Re: Made decision to vaccinate and now not sure...

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> I think you¹re very harsh on me. I just wanted to comment on a few things

> you said:

>

>> look at the symptoms of meningitis. then review the symptoms your son showed

>> after he was vaccinated against said disease. then come back and tell me the

>> symptoms were not the same.

>>

> Jay had a high temperature (40) and was vomiting. Both very common

> occurrences in babies. He was not sensitive to light and he didn¹t have a

> rash. He cut 2 teeth that weekend too ­ some people would put his symptoms

> down to that. The point I¹m trying to make, in all honesty, is that

> objectively his symptoms didn¹t match those of Men C; it could have been

> many things.

>

>> giving calpol or nurofen to suppress anything VIRAL

>> could have easily killed your child!

>>

> Is this really true? It¹s a very strong statement. I would dearly like to know

> more on this subject, if anyone can help.

>

>

>> INFORM yourself. and that does NOT equal 'allow yourself to be bullied by

>> medical professionals or media or friends or family'.

>>

> I don¹t want to be bullied by anti-vax people either. This is the toughest

> decision most people ever have to make. It¹s not easy. For most parents Men

> C is a very frightening disease. Your implication that I¹ve not researched

> enough is obviously very hurtful.

>

> I respect your decision not to vax very much, that¹s why I¹ve joined this

> group. I think deciding not to vax is definitely the harder route.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally, I'm definitely not , but know her well. I'm sure she

had no intention of coming across harsh or bullying! I sent you two

URL's to look into the Tylenol issue further. I have had a vaccine

reaction as well as my two sons. I'm kind of sick of personal

responses,(because on the internet they can be taken the wrong way)

so another member of this list and I put up a site, with factual

scientific info. I omitted a link in my prior response on the

Meningitis vaccine. Shortened the URL.

http://lin.kz/?k67va

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/

> > ,

> >

> > I think you¹re very harsh on me. I just wanted to comment on a

few things

> > you said:

> >

> >> look at the symptoms of meningitis. then review the symptoms

your son showed

> >> after he was vaccinated against said disease. then come back and

tell me the

> >> symptoms were not the same.

> >>

> > Jay had a high temperature (40) and was vomiting. Both very common

> > occurrences in babies. He was not sensitive to light and he

didn¹t have a

> > rash. He cut 2 teeth that weekend too ­ some people would put his

symptoms

> > down to that. The point I¹m trying to make, in all honesty, is

that

> > objectively his symptoms didn¹t match those of Men C; it could

have been

> > many things.

> >

> >> giving calpol or nurofen to suppress anything VIRAL

> >> could have easily killed your child!

> >>

> > Is this really true? It¹s a very strong statement. I would dearly

like to know

> > more on this subject, if anyone can help.

> >

> >

> >> INFORM yourself. and that does NOT equal 'allow yourself to be

bullied by

> >> medical professionals or media or friends or family'.

> >>

> > I don¹t want to be bullied by anti-vax people either. This is the

toughest

> > decision most people ever have to make. It¹s not easy. For most

parents Men

> > C is a very frightening disease. Your implication that I¹ve not

researched

> > enough is obviously very hurtful.

> >

> > I respect your decision not to vax very much, that¹s why I¹ve

joined this

> > group. I think deciding not to vax is definitely the harder

route.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sally,

If anyone is sounding harsh, it is probably because they have seen what vaccines

can do firsthand. They do pose risks and the risks are scarier than the

diseases they prevent. My son had his vaccines up until he was due for the MMR,

I decided to hold out because I met a mom who's son became autistic after having

it.

My son never should any signs of vaccine damage, until he was older. He never

had the typical fever or anything of that sort, yet our doctor feels that his

asthma, allergies, speech delays and fine motor skills impairment have resulted

from the vaccines.

I am sure that you will find that alot of us have a story like or worse. Those

of us who did allow our children to be vaccinated and have had something happen

to them are extremely angry that this happened. We have become passionate about

the subject and that may come across as being harsh.

Alot of the people in this group have probably been where you are today, and

don't want to see you or your child go through anything worse than what has

happened. Your child could already have permanent damage that you won't see for

awhile. The reaction he had is not the norm, the next reaction will more than

not, be worse and could cause even more damage.

Sara

Re: Made decision to vaccinate and now not sure...

> ,

>

> I think you¹re very harsh on me. I just wanted to comment on a few things

> you said:

>

>> look at the symptoms of meningitis. then review the symptoms your son

showed

>> after he was vaccinated against said disease. then come back and tell me

the

>> symptoms were not the same.

>>

> Jay had a high temperature (40) and was vomiting. Both very common

> occurrences in babies. He was not sensitive to light and he didn¹t have a

> rash. He cut 2 teeth that weekend too ­ some people would put his symptoms

> down to that. The point I¹m trying to make, in all honesty, is that

> objectively his symptoms didn¹t match those of Men C; it could have been

> many things.

