Vitamin C articles & info summarized

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From my reading and talking to those who know - Sodium Ascorbate powder -

can take higher doses without bowel problems

Sheri

Here is a summary of the Vitamin C articles I've posted before

>From one of the most

knowledgable docs on Vit C - also mentions Archie Kalokerinos MD in

Australia who discovered cure for SIDS in aboriginal babies (too bad we

don't use it here - Vit C)

http://doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html

Why A Sick Body Needs So Much Vitamin C

Megadoses: Why?

Home

The Third Face of Vitamin C

F. Cathcart, M.D.

Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

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http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Journal of Applied Nutrition Vol. 23, No's 3 & 4, Winter 1971

Observations On the Dose and Administration of Ascorbic Acid When Employed

Beyond the Range Of A Vitamin In Human Pathology

Frederick R. Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P.

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" How Much Is Too Much?

Dr. Cathcart believes the ideal intake for any individual is the

highest level they can tolerate without loose bowels. On the basis of his

experience with 11,000 patients over 14 years this bowel tolerance level

may be 10 to 15 grams in a healthy person, 30 to 60 grams in a person with

a cold, and over 199 grams per day in a person with a serious infectious

illness. During an infectious illness the best clinical results have been

achieved by maintaining high vitamin C levels in the blood through 3 or

more grams every four hours.

Fortunately, vitamin C is one of the least toxic substances known to man.

Four studies gave 10 grams of vitamin C to over 3000 patients without a

single reported incidence of toxicity. Other than the bowels there has not

been one single case of toxicity resulting from taking vitamin C

supplements, despite unfounded reports of potential risk for kidney stones,

raising blood uric acid levels, or 'rebound' scurvy. It is unlikely that

any vitamin has been tested to such an extent for toxicity and it is safe

to assume that supplemental levels of at least 10 grams a day, or up to

bowel tolerance, are completely safe. "

(again this may need to be sodium ascorbate form)

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html#HOLFORD

VITAMIN C:

HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

By Holford

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http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/hoffer.html

(links to some of the articles in the bibliography are there on the webpage)

© 1996

First published June 1996 in THE TOWNSEND LETTER FOR DOCTORS AND PATIENTS

Reprinted with permission by the Author and The Townsend Letter

The Vitamin Paradigm Wars

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http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm

July, 1949 SOUTHERN MEDICINE & SURGERY 209

The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C

Fred R. Klenner, M.D., Reidsville, North Carolina

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http://www.whale.to/p/vitc.html

VITAMIN C, the cheap anti-viral

" We found measles to be a medical curiosity, by 1950 we could kill the

measles virus in 24 hours. We also found we could dry up chicken pox in the

same time. " ---Dr Klennr, M.D.

Ascorbic acid was shown to inactivate (1936-7) the herpes virus by Holden

et al. The vaccinia virus by Kliger and Bernkopf. The Hoof and mouth virus

by Langenbusch and Enderling. Rabies virus by Amato

" Viral hepatitis of all types is one of the easiest diseases for ascorbic

acid to cure. " ---Dr Cathcart, M.D.

In a study of 108 open heart surgery patients (receiving under 1.5 gms

ascorbic acid/day), 11% developed hepatitis (alter et al, 1975). In

contrast in the Murata-Morishige study there were no cases of hepatitis

among 1100 patients receiving over 2 gms ascorbic acid.

" In 1949 Klenner described his successful treatment of polio…using ascorbic

acid. The main value of his work is in showing that any viral disease can

be successfully brought under control with ascorbic acid if the proper

large doses are used…..Millions have been spent in unsuccessful attempts to

find a nontoxic, effective virucide….while, harmless, inexpensive, and

non-toxic ascorbic acid has been within easy reach. " ---Dr. Irwin Stone

Klenner in 1948, and Dalton in 1962 reported their successful experiences

with virus pneumonia treated with ascorbic acid in 42 cases and 3 cases

respectively. Paez de la Torre in 1945 found good results in measles with

children. Klenner in 1949, successfully used ascorbic acid as a

prophylactic in a measles epidemic and gave a dramatic case history in his

1953 paper in the treatment of a 10 month old baby with measles. Zureich,

in 1950 treated 71 cases of chicken pox with ascorbic acid and Klenner in

1949 also mentions the good response with this disease.

Klenner also cites the dramatic results he obtained in virus encephalitis

and also in 33 cases of mumps and many cases of influenza. Vargas Magne in

1963 treated 130 cases of influenza for one to 3 days using up to 45 grams

of ascorbic acid. 114 recovered and 16 did not respond.

" Although we were able to cure many cases of polio with massive doses of

ascorbic acid, one single instance demonstrates the value of vitamin C. Two

brothers were sick with poliomyelitis. These two boys were given 10 and 12

grams of ascorbic acid, according to weight, intravenously with a 50 c.c.

syringe, every eight hours for 4 times and then every 12 hours for 4 times.

They also were given one gram every two hours by mouth around the clock.

They made complete recovery and both were athletic stars in high school and

college. A third child, a neighbour, under the care of another physician

received no ascorbic acid. This child also lived. The young lady is still

wearing braces. " ---Dr Klenner

Dr Cathcart http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/

Vit C Foundation http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

Klenner paper http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Null http://www.thehealingcenter.com/

Dr Pittman http://www.he.net/~center/

OrthoMed http://www.orthomed.org/

Ascorbate Web http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/

Linus ing site http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/

C for Yourself http://www.CforYourself.com/

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And from

" Don't use Calcium ascorbate - ever. There are very good reasons why,

not least of which is how it is metabolised in the body. Calcium

Ascorbate is a no no. I learned the hard way. Brief description.

In order to metabolise ascorbate, the Vitamin C needs a sodium ion.

It splits into two compounds, one of which is used, the other

excreted. The basic biochemical unit of the cell is the sodium ion.

If you use calcium ascorbate, the calcium sheers away, and sodium is

pulled from the nearest cell with it in it. Once the ascorbate is

split, the first thing it does is to chelate out the calcium, which

should not be there. Then what you have left, is what is available.

That is why you rarely get diarrhoea with calcium ascorbate. Because

you have to use far more of it to do what sodium ascorbate does. So

how did ester C become supposedly the best. I don't know. I know my

facts, because Archie Kalokerinos explained them to me, as have a

couple of biochemists. I needed to know, because when Archie sorted

out my arthritis after the rubella vaccine, he didn't put a label on

it. I didn't know what it was. So when I ran out, I went to the

health shop, and asked for " the best " . Within 9 months, I was in

deep trouble and rang Archie to ask if this stuff was supposed to

kill me (had a severe sodium deficiency, which was stuffing my immune

system even worse than normal!!!). He asked what was on the bottle,

and when I read out Calcium Ascorbate - well - I'm sure he would have

boxed my ears if he was in the same room. Just joking. He's very

calm and gentle, is Archie. Anyway, he explained that I would need

to salt everything in sight for a while, and never to do it again.

Hypercalcemia makes cancer cells grow like billie-oh... "

And from someone else - can't verify this, but sounds accurate

Divide the number of pounds by 2.2 to get the kilograms your child weights

and then multiply times 200 for minimum mg per day

40 pounds divided by 2.2 = about 18 kilograms X 200 mg per kg of body

weight = 3636 mg or 3.6 GM

OR X 375 mg (hi end) = 6818 mg or 6.8 gm

See below

>For dosage it all depends,but I saved this from another list member...

>(Give until they get the poopies and then cut back a little)

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>Sodium ascorbate powder for breastfed babies.

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>Dosage rate = between 200 - 375 mg per kg of body

>weight over waking hours, actual dose depends on

>individual.

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>So if your baby weighs 4 kilos, one gram vitamin C =

>1,000 mgs ( one-quarter of a level tsp) should be split

>into several doses, and given from morning to

>evening....

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>One good pinch equals 250 mgs, if you want to use the

>vague method.

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>Express some breastmilk, dissolve the vitamin C. Using

>a plastic dropper, drip it into the inside of her cheek

>until all in, or get it into her as she breastfeeds by

>inserting the dropper without breaking her " seal " - not

>so easy!!!

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>You should start to notice a significant difference

>within 24 hours.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheri!

I haven't ploughed through all of the links yet, so perhaps this

question is answered- but in case of breastfed babies- would you only

give them such doses when they are sick or every day? (the message

you sent says " you should notice a difference within 24 hrs " , so I

assume it is for sick babies)

also, somewhere else read about vitamin A being effective against

measels, pretty sure Cave mentions it in her book. any idea what form

that would be?

any other vitamin that a breastfed baby should be getting on a

regular basis? (vit D?)

[Guest guest]

At 09:22 PM 11/27/2004 -0000, you wrote:

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>I haven't ploughed through all of the links yet, so perhaps this

>question is answered- but in case of breastfed babies- would you only

>give them such doses when they are sick or every day? (the message

>you sent says " you should notice a difference within 24 hrs " , so I

>assume it is for sick babies)

I wouldn't use it with your baby until we are sure we have the colic under

control

Don't add anything new or take away anothing new until he is clearly better.

>also, somewhere else read about vitamin A being effective against

>measels, pretty sure Cave mentions it in her book. any idea what form

>that would be?

>any other vitamin that a breastfed baby should be getting on a

>regular basis? (vit D?)

You would only give Vitamin A extra, usually, if has the measles.

Your baby should need NO vitamins.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

If baby is *exclusively* breastfed, do not give anything other than

breastmilk. They do not need any other vitamin supplements, sick or

otherwise. Please don't succumb to this so-called evidence that breastfed

babies don't get enough vitamin D or any other vitamin. Nature doesn't get

it wrong.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" It is not unfair to conclude that medicine is the only branch of science

that has based its structure on opinions and suppositions rather than on

laws and principles. " - Vithoulkas, " The Science of Homoeopathy " .

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> I haven't ploughed through all of the links yet, so perhaps this

> question is answered- but in case of breastfed babies- would you only

> give them such doses when they are sick or every day? (the message

> you sent says " you should notice a difference within 24 hrs " , so I

> assume it is for sick babies)

> also, somewhere else read about vitamin A being effective against

> measels, pretty sure Cave mentions it in her book. any idea what form

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