Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 Also, could have been. Epsom salts, B12 or low dose naltrexone, amongst other things. mjh Quote
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 Hi, mjh. foxhillers@... wrote: > > Also, could have been. Epsom salts, B12 or low dose naltrexone, amongst other > things. > > mjh ***Nope. Absolutely not. Those treatments would have little impact on Autism and more importantly aren't remotely related to the content in news report I posted to start this thread. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 In a message dated 3/3/06 10:01:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidhall@... writes: Nope. Absolutely not. Those treatments would have little impact on Autism , but thy are. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 I have not seen this show. Just out of curiosity, was there any mention of which chelator(s) was/were used with Josh Shoemaker? It is interesting to note that the FDA/CDC were issuing their warning about the use of Endrate as a chelator for lead poisoning and/or autism right around this same time, when Endrate is NOT EVEN a chelator that is used in treating lead poisoning....more about that later. Aasa <redhead60707@...> wrote: http://www.nbc11.com/news/7660909/detail.html Parents Credit Chelation With Autism Cure POSTED: 3:30 pm PST March 3, 2006 UPDATED: 3:54 pm PST March 3, 2006 Email This Story | Print This Story A treatment for lead poisoning that's been around for decades is now being used to treat autistic children. Some parents say chelation is bringing about dramatic change, but it is also bringing about controversy. Josh Shoemaker, almost 4, is not his old self, his parents are happy to say. Angie Shoemaker, Josh's mom, says, "It's just not even comparable. He's just not the same child." Josh was diagnosed with autism a year ago. His parents say Josh barely spoke, rarely responded and had slid into his own world as was captured in home video from June. His father, , said, "He used to spin himself in circles constantly, we were losing him daily." But within five months, Josh was talking and responsive. The Shoemakers credit a treatment called chelation, outlined in a recent edition of Mothering Magazine. Josh's parents spread a sulfur-based cream on his skin, a compound that they and doctors who prescribe it say roots out toxins like mercury from the body, which they blame for Josh's autism. Dr. Phil De Meio believes in chelation therapy for autism. "The sulfur grabs onto the mercury like a magnet, so our body can exrete it where it would never have the ability to do that on its own without something like this," De Meio said. There is far from consensus about what causes autism, NBC11's Hart reported. Most doctors see no place for chelation and dealing with it. Two years ago, the Centers for Disease Control commissioned a report that found no evidence of a mercury-autism link. Mercury's other effects on children are a concern, however. The Food and Drug Administration warns pregnant women to avoid certain fish and has had a mercury ingredient removed from most vaccines. But can chelation, a treatment big insurers cover for mercury poisoning, help against autism? One pediatrician cautioned that Josh's progress, though dramatic, is not proof. "Why is he improved? I don't know. Would he (have) improved on his own? I don't know. But as of now, mercury is not a cause of autism based on the studies we know now the chelation is now an acceptable form of treatment for autism." Josh's parents and speech therapist say it is proof to them that it works. "Josh is the only child I've ever worked with that I can say he's going to go to kindergarten being a perfectly normal kindergartner, and he was not a perfectly normal 2-year-old and it's chelation that did it," McCloskey said. His mother, Angie, agrees. "It is like he went from his world into ours." His parents are convinced that they found the solution for him. Chelation is FDA approved only to treat lead poisoning. Federal researchers are looking into whether it can help heart patients by draining calcium from clogged arteries. Previous Stories: August 3, 2005: Researchers Find Genetic Link To Autism February 24, 2005: Autism: The Hidden Epidemic? __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Jill That's McCandless, MD, author of Starving Brains. Autism_LDN is the group. By the way, on sulfurstories, Epsom Salt (Mg SO4) has been used successfully transdermally/topically also. It was very helpful for decades for my late son. mjh In a message dated 3/4/06 9:48:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jenbooks13@... writes: Low dose naltrexone is being used by Dr. Candelas (sp? I can't remember for sure) whose grand daughter has ASD (autism spectrum disorder), she has a trial going on now and some parents are seeing remarkable results. She has a group I lurk on, has written books, and presented at DAN! conferences. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Jill I also lurk on low dose naltrexone most of the posters have striking results in dealing with MS and some ALS. Also see _www.low dose naltrexone.com_ (http://www.low dose naltrexone.com) _http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=forum & action=display & thread=1089758 571_ (http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=forum & action=display & thread=108975857\ 1) mjh In a message dated 3/4/06 9:56:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jenbooks13@... writes: Oh yes, thanx for the correct name . I haven't looked at the list for a while...hey Rich are you out there? You might want to lurk on that list. It *should* fascinate you. By taking very low dose naltrexone before bedtime you briefly deprive the body of opiates (blocking them) and the body creates a compensatory spike. This has shifted all kinds of inflammatory states/diseases, from cancer to r.a., and now she is applying it to autism. Some parents are seeing remarkable results. I thought maybe this should be added into the CFS model, except I hear lymies do badly with it--which makes sense. It could actually be a herx they're having! But then I read it suppresses appetite, and I'm already slender, so I don't want to eat less. So I kind of abandoned the idea for myself. HOWEVER, I think she is on to something interesting for the autistic kids, and therefore probably for lymies and CFS'ers Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Ellen I think that LDN was high on 's list of things to talk to Dr. Enlander about, too. I do not recall that had actually started on LDN. Dr Enlander and his nurse, Joy, post here from time to time. mjh In a message dated 3/4/06 11:12:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ellenelle@... writes: B. had used LDN, and wrote about it quite a bit. He said it helped with the FM pain, but not with fatigue if I remember