Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Posted May 19, 2006 For 60 tablets it is $2,160.00!!!!! Janet, Roche has a patient assistance program for many of their drugs. I checked and Valcyte is there: http://www.rocheusa.com/products/index.html Of course your doc would have to Rx it for you and their criteria is based on household income or used to be anyway. If you qualify they will send it to your doctor's office. Your doc's office would have to call them and request the form. I received Klonopin from them before I was married and now I'm under my husband's medical plan. Good luck, Terry Quote
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Posted May 19, 2006 HI Terry, Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am ready to go. Janet in San Diego terryrama <terryrama@...> wrote: For 60 tablets it is $2,160.00!!!!! Janet, Roche has a patient assistance program for many of their drugs. I checked and Valcyte is there: http://www.rocheusa.com/products/index.html Of course your doc would have to Rx it for you and their criteria is based on household income or used to be anyway. If you qualify they will send it to your doctor's office. Your doc's office would have to call them and request the form. I received Klonopin from them before I was married and now I'm under my husband's medical plan. Good luck, Terry This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Posted May 19, 2006 Ganciclovir is one of the drugs mentioned for use in Lerner's patent. Have you met the criteria for low cardiac output that he says is necessary to determine before using antivirals? I am very interested because I think this could be the answer for a lot of us. Also, I thought ganciclovir was IV only. And the cost for the IV administration would make the cost even more onerous, so I am glad to see you can get it in tablet form. Mike C. > > HI Terry, > > Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am ready to go. > > Janet > in San Diego Quote
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Posted May 19, 2006 HI Mike, I am new to all this, so please bear with me. Can you tell me who Lerner is and why he feels a criteria for low cardiac output is necessary to determine before using antivirals??? And yes, you can get it in tablet form. But there are some very serious side effects, that make me pretty nervous! Janet in San Diego yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote: Ganciclovir is one of the drugs mentioned for use in Lerner's patent. Have you met the criteria for low cardiac output that he says is necessary to determine before using antivirals? I am very interested because I think this could be the answer for a lot of us. Also, I thought ganciclovir was IV only. And the cost for the IV administration would make the cost even more onerous, so I am glad to see you can get it in tablet form. Mike C. > > HI Terry, > > Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am ready to go. > > Janet > in San Diego This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Hi. In short, Lerner has a patent for treating CFS and ganciclovir is one of the treatments. He is an MD, and I think he *had* CFS and got rid of it w/ antivirals. YOu don't take the antivirals for ever, either. So even if you take valganciclovir for four months at a cost of $1,200 a month or so, and you are cured, I think there would be a lot of us that would jump on that chance, me included. Let me see if I can get the link to his patent, it is 5 million something or other. Here is the link, sroll down below the advertising. You can probably Google up 'freepatent' and search for Lerner. Some other member may be able to give you a better link because I just reconfigured my computer to give me administrator priveleges. Oh, forget about that, if this doesn't work I will send another email from my other user acct. shortly. OK, i am an idiot an will send another message shortly. Mike C > > > > HI Terry, > > > > Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am ready > to go. > > > > Janet > > in San Diego Quote
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Here is the link. Don't worry about the junk at the top. Scroll down to patent 5 million and something w/ Lerner's name beside it. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6894056.html?highlight=5213106 > > > > > > HI Terry, > > > > > > Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am > ready > > to go. > > > > > > Janet > > > in San Diego > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 If this is referring to that recent writeup about CFS and antivirals, working in 9 of 12 patients, I think there is an oral drug that metabolizes INTO gancyclovir in the body. It has a slightly longer name but basically, it allows you to get oral treatment. I wonder if you would need to be tested first for elevated HHV titers etc. It certainly could be involved in cases where people take antibiotics and don't get better. And/or who knows if it even works in some way to boost immunity or to target microbes, who really knows. > > > > > > HI Terry, > > > > > > Thank you for the help. Now if I can convince my doc, I am > ready > > to go. > > > > > > Janet > > > in San Diego > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 ---At www.icanrx.com a canadian pharmacy that i use i priced Valcyte for u at $1,511.11 for 60 tabs. still very expensive. zuzu In , " terryrama " <terryrama@...