Thuja & Lyssin to antidote animal vaccines

[Guest guest]

I saw Thuja and nosodes mentioned here in the pet discussion of the last few

days. I remembered something I had saved from the ClassicalHomeopathyPets

list that Magda (list owner) had written on this topic.

Kay

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Since the everlasting subject of using Thuja to " antidote " vaccines has come

up again, here is a reposting of an article I wrote a long time ago

addressing this issue!

Magda Aguila

Aquiline

Animal Nutrition and Homeopathic Consultations

Subject: Vaccinosis improper use of thuja and Lyssin

This is pet peeve of mine, so here we go again!

Homeopathy is a VERY individualized science AND an art! Remedies are never

prescribed in the same manner as allopathic drugs.

So, there is no such thing as Thuja for vaccinosis or Lyssin to antidote the

rabies vaccine.

Homeopathy has several building blocks. Of these, the most commonly known

are:

1. The remedy that is MOST similar to the disease symptoms.

2. The SINGLE remedy.

3. The smallest dose.

Keeping these three points as the basis for homeopathy, it would logically

follow that:

In order to use a remedy to treat the adverse reaction to any vaccine, then

the remedy that is MOST SIMILAR to the reaction's

symptoms should be use. Only ONE remedy should be used and that remedy

should be used in the smallest dose possible that will

make an effect on the violence of the reaction.

Thuja is a remedy that was made " famous " by Dr. J. Comptom Burnett as being

a vaccinosis remedy. At the time that Comptom Burnett

used Thuja to treat vaccinosis (the ill effects of vaccines as well as the

ACCUMULATED AND INHERITED ill effects of vaccines),

the ONLY VACCINE AVAILABLE was the smallpox vaccine. Therefore, Thuja will

be a good remedy to use when the reaction to ANY vaccine

produces symptoms similar to smallpox or the reaction to smallpox vaccine.

These symptoms would be growths (including warts, cysts,

etc), swelling, redness, etc. If these symptoms are NOT part of the

symptoms created by the reaction, then Thuja WILL NOT CURE!

Lyssin is the nosode for rabies. Nosodes are made with noxious substances

(hence the word noso - from the Greek). This means

that substances from the disease are used to make the remedy. In the cases

of Lyssin, the saliva of a rabid animal is used

to prepare the remedy. Because Homeoapthy is an energy-based healing

science, and because of the way in which remedies are

made, by the time that you get to the 6C potency, there is NOTHING of the

original substance left in the remedy, EXCEPT THE ENERGY of the substance.

When using Lyssin, you are introducing the ENERGY OF RABIES into the

animal's body. Unless the reaction to the rabies vaccine has created the

SAME SYMPTOMS AS RABIES, then Lyssin is not only the incorrect remedy to use

it is also A VERY DANGEROUS REMEDY TO USE.

Nosodes ARE NOT BE USED lightly! Nosodes contain the energy of the diseases

the remedies are made from. The repeated use

of nosodes whether in a prophylactic manner or to " antidote " vaccines IS NOT

ONLY DANGEROUS, BUT ANTI-HOMEOPATHIC!

The Homeopathic Masters used homeopathic remedies and nosodes in a

prophylactic manner in healthy persons DURING EPIDEMICS.

They were NEVER used three or four months BEFORE an epidemic, they were

NEVER used if the disease was not making the rounds!

They were only used to prevent healthy individuals from contracting a

disease when everyone else around them was getting sick!.

Neither Thuja NOR Lyssin will ANTIDOTE a vaccine. No remedy does that! The

best antidote to a vaccine is NOT GIVING IT!

If people feel that they MUST give a vaccine, then AND ONLY WHEN THE

SYMPTOMS APPEAR, constitutional Homeopathic treatment

is THE ONLY WAY to liberate the lifeforce from the damage that the vaccine

does to it.

Magda

[Guest guest]

At 10:08 AM 5/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>I saw Thuja and nosodes mentioned here in the pet discussion of the last few

>days. I remembered something I had saved from the ClassicalHomeopathyPets

>list that Magda (list owner) had written on this topic.

>

>Kay

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>

>Since the everlasting subject of using Thuja to " antidote " vaccines has come

>up again, here is a reposting of an article I wrote a long time ago

> addressing this issue!

>

> Magda Aguila

>Aquiline

>Animal Nutrition and Homeopathic Consultations

>

> Subject: Vaccinosis improper use of thuja and Lyssin

>

thanks for sharing that excellent article, Kay

>If people feel that they MUST give a vaccine, then AND ONLY WHEN THE

>SYMPTOMS APPEAR, constitutional Homeopathic treatment

>is THE ONLY WAY to liberate the lifeforce from the damage that the vaccine

>does to it.

AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will have success

undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional

treatment, but that is the way to go.

Sheri>

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[Guest guest]

Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people have a false

sense of security about vaxing and then using homeopathy afterwards to pick up

the pieces. It would be nice if it were that simple, but it's not.

Kay

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AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will have success

undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional

treatment, but that is the way to go.

Sheri>

[Guest guest]

I have no false sense of security Kay. I am using thuja and nosodes as

prescribed by our homoeopathic vet in the hope of minimising vaccine damage

from vaxes that we had no choice but to accept or our pet would not be

allowed into our new country of residence. I would far sooner he had never

received them....and I'm just praying he's one of the lucky ones. If he

does get sick in the future, we'll never know if it was the vaxes or not,

will we? But I'd sure as hell feel guilty!

Sue

> Re: Thuja & Lyssin to antidote animal vaccines

>

>

> Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people

> have a false sense of security about vaxing and then using

> homeopathy afterwards to pick up the pieces. It would be nice if

> it were that simple, but it's not.

>

> Kay

>

> *************************

> AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will

> have success

> undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional

> treatment, but that is the way to go.

>

> Sheri>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Actually I was referring to the vets that give their clients that " false sense

of security " by letting them think if their pet has a reaction, just give Thuja

or Lyssin to counteract it. People put their trust in their vets and assume the

vet knows what's best. I took my pup to a vet who wanted to give him the rabies

vax when he was 4 or 5 months old. She was supposedly a " homeopathic " vet and

told me when I questioned her about possible reactions... her exact words were,

" Oh, don't worry about that. If he has a reaction we'll just treat him with

Thuja. " Fortunately I had already learned that this was NOT the safe way to go

about it. I left and never went back to her.

As Magda stated in her article, it is a HUGE misconception among many

homeopathic vets that Thuja and Lyssin are the catch all remedies for vaccine

reactions. This is NOT the case. Like she says, homeopathy is an

individualized form of treatment (as you already know), and giving " X " remedy

for " Y " disease or illness is using homeopathy in an allopathic manner.

Your pup may very well need Thuja if he develops a reaction from his vaxes. If

that is the remedy that fits the totality of his symptoms then it IS the one for

him. But you won't know that until the symptoms develop.

On the TAV and CHP lists there is a question almost weekly by someone new to the

list asking about the use of Thuja for vaccine reactions. Either they heard

from someone that this is the case, or their vet told them this. And as Magda

stated, this is one of her pet peeves, as that is not practicing safe

homeopathy.

I hope your dog doesn't need any treatment. It's great that he doesn't have to

get the rabies vax, as this is one of the most damaging vaccines for pets.

I wanted to let people know that there is no magic bullet to antidote a vaccine.

The symptoms, once they appear, can be addressed by a classical homeopath, but

as Sheri stated, even this is no guarantee to undo the damage.

I didn't mean to offend you, and I invite you to check out the lists I mentioned

(TruthAboutVaccines and ClassicalHomeopathyPets) on groups.

All the best.

Kay

Re: Thuja & Lyssin to antidote animal vaccines

>

>

> Good point, Sheri, for animals AND humans. I think some people

> have a false sense of security about vaxing and then using

> homeopathy afterwards to pick up the pieces. It would be nice if

> it were that simple, but it's not.

>

> Kay

>

> *************************

> AND I would add there is NO guarantee that we homeopaths will

> have success

> undoing the injury/damage from the vaccine, even with constitutional

> treatment, but that is the way to go.

>

> Sheri>