Re: MODERATOR: copying text from public lists

[Guest guest]

Well, I can't quote the exact law, or 's rules (although I

could tell you about artwork), but both Delphi and About have very

strict rules about copyright infringement, and if you don't observe

them, i.e. post full copies of other people's writings, articles,

etc., your forum can be shut down immediately. Must be some reason

they're worried.

penny

>

> Ken and Laurie, I know you guys are sensetive to this b/c of your

own

> published works, just like an artist would get mad if he saw

another person making

> a copy of his CD w/o paying for it, but in regards to the internet

I do

> wonder where this law is. Can you cite references for this law?

If copyright

> laws were that important there would never be copy machines in

libraries. I

> think maybe if you can't find the law then just suggest that it

is good

> etiquette to supply a link, but if it is truly a law I'd like to

know b/c I don't

> understand the logic and feel it is every bit as important to

cite the law when

> declaring it as fact than it is to cite a Pubmed link when

declaring

> something medical as fact.

>

> I think if the law ever did directly stipulate and govern

Groups

> lists, common sense would dictate that if it is a list that is

not open to public

> then one should not copy text from that list unless permission is

first given

> from the author. But if it is an open list then why worry about

copying and

> posting text from a list that is open for anyone to read? Also,

private

> emails should not be posted to a list w/o the prior consent of

the author.

> Those two points we can agree on. I am not here to argue but I

do want to know

> what the law says specifically. As it stands, I think that my

argument would

> hold up in court. Should not this be the common sense rule? But

keep in

> mind it is your list and so your system of etiquette rules the

day here as I

> have obeyed it since you warned me a long time ago not to copy

text even from

> public rooms, but I am just asking for citation of the law OR at

minimum, post

> it as your own made up rule of etiquette. Sound reasonable?

Thanks. I am

> not an attorney and do not play one on TV.

>

>

> In a message dated 8/1/2004 10:56:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

> So, copying parts of emails to this list without the author's

> permission is a violation of existing copyright laws. It also

has

> generated in the past, poor relationships with moderators in

other

> groups and our enforcing of it has been very well received by

those

> other moderators. We regret that we need to be restrictive, but

we

> feel that these restrictions have fostered a better group which

is

> well respected.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Copyright infringement OR theft of intellectual property is one

thing, but copying text from one group and pasting that text

to another is hardly copyright infringement. Even does not

bar this. Check it out:

http://docs./info/copyright/copyright.html

If a poster goes outside of and copies copyrighted material

and pastes it into this group permission from the owner, that is

copyright infringement. Intellectual property rights on the other

hand is a grey area. If I posted a personal email from someone

privately emailing me, especially if they are say in a heated

argument and not something they would ever desire to be shown

publicly, this is at minimum bad etiquette. If there is

nothing " intellectual " contained w/i the text though it would be

hard to construe it as " intellectual property " since no original

ideas came from it.

General rule is not to post something from one group that is

private membership and post it into another public group.

Simple common sense is pasting the link from the group that

contains the text you want everyone to read leads to the exact same

conclusion for the reader: they get to read the material in the end

and w/o the writer's permission, so this argument isn't logical. If

the writer did not want it to be read publicly, he/she would not be

posting it publicly in the first place.

As well, copying text from a Delphi forum and pasting them into

w/o the writers permission is obvious copyright infringement,

although if you want to be technical here, Delphi might not like

anyone copying text from their groups and putting them into another

group w/o contacting not only the owner but Delphi, as example.

Ken/Laurie, would you mind establishing that it is not copyright

infringement since you have no proof and that it is just against the

rules of this particular group to paste material from another group

w/o asking them first? I can live with that but I don't think it is

right to say someone is breaking the law if they are not. Again,

this is nothing personal, just talking legalities here and it is not

proper to cite law that does not exist or apply.

Law is one of the most confusing things b/c it is always changing or

in new areas like internet, just hasn't come into place yet due to

no precedents set, and even if it is place, one has to have access

to it to read it b/c ignorance of the law is no excuse. I used to

want to go into law is why I'm intrigued by this. I'd do it too if

there weren't so many lawyers already out there. Always a reason

not to do something.

[Guest guest]

i.e. post full copies of other people's writings, articles,

> etc., your forum can be shut down immediately. Must be some reason

> they're worried.

>

> penny

Penny,

I forwarded two posts from your MP list word-for-word, full-copies.

Is that against the law?

Bob