> wrote: > > > > For 60 tablets it is $2,160.00!!!!! > > Janet, > > Roche has a patient assistance program for many of their drugs. I > checked and Valcyte is there: > http://www.rocheusa.com/products/index.html > > Of course your doc would have to Rx it for you and their criteria is > based on household income or used to be anyway. If you qualify they > will send it to your doctor's office. Your doc's office would have to > call them and request the form. I received Klonopin from them before > I was married and now I'm under my husband's medical plan. Good luck, > > Terry > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 Does anyone know how often it should be taken? Once a day, three times? Mike C > > ---At www.icanrx.com a canadian pharmacy that i use i priced Valcyte > for u at $1,511.11 for 60 tabs. still very expensive. > zuzu > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 My message below was in referrence to a message about Lerner's patent that was posted on this list. You make a good point in one of your other messages that even tho Gancyclovir is harsh or maybe dangerous, remember, we have had two list members die this year- that we know of. So maybe, maybe G is worth the risk assuming you meet the prescribing criteria set forth in Lerner's patent. We are going to recover if we wait for the CDC to help. Mike C > > > > Hi. In short, Lerner has a patent for treating CFS and > > ganciclovir is one of the treatments. He is an MD, and I think > > he *had* CFS and got rid of it w/ antivirals. YOu don't take the > > antivirals for ever, either. So even if you take valganciclovir > > for four months at a cost of $1,200 a month or so, and you are > > cured, I think there would be a lot of us that would jump on that > > chance, me included. Let me see if I can get the link to his > > patent, it is 5 million something or other. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 I don't see why we have to limit ourselves to Gancyclovir, or any dangerous antiviral when there are so many far safer natural products to try, and many that help people quite a lot. PWC usually have unbalanced livers, why should we use treatments that are health trade-offs? We need all the health we can keep. Here is another natural antiviral I have tried that does seem to help - combine Lysine (amino acid) with Vitamin C. Supposedly this is a Herpes class viral blocker. I have also taken a Proline/Lysine combination with high-dose Vitamin C. The effect of 'feeling better' seems to last for a few hours. Certainly there must be many other natural antivirals to explore. What I believe Lerner revealed was that a strong and properly targeted antiviral can help a large subset of PWC. That is the main point for me, not the use of the specific antiviral he experimented with. --Kurt Re: Valganciclovir (This will blow your socks off!) My message below was in referrence to a message about Lerner's patent that was posted on this list. You make a good point in one of your other messages that even tho Gancyclovir is harsh or maybe dangerous, remember, we have had two list members die this year- that we know of. So maybe, maybe G is worth the risk assuming you meet the prescribing criteria set forth in Lerner's patent. We are going to recover if we wait for the CDC to help. Mike C > > > > Hi. In short, Lerner has a patent for treating CFS and > > ganciclovir is one of the treatments. He is an MD, and I think > > he *had* CFS and got rid of it w/ antivirals. YOu don't take the > > antivirals for ever, either. So even if you take valganciclovir > > for four months at a cost of $1,200 a month or so, and you are > > cured, I think there would be a lot of us that would jump on that > > chance, me included. Let me see if I can get the link to his > > patent, it is 5 million something or other. This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 Kurt-you make a great point. I even thought about asking the list re natural antivirals. However, I believe that *if* we are talking about a virus that attacks the heart, vit C, salt, Lysine, etc. isn't going to do the job. On a personal note, I am undergoing extreme post exertional fatigue after over-activity yesterday. My resting heart rate is very high right now, and this happens every time I over exert myself. I have probably spent $10,000 on magnesium, coconut oil, lysine, rhodiola rosea-the list goes on and on. Some were real expensive like CoQ10. When you think about some PWCs and all of the money that they spend on *special* supplements as well as traveling (and even moving in some cases to be closer to their CFS doc guru), the money isn't an issue even tho you don't bring that up. The prescription antivirals are surely for a subset of PWCs, and especially for those who have tried all of the natural antivirals without success. It is a matter of being desperate and not wanting to live the rest of one's life without getting better. It is not for everyone, but I think it is worth discussing. Mike C (sorry this was so long, but for those of us who thing their 'CFS' is heart related, it is important) > > I don't see why we have to limit ourselves to Gancyclovir, or any > dangerous antiviral when there are so many far safer natural products to > try, and many that help people quite a lot. PWC usually have unbalanced > livers, why should we use treatments that are health trade-offs? We > need all the health we can keep. > > Here is another natural antiviral I have tried that does seem to help - > combine Lysine (amino acid) with Vitamin C. Supposedly this is a Herpes > class viral blocker. I have also taken a Proline/Lysine combination > with high-dose Vitamin C. The effect of 'feeling better' seems to last > for a few hours. > > Certainly there must be many other natural antivirals to explore. > > What I believe Lerner revealed was that a strong and properly targeted > antiviral can help a large subset of PWC. That is the main point for > me, not the use of the specific antiviral he experimented with. > > --Kurt Quote
