Re: BG -- Flax and Fish Oil...

December 27, 2004

Thanks BG,

I would just add that some doctors have found that a

combination of flax (and/or borage), plus a smaller amount of

fish oil works even better than flax alone.

(I've started adding cottage cheese to my daily routine, but am

using up my borage oil caps before buying some fresh flax oil to

try.)

But as you say, it depends on one's particular condition, or

whether they have sarcoidosis or lyme as opposed to classical

CFIDS or fibro. Blood tests or saliva tests (or some sort of

intracellular tests) might be able to determine deficiencies or

imbalances.

I for one am still not convinced on the merits of the MP, despite

the 50 or so sarc patients that are on it (plus some with lyme)

and are doing well. Others with non-sarc or non-lyme CFIDS

have found improvement by taking vitamin D ( Jenner),

and/or fish oil and flax oil ( Bartosy in Australia completely

recovered from CFIDS after 4-5 months of the combo, plus an

intitial round of abx for a tooth infection).

Both men have websites discussing the paths they chose.

d.

>

> Regarding 's posting about Essential Fatty Acids from

Fish, the

> following outstanding article on essential fatty acids is pasted

> below. Using the flaxseed oil and sulphurated protein

combined had

> a profound positive effect for me. One of the main things about

it

> is its positive effects on all inflammatory diseases and

> conditions. A particular paragraph is noted below, but I

strongly

> recommend the whole article be read because of its benefits

to

> everyone sick or well. The protein carrier actually gets the

EFA's

> into the cells and repairs them. bg

>

> http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/pub024.pdf

> Go to page 3 of the pdf document and read the paragraph

headed " The

> Essential Fatty Acids: Lost, Strayed, or Stolen? "

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> This is another very interesting comment from another site. I

want

> to remind everyone that some people have faulty Vitamin D

hormone

> handling capabilities and should not consume fish oil or other

forms

> of Vitamin D, i.e. in sarcoidosis, fibrosis, etc. (Dr. Marshall's

> work). I did great using flaxseed oil combination for years (still

> use it), but for several months, after reading Dr. Mercola, I

> started using Carlson's fish oil (excellent taste, etc.), but after

> a few months I developed Dupuytren's Contracture. Don't

know if

> there was any correlation or not, but I stopped it after reading

> some of its contraindications and returned to the flaxseed oil.

bg

>

> http://goodfats.pamrotella.com/

>

> Flax oils vs. fish oil

> In his book, Dr. Rudin (see below) points out that most

Omega-3

> studies are based on fish oil. Rudin finds this disappointing,

as

> he's had better results with flaxseed oil in his own studies.

This

> may be because flaxseed oil starts with the plant form of

linolenic

> acid, ALA (alpha linolenic acid), whereas fish oil contains the

> animal form, DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). The body makes

its own DHA

> and EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) from ALA. Although some

claim that

> the amount of DHA made is small, the body doesn't need

much DHA.

> Most DHA is contained in cell membranes, and is held there

with

> little replacement. In contrast, ALA and compounds made from

it are

> also needed in the body for a number of essential functions.

Fish

> oil cannot provide ALA, and therefore deprives the consumer of

this

> critical compound. Some people feel that they need DHA or

EPA as a

> supplement, and that's their personal choice. However, most

sources

> covering the different types of oil indicate that plant-based

Omega-

> 3s, or ALA, is the better choice.

December 28, 2004

d,

I agree with what you have written as well. We really are so

different. I think I posted here before that I had been reading

about the benefits of phosphatidylserine (PS) for years, by Dr.

Khalsa who is head of the memory and dementia areas of a med school

in Arizona (I believe it's AZ) and by Dr. Perlmutter on his web

site, one of the most renowned neurologists in the country, and many

more accolades about its use from other sources. When my brain felt

as if it had very slow circulation and my memory needed a big boost

in January of 2004, I decided to add the PS to my protocol. I felt

worse and worse over the next several months, but didn't think the

PS was involved. However, in " Detoxx Book for Physicians " I read

that people with autoimmune disorders probably should not use PS as

it can make the blood thicker. It was very timely advice, as the

nurse at my doctor's office had just had difficulty getting my blood

to flow for 3 vials of blood for tests. Before the onset of illness

about 10 years ago, I thought of myself as a very healthy, active

person. Whatever else is going on with me, I learned the PS is

something I definitely need to avoid. I know I have hypercoagulation

since onset of illness, and PS instead of helping made it worse.

I believe as long as I was a very healthy person,

these " eccentricities " did not make themselves known; but, in the

chronic illness state, I'm learning much about these.

The above is just to warn all of you not to assume too many things

without paying attention to any changes in your health status.

So far I've learned over the past 10 years:

1) I cannot convert beta carotene into Vitamin A; and Vit A is

needed to fight infections, eye problems, keep down light

sensitivity, and enhance night driving.

2) After being on meds for a good while, byproducts build up and

cause painful problems in feet and other areas, because of an

apparent defect in Phase I and Phase II detoxification. Also, after

dual abx, I had a body " electrical storm " one morning that caused

the onset of a horrific pain syndrome that rendered me unable to

even get out of bed for 30 minutes after I'd taken a strong pain

pill.

3) After using saline nose drops with Pau d'Arco drops in it, I

immedicately developed uveitis as a result of the resulting

inflammation caused apparently when the drops hit organisms.

4) After adding fish oil to my daily supplements, I began developing

new symptoms linked to fibrosis -- similar to what sarcoid

patients.

There's more, I'm sure, but will stop here. I'm glad I had a

healthy, active life up until 10 years ago. I was a type A work

horse and loved it. But, now I'm wondering -- WHAT happened!!!!

bg

> >

> > Regarding 's posting about Essential Fatty Acids from

> Fish, the

> > following outstanding article on essential fatty acids is pasted

> > below. Using the flaxseed oil and sulphurated protein

> combined had

> > a profound positive effect for me. One of the main things about

> it

> > is its positive effects on all inflammatory diseases and

> > conditions. A particular paragraph is noted below, but I

> strongly

> > recommend the whole article be read because of its benefits

> to

> > everyone sick or well. The protein carrier actually gets the

> EFA's

> > into the cells and repairs them. bg

> >

> > http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/pub024.pdf

> > Go to page 3 of the pdf document and read the paragraph

> headed " The

> > Essential Fatty Acids: Lost, Strayed, or Stolen? "

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > This is another very interesting comment from another site. I

> want

> > to remind everyone that some people have faulty Vitamin D

> hormone

> > handling capabilities and should not consume fish oil or other

> forms

> > of Vitamin D, i.e. in sarcoidosis, fibrosis, etc. (Dr.

Marshall's

> > work). I did great using flaxseed oil combination for years

(still

> > use it), but for several months, after reading Dr. Mercola, I

> > started using Carlson's fish oil (excellent taste, etc.), but

after

> > a few months I developed Dupuytren's Contracture. Don't

> know if

> > there was any correlation or not, but I stopped it after reading

> > some of its contraindications and returned to the flaxseed oil.

> bg

> >

> > http://goodfats.pamrotella.com/

> >

> > Flax oils vs. fish oil

> > In his book, Dr. Rudin (see below) points out that most

> Omega-3

> > studies are based on fish oil. Rudin finds this disappointing,

> as

> > he's had better results with flaxseed oil in his own studies.

> This

> > may be because flaxseed oil starts with the plant form of

> linolenic

> > acid, ALA (alpha linolenic acid), whereas fish oil contains the

> > animal form, DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). The body makes

> its own DHA

> > and EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) from ALA. Although some

> claim that

> > the amount of DHA made is small, the body doesn't need

> much DHA.

> > Most DHA is contained in cell membranes, and is held there

> with

> > little replacement. In contrast, ALA and compounds made from

> it are

> > also needed in the body for a number of essential functions.

> Fish

> > oil cannot provide ALA, and therefore deprives the consumer of

> this

> > critical compound. Some people feel that they need DHA or

> EPA as a

> > supplement, and that's their personal choice. However, most

> sources

> > covering the different types of oil indicate that plant-based

> Omega-

> > 3s, or ALA, is the better choice.

December 28, 2004

Hi:

What would Dr. Perlmutter's web site be and where is he located?

Thanks,

N.