Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I saw Thuja and nosodes mentioned here in the pet discussion of the last few days. I remembered something I had saved from the ClassicalHomeopathyPets list that Magda (list owner) had written on this topic. Kay *************************** Since the everlasting subject of using Thuja to " antidote " vaccines has come up again, here is a reposting of an article I wrote a long time ago addressing this issue! Magda Aguila Aquiline Animal Nutrition and Homeopathic Consultations Subject: Vaccinosis improper use of thuja and Lyssin This is pet peeve of mine, so here we go again! Homeopathy is a VERY individualized science AND an art! Remedies are never prescribed in the same manner as allopathic drugs. So, there is no such thing as Thuja for vaccinosis or Lyssin to antidote the rabies vaccine. Homeopathy has several building blocks. Of these, the most commonly known are: 1. The remedy that is MOST similar to the disease symptoms. 2. The SINGLE remedy. 3. The smallest dose. Keeping these three points as the basis for homeopathy, it would logically follow that: In order to use a remedy to treat the adverse reaction to any vaccine, then the remedy that is MOST SIMILAR to the reaction's symptoms should be use. Only ONE remedy should be used and that remedy should be used in the smallest dose possible that will make an effect on the violence of the reaction. Thuja is a remedy that was made " famous " by Dr. J. Comptom Burnett as being a vaccinosis remedy. At the time that Comptom Burnett used Thuja to treat vaccinosis (the ill effects of vaccines as well as the ACCUMULATED AND INHERITED ill effects of vaccines), the ONLY VACCINE AVAILABLE was the smallpox vaccine. Therefore, Thuja will be a good remedy to use when the reaction to ANY vaccine produces symptoms similar to smallpox or the reaction to smallpox vaccine. These symptoms would be growths (including warts, cysts, etc), swelling, redness, etc. If these symptoms are NOT part of the symptoms created by the reaction, then Thuja WILL NOT CURE! Lyssin is the nosode for rabies. Nosodes are made with noxious substances (hence the word noso - from the Greek). This means that substances from the disease are used to make the remedy. In the cases of Lyssin, the saliva of a rabid animal is used to prepare the remedy. Because Homeoapthy is an energy-based healing science, and because of the way in which remedies are made, by the time that you get to the 6C potency, there is NOTHING of the original substance left in the remedy, EXCEPT THE ENERGY of the substance. When using Lyssin, you are introducing the ENERGY OF RABIES into the animal's body. Unless the reaction to the rabies vaccine has created the SAME SYMPTOMS AS RABIES, then Lyssin is not only the incorrect remedy to use it is also A VERY DANGEROUS REMEDY TO USE. Nosodes ARE NOT BE USED lightly! Nosodes contain the energy of the diseases the remedies are made from. The repeated use of nosodes whether in a prophylactic manner or to " antidote " vaccines IS NOT ONLY DANGEROUS, BUT ANTI-HOMEOPATHIC! The Homeopathic Masters used homeopathic remedies and nosodes in a prophylactic manner in healthy persons DURING EPIDEMICS. They were NEVER used three or four months BEFORE an epidemic, they were NEVER used if the disease was not making the rounds! They were only used to prevent healthy individuals from contracting a disease when everyone else around them was getting sick!. Neither Thuja NOR Lyssin will ANTIDOTE a vaccine. No remedy does that! The best antidote to a vaccine is NOT GIVING IT! If people feel that they MUST give a vaccine, then AND ONLY WHEN THE SYMPTOMS APPEAR, constitutional Homeopathic treatment is THE ONLY WAY to liberate the lifeforce from the damage that the vaccine does to it. Magda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 At 10:08 AM 5/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I saw Thuja and nosodes mentioned here in the pet discussion of the last few >days. I remembered something I had saved from the ClassicalHomeopathyPets >list that Magda (list owner) had written on this topic. > >Kay >*************************** > >Since the everlasting subject of using Thuja to " antidote " vaccines has come >up again, here is a reposting of an article I wrote a long time ago > addressing this issue! > > Magda Aguila >Aquiline >Animal Nutrition and Homeopathic Consultations > > Subject: Vaccinosis improper use of thuja and Lyssin > thanks for sharing that excellent article, Kay >If people feel that they MUST give a vaccine, then AND ONLY WHEN THE >SYMPTOMS APPEAR, constitutional Homeopathic treatment >is THE ONLY WAY to liberate the lifeforce from the damage that the vaccine >does to it. AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will have success undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional treatment, but that is the way to go. Sheri> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people have a false sense of security about vaxing and then using homeopathy afterwards to pick up the pieces. It would be nice if it were that simple, but it's not. Kay ************************* AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will have success undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional treatment, but that is the way to go. Sheri> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I have no false sense of security Kay. I am using thuja and nosodes as prescribed by our homoeopathic vet in the hope of minimising vaccine damage from vaxes that we had no choice but to accept or our pet would not be allowed into our new country of residence. I would far sooner he had never received them....and I'm just praying he's one of the lucky ones. If he does get sick in the future, we'll never know if it was the vaxes or not, will we? But I'd sure as hell feel guilty! Sue > Re: Thuja & Lyssin to antidote animal vaccines > > > Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people > have a false sense of security about vaxing and then using > homeopathy afterwards to pick up the pieces. It would be nice if > it were that simple, but it's not. > > Kay > > ************************* > AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will > have success > undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional > treatment, but that is the way to go. > > Sheri> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Hi Sue, Actually I was referring to the vets that give their clients that " false sense of security " by letting them think if their pet has a reaction, just give Thuja or Lyssin to counteract it. People put their trust in their vets and assume the vet knows what's best. I took my pup to a vet who wanted to give him the rabies vax when he was 4 or 5 months old. She was supposedly a " homeopathic " vet and told me when I questioned her about possible reactions... her exact words were, " Oh, don't worry about that. If he has a reaction we'll just treat him with Thuja. " Fortunately I had already learned that this was NOT the safe way to go about it. I left and never went back to her. As Magda stated in her article, it is a HUGE misconception among many homeopathic vets that Thuja and Lyssin are the catch all remedies for vaccine reactions. This is NOT the case. Like she says, homeopathy is an individualized form of treatment (as you already know), and giving " X " remedy for " Y " disease or illness is using homeopathy in an allopathic manner. Your pup may very well need Thuja if he develops a reaction from his vaxes. If that is the remedy that fits the totality of his symptoms then it IS the one for him. But you won't know that until the symptoms develop. On the TAV and CHP lists there is a question almost weekly by someone new to the list asking about the use of Thuja for vaccine reactions. Either they heard from someone that this is the case, or their vet told them this. And as Magda stated, this is one of her pet peeves, as that is not practicing safe homeopathy. I hope your dog doesn't need any treatment. It's great that he doesn't have to get the rabies vax, as this is one of the most damaging vaccines for pets. I wanted to let people know that there is no magic bullet to antidote a vaccine. The symptoms, once they appear, can be addressed by a classical homeopath, but as Sheri stated, even this is no guarantee to undo the damage. I didn't mean to offend you, and I invite you to check out the lists I mentioned (TruthAboutVaccines and ClassicalHomeopathyPets) on groups. All the best. Kay Re: Thuja & Lyssin to antidote animal vaccines > > > Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people > have a false sense of security about vaxing and then using > homeopathy afterwards to pick up the pieces. It would be nice if > it were that simple, but it's not. > > Kay > > ************************* > AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will > have success > undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional > treatment, but that is the way to go. > > Sheri> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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