Crashing-Does Anyone Have this Symptom???

[Guest guest]

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

[Guest guest]

Oh yes. But I burn on my face, feet, hands and arms, sometimes every inch of my

body. I say it feels like having someone scrape a sunburn with sandpaper. And

it's happening more and more. Especially the palms of my hands. I have no idea

what is going on. Weirdly enough the only thing that seems to help is a glass

of red wine with dinner. I guess it numbs the sensation.

However I want to mention that when I was going through menapause my feet

would be so hot they felt like they were burning and come to find out this is

quite common. Are you there yet? I had to sleep with my feet out of the

blankets. I would love an answer to this one as it's uncomfortable as haides.

Cheers, Edy

alwaysacutie2u <jgstev716@...> wrote:

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

[Guest guest]

HI Edy,

I went thru menopause in 2002 but I am still on hormones foe the hot flashes.

I will you one thing, this feet burning business only happens to me when I

crash. Got to be related to that, I think. Hurts like heck!!!! My first guess,

toxins???

Janet

in San Diego

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Oh yes. But I burn on my face, feet, hands and arms, sometimes every

inch of my body. I say it feels like having someone scrape a sunburn with

sandpaper. And it's happening more and more. Especially the palms of my hands. I

have no idea what is going on. Weirdly enough the only thing that seems to help

is a glass of red wine with dinner. I guess it numbs the sensation.

However I want to mention that when I was going through menapause my feet would

be so hot they felt like they were burning and come to find out this is quite

common. Are you there yet? I had to sleep with my feet out of the blankets. I

would love an answer to this one as it's uncomfortable as haides. Cheers, Edy

alwaysacutie2u <jgstev716@...> wrote:

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Well, could be. I know that if you rub garlic on the soles of your feet

within a half hour you'll have it on your breath. True fact. Have you thought

about the detox foot pads that , the betterhealthguy has talked about. I

actually got some, but since I don't know if this is an allergic reaction to

something or not I'm reluctant to put even herbs on my skin. Maybe Rich or Kurt

have some input on this one.

I'm on hormones, too, and it stopped the foot burning quickly. I use an

estrogen patch .05 and progesterone cream. Bioidentical. They seem to work

well. It really does hurt doesn't it?! Been there, done that. Good Luck, Edy

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote:

HI Edy,

I went thru menopause in 2002 but I am still on hormones foe the hot flashes. I

will you one thing, this feet burning business only happens to me when I crash.

Got to be related to that, I think. Hurts like heck!!!! My first guess,

toxins???

Janet

in San Diego

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Oh yes. But I burn on my face, feet, hands and arms, sometimes every inch of my

body. I say it feels like having someone scrape a sunburn with sandpaper. And

it's happening more and more. Especially the palms of my hands. I have no idea

what is going on. Weirdly enough the only thing that seems to help is a glass of

red wine with dinner. I guess it numbs the sensation.

However I want to mention that when I was going through menapause my feet would

be so hot they felt like they were burning and come to find out this is quite

common. Are you there yet? I had to sleep with my feet out of the blankets. I

would love an answer to this one as it's uncomfortable as haides. Cheers, Edy

alwaysacutie2u <jgstev716@...> wrote:

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

[Guest guest]

I myself think it must be neuropathy. I say that because the burning stopped

entirely shortly after I began b12 shots. My feet had burned for years before.

Adrienne

Crashing-Does Anyone Have this Symptom???

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi all, Really we all have such absurd symptoms that it could be just about

anything. I myself have been taking B12 shots for years and it didn't coincide

with the burning, but anything, and I mean anything! is possible. What a puzzle

we have to deal with. Best to y'all. Edy

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote: I myself think it must be

neuropathy. I say that because the burning stopped entirely shortly after I

began b12 shots. My feet had burned for years before.

Adrienne

Crashing-Does Anyone Have this Symptom???

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Are you sure you are taking big enough doses of b12?

Adrienne

Crashing-Does Anyone Have this Symptom???

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Adrienne, Janet and the group.

I think that's very interesting.

It's a fact that a methylation deficit will cause neurological

problems, and the B12 is needed to form methylcobalamin to keep the

methylation cycle operating properly. When people become deficient

in B12, the neurological problems happen earlier than the red blood

cell problems (megaloblastic anemia, or low red blood cell count

with larger than normal red blood cells), which the doctors usually

use as a sign of B12 or folate deficiency, so people can be

suffering from this and not have it detected in a routine blood test.

