magnesium supplememnts, other than in its' dilute form as part of

> Concentrace, and am only using one scoop per day rubbed into my skin

> just after my early evening bath.

>

> Any comments most appreciated.

>

> Rosie

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rosia

1 gram = 1,000 mg.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " Rosie " _rosiecox@... _

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_octrosie20 _ (h

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Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:19 am (PST)

Hi Sheila,

One scoop seems to be equal to 1 gram I think, and that's 100mg of Epsom

Salts. On the jar it says it can be used at that quantity 4 times a

day, but I suppose that's not necessarily directed at pwme. I'll reduce

the amount considerably for a single dose and then work up to multiple

doses if I can tolerate it.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

That does not make sense. Epsom salt is Mg sulfate SO4. And, you seem to

tolerate other sulfates.

Subscribe to Ownes' sulfurstories and ask the question there.

What else is in the cream? It may be the cream itself. I make my own,

using a lotion that causes me no problems.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " lowcreoch " _campbells53@... _

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_lowcreoch _

(lowcreoch)

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:44 am (PST)

Hi Janet and Rosie,

Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium

sulphate in the cream...

BW,

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Many thanks for your reply. It is actually very reassuring to hear that

someone else is experiencing the same thing - at least I know I'm not

unique and there is a definite correlation of cause and effect. I shall

do as you are doing and reduce the amount I use and see if this helps.

BW

Rosie

Rosie,

I began using the Kirkman mag. sulfate cream at bedtime about a week ago

and am having similar results. I find I fall asleep much faster but

don't sleep any longer than 8 hours. I also have been waking up with a

mild headache the past few days and just this morning figured it must be

caused by the cream. I'm going to reduce the amount I use and assume the

headaches will go away. I have no idea why this stuff should cause

headaches but it obviously does. Steve B.

---------------------------------

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet and Rosie,

Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium

sulphate in the cream...

BW,

Sheila

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> This sounds interesting as it may explain why I'm having probs..but can

> you tell me what CBS is? Apologies for being thick!

> Rosie

>

> If you are CBS upregulated you can only use this product in LIMITED

> doses.

>

> Janet

>

> _

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi mjh,

I agree doesn't make sense.It is epsom salt baths that I have trouble

with, even 1/4 cup in bathful of water. My doc suggested it might be

because my liver is not working right.

BW,

Sheila

>

> That does not make sense. Epsom salt is Mg sulfate SO4. And, you

seem to

> tolerate other sulfates.

>

> Subscribe to Ownes' sulfurstories and ask the question there.

>

> What else is in the cream? It may be the cream itself. I make my

own,

> using a lotion that causes me no problems.

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

>

>

> Posted by: " lowcreoch " _campbells53@... _

> (mailto:campbells53@...?Subject= Re:%20Kirkmans%20Magnesium%20Cream)

_lowcreoch _

> (lowcreoch)

> Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:44 am (PST)

> Hi Janet and Rosie,

>

> Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

>

> I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium

> sulphate in the cream...

>

> BW,

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Magnesium sulphate is very direct sulphur supplemetation so just a

guess but perhaps, it feeds the CBS more directly and quickly than

say food sources of sulphur.

There are some people who weren't aware of problems with sulphur who

have turned out to have CBS up-regulation or SOUX issues

>

>

> Hi mjh,

> I agree doesn't make sense.It is epsom salt baths that I have

trouble

> with, even 1/4 cup in bathful of water. My doc suggested it might be

> because my liver is not working right.

> BW,

> Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

In case we haven't noticed, many things don't make sense with us. I can tolerate

Epsom salts, MG sulphate cream, Taurine, Immunopro, and SAM-e, but not MSM, or

much tumeric or as much garlic as in the past. Other foods...it varies. It will

not surprise me if it continues to vary.

About Kirkman's cream, the woman there told me it has more sulphate than

Mg...don't know if that's right.

Also, I missed what you are calling a " scoop " . Dr. Cheney said a teaspoon and I

think I use a little less than that.

Katrina

> >

> > That does not make sense. Epsom salt is Mg sulfate SO4. And, you

> seem to

> > tolerate other sulfates.

> >

> > Subscribe to Ownes' sulfurstories and ask the question there.

> >

> > What else is in the cream? It may be the cream itself. I make my

> own,

> > using a lotion that causes me no problems.

