Re: Rich / anyone : Colonic, bowel movements, foot spas

[Guest guest]

Hi all

Alot of CFS sufferers tend to have dysbosis.

1) What do you think is the best way to reverese this situation?

2) Has anyone had success with colonic therapy - what are you thoights?

3)Im intrigued by the use of Epsom salt therapy and I am thinking of buying

a foot spa

and adding the salts so that my body can absorb sulphates via the feet -

what do you think ?

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Cs

Just get a dishpan big enough for your feet, no need to get really fancy

here.

I just put three cups of Epsom salts in the bathtub and lounge a while.

Hope this helps

mjh

In a message dated 12/31/2005 4:24:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bhammanuk@... writes:

3)Im intrigued by the use of Epsom salt therapy and I am thinking of buying

a foot spa

and adding the salts so that my body can absorb sulphates via the feet -

what do you think ?

Regards

CS

mjh

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[Guest guest]

Check out the Keep Hope Alive website -- some of the information is a few years

old, but

they have a search function on the site (www.keephopealive.org), and you'll find

several

remedies that I've found are beneficial.

Also -- here's a study which details some of the imbalances...

http://www.ahmf.org/01butt.html

'Bacterial Colonosis' in Patients with Persistent Fatigue

Butt HL, RH, McGregor NR, TK

Collaborative Pain Research Unit (CPRU),

Department of Biological and Chemical Sciences,

University of Newcastle,

Newcastle,

Australia.

'Bacterial Colonosis' (BC) in patients with persistent fatigue is a disease

entity that has not

been described in medical literature. Patients with this condition usually

present with

multiple disorders including gastrointestinal symptoms, characterized by an

absence of

gastrointestinal inflammation and a marked alteration of intestinal microbial

flora. This

condition of unknown aetiology is manifested in patients with Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome

(CFS), Fibromyalgia, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and Autism. In a study of 1390

fatigued

patients, fatigue presentation in patients with BC was more severe than patients

without

BC (p<0.015). Similarly muscular pain (face, neck, shoulder and lower back) in

fatigued

patients with BC was significantly more severe (p<0.01) than patients with

minimal or no

BC. The distribution of faecal intestinal microbial flora in this study

population was

markedly altered. The mean % distribution for the organism Escherichia coli was

36.6% of

the total aerobic flora, a count significantly lower (p<0.001) than those found

in healthy

subjects (70-95%). By contrast the lactic acid bacteria Enterococcus spp was

significantly

higher (p<0.001, 28.7% of the total aerobic flora in fatigued patients ) than

with the

healthy subjects (3-5%). Patients with chronic fatigue also had marked decrease

in

Bifidobacterium spp. count (<0.35% of the total anaerobic flora). Changes in the

gastrointestinal microbial ecology are significantly associated with fatigue

symptoms. A

high faecal enterococcal count significantly and positively correlates with

neurological and

cognitive functions (nervousness (p<0.05), memory loss (p<0.01), forgetfulness

(p<0.01),

confusion (p<0.05), mind going blank (p<0.01)). Similarly a high aerobe/anaerobe

ratio

significantly and positively correlates with poor colonic functions, poor

digestion, and

malabsorption of the gastrointestinal tract.

>

> Hi all

>

> Alot of CFS sufferers tend to have dysbosis.

>

> 1) What do you think is the best way to reverese this situation?

>

> 2) Has anyone had success with colonic therapy - what are you thoights?

>

> 3)Im intrigued by the use of Epsom salt therapy and I am thinking of buying

> a foot spa

> and adding the salts so that my body can absorb sulphates via the feet -

> what do you think ?

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, CS.

>

> Hi all

>

> A lot of CFS sufferers tend to have dysbosis.

>

> 1) What do you think is the best way to reverse this situation?

***I favor starting out by getting a comprehensive diagnostic stool

analysis and a stool parasitology analysis run to try to understand

what bacteria, yeasts and parasites might be present. I realize

that parasitology tests have a lot of uncertainty, and it is

important to get them done by a competent lab. In the U.S., I think

Dr. Amin's lab in Arizona is a good one. I don't know the

situation in the U.K.

***I think these tests can give an indication of what specifically

needs to be done. There are some pathogens that need to be dealt

with specifically. For parasites, I favor the nonpharmaceutical

approach, using something like Vitaklenz.

***In the past I have advocated the approach described by Dr.

Serafina Corsello in her book " The Ageless Woman "

(http://www.corsello.com). This involves a three-phase bowel

treatment approach: bowel scrubbing, bowel soothing, and bowel

repopulating. One person has told me that this approach did not

help her, and she is now trying specific treatment for giardia.

That's why I have added the tests mentioned above. Dr. Corsello's

protocol is nonpharmaceutical, using things like fiber, vitamin C,

minerals and oils. If you don't want to get the book, the protocol

can be found in the archives of this list. I think Peggy posted it

most recently.

***For bowel repopulating, I think that Primal Defense is a good

thing to try. It is a fermented soil-based organism product. I

tried it on three members of my family who had gut problems, and it

ended up helping two of them. I've also taken it myself, and have

experienced improvement in bowel function.

***In your case, it doesn't seem from what you have reported that

you have a methylation cycle block, but for those who do, I think

it's very important to correct that, because methylation capacity is

important for making serotonin. Most of the serotonin in the body

is in the gut, and it is involved with controlling peristalsis. So

I think that the methylation cycle block may be the thing that

starts the gut problems in many PWCs, and then other problems pile

on to that. So I think that particularly PWCs who have

constipation, but perhaps also those on the diarrhea end of the

spectrum, should consider treating for methylation cycle blockage.

>

> 2) Has anyone had success with colonic therapy - what are youe

thoughts?

***I have read reports from some PWCs that colonic therapy has

helped them, but I don't view it as a permanent solution to gut

problems. I think it is necessary to get the peristalsis operating,

so that the gut can carry on its business normally. I'm hopeful

that the methylation cycle blockage correction will do this for many

PWCs.

>

> 3)Im intrigued by the use of Epsom salt therapy and I am thinking

of buying

> a foot spa

> and adding the salts so that my body can absorb sulphates via the

feet -

> what do you think ?

***I agree with mjh on this. Epsom salts are a good thing to try,

but a pan for the feet or a bathtub for the whole body are just

fine. Many PWCs need both magnesium and sulfate, so this is a good

combination. If you do it in the evening, it might also help with

sleep. wrote that Malcolm Hooper has cautioned against

overdoing this. That's the first time I've heard about that, but I

think it's a good policy in CFS (ME) to " start low and go slow. "

>

> Regards

> CS

Rich