Re: Unbelieveable

[Guest guest]

Holly, I already replied to your post, but I don't see it on the list yet. I

wanted to add this. What smart responses would they have to a congressman?

http://www.autismcanada.org/News/Weldon.pdf

Statement of Rep. Dave Weldon, M.D.

Member of Congress

Before the Institute of Medicine

February 9, 2004

MMR and Autism

With regard to MMR and Autism, I urge the Committee to build upon its 2001

conclusions and

recommendations. A strong signal from you could lessen the intimidation

obstructing this

research. You concluded that since the MMR was mandatory it was the

responsibility of the

government to ensure its safety, even if hypothesized adverse outcomes are

rare. I concur.

As with thimerosal, my concerns about MMR have not subsided:

• The NIH is presently funding an effort to duplicate Wakefield.

• Vaccine strain measles virus has been identified in the inflamed GI tract

of children with

regressive autism

• Measles virus antibodies have been found in the CSF of children with

regressive autism.

• Rechallenge cases of children with regressive autism have been observed and

documented.

• The medical community has largely accepted a new form of bowel disease in

children

with regressive Autism.

Federal research funding has not been directed to investigating many of your

MMR research

recommendations.

[Guest guest]

Holly, did you ever get a response back as to why she was posting your private

emails into the group?

-------Kimberley Medlin---------

VACCINES: Keeping our children from harm

.....or playing Russian Roulette?

http://www.vaccinationsandSIDS.com/

ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/

[Guest guest]

Nope. She never responded why she planned on doing it. I have yet to see it come

through the list. So maybe she decided to change her mind.

I stay on the list because it was the first list I got on. It is for my son's

birth month June96. I am the only anti-vaccine and anti-Ritalin person on the

list. I try to stay away from hot topics because people off the list assume I

don't know as much as they do.

~`~Holly~`~

iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

The truth is, if vaccinations work, then the vaccinated child has nothing to

fear from those not vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

Holly, first of all I would complain to the owner of the list. Second

of all, the Hep B vaccine is only for Hep B. Yes, there are other

forms of Hepatitis, but they are not in the Hep B vaccine. I have had

Hepatitis B, and it is very, very hard to contract.

Second, check out the links below. Lots on Autism and the second is

on MMR. The third is on Hep B. Finally the fourth is on the

connection of the measles virus in the CSF.

I have spent countless numbers of hours researching, and these people

are really ticking me off.

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/Autism.htm

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/VaccineInfo.htm#MMR

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/VaccineInfo.htm#HepB

http://www.aapsonline.org/iom/bradstreet-slides.pdf

> Specific people off the list I was telling you about are continuing

to e-mail about me not vaccinating my kids. I decided to e-mail each

person back offlist. Below is the e-mail I got back from one of those

people. BTW, she has decided to forward the private e-mail to the

list.

> > ME: Nate was fully vaccinated. Jenavieve has

> > not been. The last time I checked, my kids do not share needles,

have sex or be in a

> > situation where they might touch a body fluid. So they have no

need to get the hepatitis

> > shot.

>

> Her: Hepatitis is a standard childhood vaccination here. Don't

forget there's more than one form of Hep.

> not all of them are caught from needles, sex or via transmission of

bodily fluid. Though I wouldn't be

> prepared to bet that my kids *don't* come into contact with other

kids' bodily fluids. Kids are kids,

> they cut themselves, they sneeze on each other, sometimes they even

get sick and vomit and it's

> not exact;y unknown for a kid to have an " accident " and wet

themself. There's no guarantee that my

> kids won't be there " helping " and touching stuff that isn't

possibly what we might want them to touch.

>

> > ME: The only reason why the hepatitis shot is gave to kids is

because it is easier to get

> > small kids into the doctors office than it is it to get a teen

(who maybe having sex, using

> > drugs, ect). As you know, vaccines are either live or dead

virus's. Your body is suppose to

> > kill the virus and then you have an immunity to it. Yet in

England (I think), several Autistic

> > children have the MMR in their spinal fluid. Yet they say it

doesn't cause Autism.

>

> HER: I'd love to see your source for this statement. Which kids,

when, when were they tested, by whom,

> why etc etc. At the moment this seems to me to be mere conjecture

and rumour.

>

>

> > ME: The last time I checked, pregnant woman have their immunity

levels to Rubella checked.

> > The only time it is dangerous is while a woman is pregnant. So

unless a woman refuses the

> > immunity testing and doing the needed precautions, I don't see

how an unvaccinated child

> > can be of danger.

>

> HER: But we all know that not all pregnancies are planned and it's

a bit late to test immunity and too late

> to take action once the pregnancy is established. Anybody who

continues with a pregnancy

> whether planned or not can be assumed to want the baby so a child

with rubella will be a threat to

> that pregnancy if no maternal immunity exists.

>

> > ME: Plus as I pointed out, unless everyone around you has had

their

> > immunity levels checked, you have no idea if your child is

immune. They are not 100% and

> > can wear off.

>

> HER: Yes, I know that. But as *I* said before the risks associated

with vaccination are less than the risks

> associeted with the actual diseases. Nothing is perfect. Smoke

alarm batteries go flat. Have you

> checked that your neighbours batteries are OK or is there no danger

of a fire spreading from their

> house to yours - if they have a smoke alarm that is. The principle

is the same. Take precautions, do

> the best you can.