> >

> > mjh

> > " The Basil Book "

> > _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " lowcreoch " _campbells53@ _

> > (mailto:campbells53@?Subject= Re:%20Kirkmans%20Magnesium%20Cream)

> _lowcreoch _

> > (lowcreoch)

> > Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:44 am (PST)

> > Hi Janet and Rosie,

> >

> > Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> > upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> > can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> > taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

> >

> > I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium

> > sulphate in the cream...

> >

> > BW,

> >

> > Sheila

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila and Rosie

Being CBS up-regulated would mean that your methylation cycle products are being

" drained "

down the trans-sulphation path i.e. homocysteine is being rapidly converted

cystathionine

and then to sulphur-containing compounds. Yasko says that if you're CBS

up-regulated

*and* your methylation cycle is working properly, you'll probably have too much

sulphur in

your body. I think the key is the " and " - if the methylation cycle isn't

working ok, you

may be ok with sulphur. I don't have any problems with sulphur containing foods

or MgSO4

injections and I'm CBS up-regulated. I haven't yet started supplementing the

methylation

cycle.

Sue

lowcreoch wrote:

> Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

[Guest guest]

Forgot to say that CBS refers to the cystathione B-synthase enzyme that converts

homocysteine to cystathione.

[Guest guest]

Rosie,

Obviously the body needs some sulphur so moderation is the key, but

high sulphur foods/supplements include:

Eggs especially the yolk

broccoli and other cruciferous veg

garlic and onions (less sulphur when sauteed)

Preserved fruit, potato products etc

grapes (usually sprayed with sulphur during cultivation)

wine

coconut oil, milk and juice

milk thistle

NAC

SAMe

taurine

glutathione

ALA

(all sulphites and sulphates)

I'm sure someone will add what I've missed.

and have a look at anything that's

> > Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a

CBS

> > upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain

why I

> > can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods

and

> > taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosie

My homocysteine levels were low when measured, in 2003:

4.5μmol/l <6.9μmol/l - low risk

But I've always tolerated sulphur-containing foods well. Until recently I was

supplementing with large quantities of garlic because it's supposed to chelate

nickel,

which is one of my known problems.

I've reduced sulphur containing foods recently and I'm feeling brighter, (almost

hyper at

time), and I have more energy. But I started low dose thyroid medication at

about the

same time, so I'm not sure which is having the effect.

Sue

Rosie wrote:

> Would a very low (and therefore well-working) homocysteine level be a

> marker for at least part of what you have described? When taken in 2003

> my homocysteine level was 5.9 - so pretty healthy, but have mega trouble

> with all versions of magnesium (other than - as I mentioned before - the

> tiny amount in Concentrace which does seem to have a calming effect).

[Guest guest]

>>>I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium sulphate in

the cream...<<<

>Sheila and others,

There are creams and lotions made from other forms of magnesium, besides

sulphate.

Before Dr. Cheney told me about using a cream, Kirkman's, I found one at my

compounding pharmacy, and several others in google search.

The one I use is very soothing...it's in a gel with essential oils and smells

yummy. It contains magnesium chloride. I did tell Dr, Cheney I'd been using it,

but can't remember what he said...I don't think he said how it compares with Mg

sulphate.

I decided to get Kirkman's since he was using it and now I use them both

alternately. I also use them for muscle tightness.

I use Magnesium Glycinate orally and Mg Sulphate IM.

In my appointment he had said something like for the heart, use Magnesium in any

and all forms, so I do.

TC,

Katrina

> >

> > That does not make sense. Epsom salt is Mg sulfate SO4. And, you

> seem to

> > tolerate other sulfates.

> >

> > Subscribe to Ownes' sulfurstories and ask the question there.

> >

> > What else is in the cream? It may be the cream itself. I make my

> own,

> > using a lotion that causes me no problems.

> >

> > mjh

> > " The Basil Book "

> > _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil> >

> > Posted by: " lowcreoch " _campbells53@ _

> > Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:44 am (PST)

> > Hi Janet and Rosie,

> >

> > Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> > upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> > can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> > taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

> >

I had been hoping I could manage the small amounts of magnesium

> > sulphate in the cream...

> >

> > BW,

> >

> > Sheila