I think this might tie in with Janet's experience, also. As you may

recall, I believe that crashes occur when a PWC, who is running

right on the ragged edge of having just enough glutathione to

function, experiences something that lowers it further. As you may

also recall, I believe that the glutathione depletion in many PWCs

is tied to a block in the methylation cycle by a vicious circle

mechanism. Therefore, I think it's plausible that during a crash,

the methylation capacity might go down as well as the glutathione

level going down, and I think that could give rise to neurological

symptoms. This is an unproven hypothesis, but I think it might fit

the observations as well as the known biochemistry and physiology

well.

Rich

>

> I myself think it must be neuropathy. I say that because the

burning stopped entirely shortly after I began b12 shots. My feet

had burned for years before.

> Adrienne

> Crashing-Does Anyone Have this

Symptom???

>

>

> HI All//Rich,

>

> I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet

hurt

> and BURN!!!!

>

> Is anyone else experiencing this???

>

> Any ideas of why???

>

> Thank you all for your help,

>

> Janet

> in San Diego

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the input Rich. I kind of wanted to ask;

I have been using hydroxycobalamine all along except for when there was a brief

shortage and I used one bottle of the methyl.

The hydroxyl seemed, maybe, to work a smidgen better, and was cheaper, so I

stuck w. it.

I am about to get the glutathione RBC test. If it is indeed low, do you

recommend switching the b12?

Thanks,

Adrienne

Crashing-Does Anyone Have this

Symptom???

>

>

> HI All//Rich,

>

> I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet

hurt

> and BURN!!!!

>

> Is anyone else experiencing this???

>

> Any ideas of why???

>

> Thank you all for your help,

>

> Janet

> in San Diego

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

HI Rich,

Thank you for that info. Now that I am finally over the yeast infection (and I

think this happen from the diarehia I had for a month trying the Whey Protien

Isolate, you know just upended my gut) I will start back on the glutathione and

raise my B-12. Burning, hurting feet I can do without.

Thank you,

Janet

in San Diego

rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote:

Hi, Adrienne, Janet and the group.

I think that's very interesting.

It's a fact that a methylation deficit will cause neurological

problems, and the B12 is needed to form methylcobalamin to keep the

methylation cycle operating properly. When people become deficient

in B12, the neurological problems happen earlier than the red blood

cell problems (megaloblastic anemia, or low red blood cell count

with larger than normal red blood cells), which the doctors usually

use as a sign of B12 or folate deficiency, so people can be

suffering from this and not have it detected in a routine blood test.

I think this might tie in with Janet's experience, also. As you may

recall, I believe that crashes occur when a PWC, who is running

right on the ragged edge of having just enough glutathione to

function, experiences something that lowers it further. As you may

also recall, I believe that the glutathione depletion in many PWCs

is tied to a block in the methylation cycle by a vicious circle

mechanism. Therefore, I think it's plausible that during a crash,

the methylation capacity might go down as well as the glutathione

level going down, and I think that could give rise to neurological

symptoms. This is an unproven hypothesis, but I think it might fit

the observations as well as the known biochemistry and physiology

well.

Rich

>

> I myself think it must be neuropathy. I say that because the

burning stopped entirely shortly after I began b12 shots. My feet

had burned for years before.

> Adrienne

> Crashing-Does Anyone Have this

Symptom???

>

>

> HI All//Rich,

>

> I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet

hurt

> and BURN!!!!

>

> Is anyone else experiencing this???

>

> Any ideas of why???

>

> Thank you all for your help,

>

> Janet

> in San Diego

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have always experienced this. I think the B vits help.

Gail

alwaysacutie2u wrote:

>

> HI All//Rich,

>

> I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

> and BURN!!!!

>

> Is anyone else experiencing this???

>

> Any ideas of why???

>

> Thank you all for your help,

>

> Janet

> in San Diego

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, Adrienne, Janet and the group.

>

> I think that's very interesting.

>

>> ...I think this might tie in with Janet's experience, also. As

you may

> recall, I believe that crashes occur when a PWC, who is running

> right on the ragged edge of having just enough glutathione to

> function, experiences something that lowers it further...

Is crashing the same as post-exertional malaise? It seems to me,

that that comes from our bodies reacting with or attacking something

coming out of our bone marrow, namely after exertion.