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Posted May 22, 2006 I'm not so sure I agree--if he is not exaggerating those were pretty remarkable results, and many on here take natural antivirals. Except perhaps the high dose of melissa officinalis that foxhillers took, sometimes high dose herbs can be very effective. But it may be that this drug is not only targeting HHV< but for all we know, it may target other microbes. Borrelia is a weird beast with fungal antigens and perhaps viral antigens. Mycoplasma in turn was for years considered half virus half microbe. We don't really know for sure what this specific drug did. I hope he follows up with further studies. It would be nice also if a local doctor tried it on some patients, perhaps someone like Dr. Enlander. > > > > > > Hi. In short, Lerner has a patent for treating CFS and > > > ganciclovir is one of the treatments. He is an MD, and I think > > > he *had* CFS and got rid of it w/ antivirals. YOu don't take the > > > antivirals for ever, either. So even if you take valganciclovir > > > for four months at a cost of $1,200 a month or so, and you are > > > cured, I think there would be a lot of us that would jump on that > > > chance, me included. Let me see if I can get the link to his > > > patent, it is 5 million something or other. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Posted May 22, 2006 Hi Mike, I agree in principle with this, but want to point out that after all those supplements, all though you are not well, you are still here. What if, instead, you had used harsh drugs and damaged your liver seriously? With what we know about the role of neurotoxins in our illness and the importance of even a partly functional liver for their detox, I think that the long-term safety of even an effective treatment is also a point worth serious consideration. Particularly for us, as people with compromised metabolism seem to get the side-effects worse than the average person. If you have a healthy liver, then maybe you are in the lucky subset that can benefit from strong antivirals. But I think many of us need to try harder to find good natural therapies. For example, I know a PWC who recovered using essential oils and undenatured whey protein. So maybe there are essential oils with strong antiviral effects. --Kurt Re: Valganciclovir (This will blow your socks off!) Kurt-you make a great point. I even thought about asking the list re natural antivirals. However, I believe that *if* we are talking about a virus that attacks the heart, vit C, salt, Lysine, etc. isn't going to do the job. On a personal note, I am undergoing extreme post exertional fatigue after over-activity yesterday. My resting heart rate is very high right now, and this happens every time I over exert myself. I have probably spent $10,000 on magnesium, coconut oil, lysine, rhodiola rosea-the list goes on and on. Some were real expensive like CoQ10. When you think about some PWCs and all of the money that they spend on *special* supplements as well as traveling (and even moving in some cases to be closer to their CFS doc guru), the money isn't an issue even tho you don't bring that up. The prescription antivirals are surely for a subset of PWCs, and especially for those who have tried all of the natural antivirals without success. It is a matter of being desperate and not wanting to live the rest of one's life without getting better. It is not for everyone, but I think it is worth discussing. Mike C (sorry this was so long, but for those of us who thing their 'CFS' is heart related, it is important) > > I don't see why we have to limit ourselves to Gancyclovir, or any > dangerous antiviral when there are so many far safer natural products to > try, and many that help people quite a lot. PWC usually have unbalanced > livers, why should we use treatments that are health trade-offs? We > need all the health we can keep. > > Here is another natural antiviral I have tried that does seem to help - > combine Lysine (amino acid) with Vitamin C. Supposedly this is a Herpes > class viral blocker. I have also taken a Proline/Lysine combination > with high-dose Vitamin C. The effect of 'feeling better' seems to last > for a few hours. > > Certainly there must be many other natural antivirals to explore. > > What I believe Lerner revealed was that a strong and properly targeted > antiviral can help a large subset of PWC. That is the main point for > me, not the use of the specific antiviral he experimented with. > > --Kurt This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Posted May 23, 2006 > > Kurt-you make a great point. I even thought about asking the list > re natural antivirals. However, I believe that *if* we are talking > about a virus that attacks the heart, vit C, salt, Lysine, etc. isn't > going to do the job. > > On a personal note, I am undergoing extreme post exertional fatigue > after over-activity yesterday. My resting heart rate is very high > right now, and this happens every time I over exert myself. I have > probably spent $10,000 on magnesium, coconut oil, lysine, rhodiola > rosea-the list goes on and on. Some were real expensive like > CoQ10. > > When you think about some PWCs and all of the money that they spend > on *special* supplements as well as traveling (and even moving in > some cases to be closer to their CFS doc guru), the money isn't an > issue even tho you don't bring that up. The prescription antivirals > are surely for a subset of PWCs, and especially for those who have > tried all of the natural antivirals without success. It is a matter > of being desperate and not wanting to live the rest of one's life > without getting better. It is not for everyone, but I think it is > worth discussing. > > Mike C (sorry this was so long, but for those of us who thing > their 'CFS' is heart related, it is important) > > > Hi Mike I take your point and feel like you. After 6 years of the full blown illness I have tried so many alternatives, herbs, supplements etc. Some have definitely helped but nothing has been able to alter the main cause of my illness, ie high DNA/RNA of viral origin. Its a little like the yeast issue. Some can control it with natural stuff others like myself needed long courses of the drugs to deal with the problem cos the natural stuff just didn't work. My final fling at trying to deal with this stuff is lipoceutical glutathione or nebulising it, plus Transfer Factor Plus. I wil give these about 3 months to see if they make a difference and if not then I think I will have to go down the drug route of anti-virals somehow. BW Pam Quote
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