>

>> giving calpol or nurofen to suppress anything VIRAL

>> could have easily killed your child!

>>

> Is this really true? It¹s a very strong statement. I would dearly like to

know

> more on this subject, if anyone can help.

>

>

>> INFORM yourself. and that does NOT equal 'allow yourself to be bullied by

>> medical professionals or media or friends or family'.

>>

> I don¹t want to be bullied by anti-vax people either. This is the toughest

> decision most people ever have to make. It¹s not easy. For most parents Men

> C is a very frightening disease. Your implication that I¹ve not researched

> enough is obviously very hurtful.

>

> I respect your decision not to vax very much, that¹s why I¹ve joined this

> group. I think deciding not to vax is definitely the harder route.

[Guest guest]

sally,

> I think you¹re very harsh on me.

it wasn't personal. sorry, but i'm not known for being

subtle, as i'm sure everyone here can tell you. :-)

what i saw in your original post was simply a mother

who, despite an extremely negative experience of what

a vaccine can do, still isn't sure about the issue.

and that is heart-breaking. i've seen too many vaccine

reactions and i know of too many babies who have died

because of vaccines. i also know too many parents who

are in jail, accused of killing their children when in

truth it was vaccines that killed them.

> objectively his symptoms didn¹t match those of Men

> C; it could have been many things.

okay, fair enough. but he was very ill after the

vaccine nevertheless. and yes, unfortunately it is

common nowadays that babies get high fevers and

scream, but WHY is it so common? could it be that it

happens a lot of times shortly after a vaccine was

given?

> Is this really true? It¹s a very strong statement.

> I would dearly like to know

> more on this subject, if anyone can help.

yes, it is true. i don't have the url ready because of

frequent computer crashes, but do a search on calpol

and hilary butler, you'll most likely find something

in the archives of this group. hilary wrote a

brilliant article on what calpol and the like can do.

> I don¹t want to be bullied by anti-vax people

> either.

of course you don't. and if i came across as a bully,

i didn't mean to. i'm still urging you to inform

yourself. read sheri's website, and also john's at

www.whale.to. and keep in mind that all of us who have

those websites informing about the dangers of

vaccination do so for the love of it. we spend a lot

of time informing people to become aware of those

dangers, without making a penny. UNLIKE those people

who get paid to tell everyone the lies about how

important vaccines are.

> This is the toughest

> decision most people ever have to make. It¹s not

> easy.

life isn't easy. but once you really inform yourself

about vaccination, you won't have trouble to make the

decision to stay away from them at all, honestly. just

look at the package inserts what vaccines are made of.

would you willingly inject a cocktail of formaldehyde,

aluminium, aborted fetal tissue, antibiotics, viruses,

bacteria, mercury etc into your precious baby?

> For most parents Men

> C is a very frightening disease.

yes, but wonder why. look at the statistics,

especially at those BEFORE the vax came out and you'll

see how rare this disease is, or rather was. since the

vaccine came out there probably have been more cases

of it considering that a side effect of the vaccine is

the disease itself.

> Your implication that I¹ve not researched

> enough is obviously very hurtful.

i'm sorry you feel this way and i sincerely hope

you'll research more, much more.

> I think deciding not to vax is definitely

> the harder route.

it doesn't have to be. this group is very supportive

to people who decide against vaccination and if you

have questions, someone here will be able to answer

them or point out the right direction to find the

answer.

claudia

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[Guest guest]

Good idea Heidi, I will look into that!

> > What an experience!! That would have scared me half to death!

> >

> > Most of the time I am totally confident about my decision to not

> > immunise but very occasionaly a little window of doubt opens up

> and

> > I madly contact all my non-immunising friends or start looking

for

> > information on the internet to reasure myself - it nearly always

> > works!

> >

> > However I do have a small concern that I am trying to keep in

> > persepective and that is when next year my 9 yr old daughter

goes

> to

> > live with her father in Indonesia for a year! Not only is she

not

> > immunised against all the childhood diseases but she won't be

> > immunised against cholera and typhoid etc, either. I have

> expressed

> > my concerns with her Dad (we are no longer together) and he is a

> > strong believer in not immunising too, however I have always

been

> > the one to look after their health (making sure they eat well,

> > maintaining a certain level of hygiene etc...). I'm worried

that

> he

> > won't be vigilant about the quality of water that she drinks and

> > that she will be exposed to these horrific diseases daily due to

> > poor levels of sanitation etc.. Anyway, he claims to not be

> worried

> > and said he would be more concerned about the mosquito born

> viruses

> > like malaria and dengue fever!! (I hadn't even thought about

> > those!!!)

> >

> > So for the moment I am trying to convince myself to have faith,

in

> > my daughter's ability to fight any infection, in my ex-husband

to

> be

> > vigilant regarding sanitation issues etc and our decision to not

> > walk the immunisation road, knowing that we are doing the right

> > thing!! Nobody said it would be easy!!

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >