Re: Question for Rich-low WBC count

[Guest guest]

HI Mike,

I'm not Rich but here goes anyway. Rebounding (jumping on a small

trampoline) will increase the WBC.

The rebounder (small trampoline) can act as your lymphy pump (lymph

system doesn't have a pump like the heart). At the bottom of the

bounce, the gravitational pull closes the valves, but at the top of

the bounce the pressure is decreased and the centrifugal force of

your falling allows the lymph to flow up.

Because the lymph is flowing and waste is leaving, the body has a

need for more white blood cells. In a few minutes of heath bouncing

(gently bouncing without your feet leaving the matt), the white blood

cells are increased as much as three fold.

It's actually better to do 1 or 2 or 3 minutes of health bouncing

throughout the day rather than an extended long length of time.

During the health bounce, the toxins and wastes are being removed, so

a new supply of white blood cells is called in, triple in number. In

one hour the WBC count is back to normal, so health bouncing every

waking hour keeps the WBC's optimum in the body and the lymph moving.

Most of that was taken from Brook's, a certified

reboundologist, book " Rebounding To Better Health " .

If you do want to try this, it is important to get a quality rebouder

as a cheaper ones can cause injury to your knees.

You can also forget the rebounder and just get one of those exerciser

balls you see everybody using to do various exercises. It's like a

big beach ball. Just sit on that and gently bounce. None of this

has to be strenous to be effective. I would also think simple skin

brushing that gets the lymph moving would be beneficial.

Gail

>

> Hi Rich- several of us on this list have low WBC (white blood cell)

> count although many do not. I just had some lab tests run two

> weeks ago, and, gee surprise, WBC count of 3.1 whatever when the

> normal range is 4.2-11 (from this lab). I was prompted to ask this

> question when I read the " Desperate " thread about cancer. It seems

> to me that with my (and others) WBC count so chronically low, we/I

> are just waiting for some type of serious infection to take over

> or maybe even cancer.

>

> My question is (for Rich or anyone), " why do you suppose the WBC

> count is chronically low and do you have any suggestions as to what

> to do about it " . I rarely eat refined sugar or bleached wheat.

> My obvious thought is that I have a chronic viral infection, but

> what to do about it. Every doc who has seen the low WBC counts has

> no idea of what to do. Thanks in advance for this answer and all

> the other work that you do, Rich.

>

> Mike C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Sorry, not Rich. I think he has probably left on his

kayaking trip by now.

I don't know if I am barking up the right tree but

could the low WBC count be explained by the MERGE

research into Neutophil death. See

http://www.meresearch.org.uk/research/sponsored/neutrophil.html

In a recent talk to the AACFS Dr Komaroff was reported

as saying " Apoptosis (cell death) of neutrophils may

lead to neutropenia in some patients " .

Hopefully someone can make more sense of this and

confirm.

With warmest regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Mike.

Sorry to be so slow in getting back to you on this question. I've

been out of the country for a while.

I suspect that the low white blood cell count is another result of

the depletion of glutathione in CFS. Here's the argument for this:

The neutrophils normally represent about 50 to 60% of the total

white blood cells, so a low white cell count usually implies a low

neutrophil count. Do you have a differential white cell count in

addition to your total white blood cell count?

It is known that the neutrophils use glutathione to protect

themselves from the oxidizing species they produce in their

respiratory burst when they are attacking bacteria or foreign

particulates.

It seems reasonable to believe that if there is less glutathione in

the neutrophils, they will be more vulnerable to their own

respiratory bursts.

Vance Spence's group at the U. of Dundee in Scotland have reported

(Kennedy, G. et al., J. Clin. Pathol. 2004;57:891-893) that

neutrophils of patients with CFS have an increased rate of

apoptosis, which is controlled cell death.

While it is not known what causes this, it seems reasonable to

suspect that low glutathione is responsible.

While it is not known for sure that the increased rate of apoptosis

is responsible for lower white cell counts, it seems reasonable to

suspect that it is.

If the above is true, then raising the level of glutathione would

appear to be the thing to do to correct the low white cell count.