correctly. Ellen Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Low dose naltrexone is being used by Dr. Candelas (sp? I can't remember for sure) whose grand daughter has ASD (autism spectrum disorder), she has a trial going on now and some parents are seeing remarkable results. She has a group I lurk on, has written books, and presented at DAN! conferences. But LDN is not sulfur based. > > > > Also, could have been. Epsom salts, B12 or low dose naltrexone, amongst other > > things. > > > > mjh > > > ***Nope. Absolutely not. Those treatments would have little impact on Autism and more importantly aren't remotely related to the content in news report I posted to start this thread. > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Oh yes, thanx for the correct name . I haven't looked at the list for a while...hey Rich are you out there? You might want to lurk on that list. It *should* fascinate you. By taking very low dose naltrexone before bedtime you briefly deprive the body of opiates (blocking them) and the body creates a compensatory spike. This has shifted all kinds of inflammatory states/diseases, from cancer to r.a., and now she is applying it to autism. Some parents are seeing remarkable results. I thought maybe this should be added into the CFS model, except I hear lymies do badly with it--which makes sense. It could actually be a herx they're having! But then I read it suppresses appetite, and I'm already slender, so I don't want to eat less. So I kind of abandoned the idea for myself. HOWEVER, I think she is on to something interesting for the autistic kids, and therefore probably for lymies and CFS'ers > > > Jill > > That's McCandless, MD, author of Starving Brains. > > Autism_LDN is the group. > > By the way, on sulfurstories, Epsom Salt (Mg SO4) has been used successfully > transdermally/topically also. It was very helpful for decades for my late > son. > > mjh > > > In a message dated 3/4/06 9:48:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jenbooks13@... writes: > > Low dose naltrexone is being used by Dr. Candelas (sp? I can't > remember for sure) whose grand daughter has ASD (autism spectrum > disorder), she has a trial going on now and some parents are seeing > remarkable results. She has a group I lurk on, has written > books, and presented at DAN! conferences. > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Hi, Jill. Yes, I do lurk on that list. It's very interesting. I heard Dr. McCandliss speak at the DAN! conference. My plate is rather full right now trying to sort out the methylation-related stuff, but some day I hope to study that some, too. Rich > > > > > > Jill > > > > That's McCandless, MD, author of Starving Brains. > > > > Autism_LDN is the group. > > > > By the way, on sulfurstories, Epsom Salt (Mg SO4) has been used > successfully > > transdermally/topically also. It was very helpful for decades for > my late > > son. > > > > mjh > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/06 9:48:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jenbooks13@ writes: > > > > Low dose naltrexone is being used by Dr. Candelas (sp? I can't > > remember for sure) whose grand daughter has ASD (autism spectrum > > disorder), she has a trial going on now and some parents are seeing > > remarkable results. She has a group I lurk on, has written > > books, and presented at DAN! conferences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 B. had used LDN, and wrote about it quite a bit. He said it helped with the FM pain, but not with fatigue if I remember correctly. Ellen ..> By > taking very low dose naltrexone before bedtime you briefly deprive the > body of opiates (blocking them) and the body creates a compensatory > spike. This has shifted all kinds of inflammatory states/diseases, > from cancer to r.a., and now she is applying it to autism. Some > parents are seeing remarkable results. > > I thought maybe this should be added into the CFS model, except I hear > lymies do badly with it--which makes sense. It could actually be a > herx they're having! But then I read it suppresses appetite, and I'm > already slender, so I don't want to eat less. So I kind of abandoned > the idea for myself. HOWEVER, I think she is on to something > interesting for the autistic kids, and therefore probably for lymies > and CFS'ers > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Posted March 5, 2006 Chelation cures many autistic children. There are innumerable reports of progress to be found on the autism treatment list on ! I've seen the cured kids, too, and the autism research institute sells a DVD of some of them. Andy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Posted March 5, 2006 > Why do you say it was glutathione ? It could have been transdermal > DMSA/ Actually the vast majority of children who get well take DMSA, DMPS or ALA by mouth and are using formulations that do not contain any glutathone. The faddish transdermal stuff sometimes does but that is as a stabilizer for the DMPS or DMSA since they are not otherwise stable against air oxidation. The amount of glutathione that gets absorbed is not significant. Andy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Posted March 5, 2006 mjh and all, Yes, he had been using it, and stopped mid-October, thinking he wanted to see how he did on recup alone. He said it had helped him in various ways. It was that stopping that caused the effects that he had in the middle of the night since it is usually taken at bedtime. He also did say he discussed it with Dr. Enlander. Ellen > > I think that LDN was high on 's list of things to talk to Dr. > Enlander > about, too. I do not recall that had actually started on LDN. > > Dr Enlander and his nurse, Joy, post here from time to time. > > mjh > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Posted March 5, 2006 Cool. It's the shift of Th2 and Th1, mediated by endogenous opiates, its kind of interesting. But I'm leery of it for myself. > > > > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > That's McCandless, MD, author of Starving Brains. > > > > > > Autism_LDN is the group. > > > > > > By the way, on sulfurstories, Epsom Salt (Mg SO4) has been used > > successfully > > > transdermally/topically also. It was very helpful for decades > for > > my late > > > son. > > > > > > mjh > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/06 9:48:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > jenbooks13@ writes: > > > > > > Low dose naltrexone is being used by Dr. Candelas (sp? I can't > > > remember for sure) whose grand daughter has ASD (autism spectrum > > > disorder), she has a trial going on now and some parents are > seeing > > > remarkable results. She has a group I lurk on, has written > > > books, and presented at DAN! conferences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
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