I read some article on stem cells, and how a man's marrow was

implanted into a woman's bones, and when she eventually died and

they did an autopsy, she had brain cells with xy chromosomes, I

can't remember the signifigance of this, I guess that marrow

contained pluripotent stem cells, but it spurred some thought.

This also would explain the joint ache, as the hip(femur) and

shoulder(humerous) would be the biggest producers of stem cells(or

whatever) that would be released after exertion to stimulate

healing, or new growth, whatever, and if our bodies attacked itself,

then this would be the hot point of the attack.

Maybe? The no swelling or redness might negate this, but just a

thought.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet et al,

I too have had the burning sole-of-feet thing especially when I relapsed

very badly with my temperature problems. I still get it in bed at night

and often associated with restless legs (which is a fairly recent and

irritating symptom). I wasn't aware they were also associated with

menopause. I'm still not properly there but I think there are a lot of

pointers to say that I am firmly in the peri-menopause bit of life right

now so this burning feet thing could be linked.

I too find wine helps - not with this particular sensation but with my

temperature problems. My theory is that alcohol depresses the cns and

so it's not over-firing?

Rosie

Subject: Re: Crashing-Does Anyone Have this

Symptom???

Oh yes. But I burn on my face, feet, hands and arms, sometimes every

inch of my body. I say it feels like having someone scrape a sunburn

with sandpaper. And it's happening more and more. Especially the palms

of my hands. I have no idea what is going on. Weirdly enough the only

thing that seems to help is a glass of red wine with dinner. I guess it

numbs the sensation.

However I want to mention that when I was going through menapause my

feet would be so hot they felt like they were burning and come to find

out this is quite common. Are you there yet? I had to sleep with my feet

out of the blankets. I would love an answer to this one as it's

uncomfortable as haides. Cheers, Edy

alwaysacutie2u <jgstev716@sbcglobal <mailto:jgstev716%40sbcglobal.net>

..net> wrote:

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

[Guest guest]

Hi Adrienne, Maybe. I honestly don't know. I used to inject 1cc daily for a

few years. Did nothing. Now I inject (methylcobalamin) twice a week, 1cc, and

daily use sublingual tabs of methylcobalamin 1 milligram, plus 10 milligrams

Folic acid sublingual. In testing found my levels low and pathways blocked or

not there. Got any suggestions? I actually have lyme, but for many, many years

have cascaded into all the CFS stuff. Hard to tell which is going on. Thanks

for input, Edy

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote: Are you sure you are

taking big enough doses of b12?

Adrienne

Crashing-Does Anyone Have this Symptom???

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

HI Rosie,

Try upping your folic acid to 5 grams a day. Use various forms. That should

help with the restless legs. Use B-12. (Thats what Rich just indicated to me for

the burning with the folic acid.)

Janet

in San Diego

Rosie <rosiecox@...> wrote:

Hi Janet et al,

I too have had the burning sole-of-feet thing especially when I relapsed

very badly with my temperature problems. I still get it in bed at night

and often associated with restless legs (which is a fairly recent and

irritating symptom). I wasn't aware they were also associated with

menopause. I'm still not properly there but I think there are a lot of

pointers to say that I am firmly in the peri-menopause bit of life right

now so this burning feet thing could be linked.

I too find wine helps - not with this particular sensation but with my

temperature problems. My theory is that alcohol depresses the cns and

so it's not over-firing?

Rosie

Subject: Re: Crashing-Does Anyone Have this

Symptom???

Oh yes. But I burn on my face, feet, hands and arms, sometimes every

inch of my body. I say it feels like having someone scrape a sunburn

with sandpaper. And it's happening more and more. Especially the palms

of my hands. I have no idea what is going on. Weirdly enough the only

thing that seems to help is a glass of red wine with dinner. I guess it

numbs the sensation.

However I want to mention that when I was going through menapause my

feet would be so hot they felt like they were burning and come to find

out this is quite common. Are you there yet? I had to sleep with my feet

out of the blankets. I would love an answer to this one as it's

uncomfortable as haides. Cheers, Edy

alwaysacutie2u <jgstev716@sbcglobal <mailto:jgstev716%40sbcglobal.net>

..net> wrote:

HI All//Rich,

I am finding that when I crash and until I am over it, my feet hurt

and BURN!!!!

Is anyone else experiencing this???

Any ideas of why???

Thank you all for your help,

Janet

in San Diego