As I have said before, I think that the best way to do this is by a

combination of an approach that puts reduced glutathione per se into

the bloodstream (such as I.V. or I.M. or troches or suppositories or

nebulized glutathione) and an oral approach using something like

ImmunoPro Rx; or NAC, glycine, and glutamine (or glutamic acid); or

NAC combined with animal-based dietary protein to supply the liver

with the substrates it needs to produce glutathione. Any of these

three oral approaches should also be combined with taking a high-

potency general nutritional supplement such as Sparx

(www.krysalis.net) or something similar to supply the vitamin and

mineral cofactors needed to assist in the biosynthesis of

glutathione.

I suggest measuring the glutathione level before and after these

efforts to build it up. If the glutathione will not build up to

normal levels by these means, then I suspect that there are either

well-entrenched infections or high levels of toxins present that are

preventing it from rising. Mercury in particular can block the

formation of glutathione by inhibiting the enzymes involved in doing

this.

Rich

>

> Hi Rich- several of us on this list have low WBC (white blood cell)

> count although many do not. I just had some lab tests run two

> weeks ago, and, gee surprise, WBC count of 3.1 whatever when the

> normal range is 4.2-11 (from this lab). I was prompted to ask this

> question when I read the " Desperate " thread about cancer. It seems

> to me that with my (and others) WBC count so chronically low, we/I

> are just waiting for some type of serious infection to take over

> or maybe even cancer.

>

> My question is (for Rich or anyone), " why do you suppose the WBC

> count is chronically low and do you have any suggestions as to what

> to do about it " . I rarely eat refined sugar or bleached wheat.

> My obvious thought is that I have a chronic viral infection, but

> what to do about it. Every doc who has seen the low WBC counts has

> no idea of what to do. Thanks in advance for this answer and all

> the other work that you do, Rich.

>

> Mike C.

[Guest guest]

Mike & Rich,

I've copied and will paste an excerpt below that may apply to

those " either well-entrenched infections or high levels of toxins

present that are preventing it from rising " spoken of by Rich. This

is from www.rheumatic.org web site (featuring the work of Dr.

McPherson Brown) in " Frequently Asked Questions " on the site.

http://www.rheumatic.org/faq.htm

14. MY DOCTOR HAS TOLD ME TO STOP THE MINOCYCLINE (MINOCIN) BECAUSE

OF A LOW WHITE BLOOD COUNT.

White blood cells are used to fight infection. A low white blood

cell count is clinically called leukopenia. This occurs when there

is a reduction in the normal number of circulating white blood cells

in the blood stream. This condition involves the blood and the bone

marrow. Patients may demonstrate a low white cell count before

commencing the antibiotics. This can be due to the nature of their

illness, or previous therapy such as methotrexate that causes

suppression of white blood cells, platelets and red blood cells.

This is caused by increased destruction or impaired production of

these cells. Poor quality protein intake or digestion (impaired

pancreatic enzyme or HCI production), inadequate trace mineral or

essential fatty acid intake are other causes.

A blood test called the Carbon test is enormously helpful at

determining the cause of the decreased WBC. The company Body Bio

(888-320-8338) can provide a clinician that can perform the test in

your area.

A doctor may be cautious and suggest that you cease the minocycline

therapy. This is to check that this is not the trigger of the

leukopenia. If the white count returns to normal then one can resume

the minocycline and observe if the WBC count decreases again. If it

decreases again it probably is not wise to continue with the

Minocin.

The minocycline assists the body in clearing the infection and once

the infectious trigger which stimulates the increased production of

white blood cells is gone, the WBC will drop to its normal non-

infectious level. [end of rheumatic.org excerpt]

bg

> >

> > Hi Rich- several of us on this list have low WBC (white blood

cell)

> > count although many do not. I just had some lab tests run two

> > weeks ago, and, gee surprise, WBC count of 3.1 whatever when the

> > normal range is 4.2-11 (from this lab). I was prompted to ask

this

> > question when I read the " Desperate " thread about cancer. It

seems

> > to me that with my (and others) WBC count so chronically low,

we/I

> > are just waiting for some type of serious infection to take over

> > or maybe even cancer.

> >

> > My question is (for Rich or anyone), " why do you suppose the WBC

> > count is chronically low and do you have any suggestions as to

what

> > to do about it " . I rarely eat refined sugar or bleached wheat.

> > My obvious thought is that I have a chronic viral infection, but

> > what to do about it. Every doc who has seen the low WBC counts

has

> > no idea of what to do. Thanks in advance for this answer and all

> > the other work that you do, Rich.

> >

> > Mike C.