>

> > ME: There are outbreaks of measles and other diseases because

vaccines give

> > parents a false sense of security. Most people don't think to

have their immunity levels

> > checked. I just read an article about a fully vaccine child

having measles. The parents were

> > blown away.

>

> HER: There are outbreaks of measles and so on because people

haven't been immunised. There are

> fewer outbreaks of diseases because people *have* been immunised.

Fewer people die from

> diseases because they have been immunised.

>

> People who have been immunised, by and large, (and there are always

going to be a few for who it

> doesn't " take " ) don't get diseases. Or perhaps the fact that

poliomelytis as a disease is practically

> eradicated now has nothing to do with immunisation but the phases

of the moon? Or Smallpox? Or

> TB? If immunisation didn't work surely somebody would have noticed

it by now, they have been at it

> for a couple of hundred years. First recorded vaccination that I

know of was in 1774.

>

> OK for some people it doesn't work, but for the vast majority of

people it works and it works very well

> and minimal risk. That's why it is now news that a child gets sick

with measles or dies with measles -

> because it is so unusual. And again you have not given adequate

reference to the assertion that

> the child you mention has been vaccinated. Who said they had been

vaccinated, what evidence is

> there that they had been vaccinated? Of course the parents would be

blown away - any parent who

> has a child who dies will be blown away. We teach our kids how to

cross the road safely and we will

> be devastated if they get killed or injured while crossing the

road. It's about doing your best for your

> kids under the circumstances and with the available information.

Sometimes things go wrong. Cr*p

> happens. Doesn't mean we should stop trying.

>

> My reply back:

> I find it in horrible taste to send to the list what I sent you. I

am trying to be respectful and keep this off the list. Yet you go and

forward what I take OFF the list to the list. Why are you trying to

start a war? Do you want me off the list that bad that you would do

something like forward private e-mails to add fuel to a flame?

> ~`~Holly~`~

> iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

> The truth is, if vaccinations work, then the vaccinated child has

nothing to fear from those not vaccinated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holly and all:

This is a VERY good site to go check out information on the " history " of

vaccines and their role in the " eradication " of diseases. Here's the link:

http://www.healthsentinel.com/Vaccines/

I've copied and pasted below some of the excerpts.

Randi

---------------------------------------------

One of the chief concepts that vaccine proponents tell us, and that we

generally believe in modern society, is that the use of vaccines is

responsible for the virtual elimination of many childhood scourges that used

to ravage the world. We are told, and assume, that in the 1800s and early

in the 1900s many diseases killed a large number of people, and that

vaccines were invented and stopped these diseases from being a threat. But

is this in fact the case? An immunization booklet produced by the CDC

(Centers for Disease Control) states the following:

“Why are baby shots so important? These shots protect your baby from nine

diseases: measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), diphtheria, tetanus,

pertussis (whooping cough), polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib

disease), and hepatitis B. Are these diseases very serious? Today we might

not think of these diseases as being very serious because thanks to

vaccines, we don’t see them as often as we used to. … Measles used to kill

hundreds – sometimes thousands – of people a year. In the 1920s, over

10,000 people a year died from diphtheria.â€

“Years ago, diphtheria was a widespread and greatly feared disease. Through

the 1920s, it struck about 150,000 people a year and killed about 15,000 of

them. Since then these figures have dipped considerably, thanks to parents

who have gotten their children vaccinated against this terrible disease.

There were only 918 cases in 1960, 435 in 1970 and 128 in 1976. Today, only

a few cases occur each year.

“Before measles vaccine was available, nearly all children had measles by

the time they were 15 years old. An average of 530,000 cases a year were

reported in the United States during the 10 years before vaccine was

available. And during each of these years, over 450 people died because of

measles. Now, thanks to the measles vaccine, the number of measles each

year is a fraction of what it was then.â€[1]

These statements are certainly compelling. On the face of it, we cannot

help but assume that vaccines have played a key role in improving all of our

lives. But looking carefully at the evidence over a longer period of time

reveals a different picture of disease evolution and the role vaccines have

played. One Swiss scientist that analyzed data over a longer period of time

came to a different conclusion of what occurred in Switzerland:

“An analysis has been made of the evolution in Switzerland of mortality due

to the main infectious diseases ever since the causes of death began to be

registered. Mortality due to tuberculosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever,

whooping cough, measles, typhoid, puerperal fever and infant

gastro-enteritis started to fall long before the introduction of

immunization and/or antibiotics. The decline was probably due to a great

extent to various factors linked to the steady rise in the standard of

living: qualitative and quantitative improvements in nutrition; better

public and personal hygiene; better housing and working conditions and

improvements in education.â€[2]

In that research paper, several graphs of death rates in Switzerland show

massive drops in deaths from disease long before vaccinations are

introduced. One graph shows diphtheria death rates for children from 0 to

14 years of age peaking at over 200 deaths per 100,000 in the late 1800s.

This is followed by death rates decreasing to less than 10 deaths per

100,000 near the time of the introduction of the vaccine in the mid 1930s.

There was an apparent 95 percent decrease in diphtheria death rates before

introduction of the vaccine. Another graph within the same study shows

scarlet fever decreasing from 200 deaths per 100,000 in the late 1800s to

virtually zero by the 1930s before drug treatments were introduced. Yet

another graph in the study shows typhoid also decreasing from 50 deaths per

100,000 in 1876 to virtually zero by the 1940s when drug treatments were

introduced.

A review of “Childhood’s Deadly Scourge†states: