Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 I'd just like to say that the question of immune defences to mad cow disease is a very real one. We've had more cases in the UK than anywhere else and I think that almost without exception the victims have been aged under 20 when they ate the burgers. The explanation the experts give is that adults' immune systems must be able to cope with the prions in a way that immature immune systems cannot. I don't know how immune defence works here, but I wouldn't want to inject animal extracts until we do know. Also, the point that people are still eating meat is a red herring. The prions are known to concentrate in the brain, the nervous system and in glands, not in muscles or milk. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Makes the case even stronger? I don't think so. The point is not that humans that got CJD from taking growth hormone coming from humans did not get it b/c those humans from which it came had CJD; they got it b/c man is not supposed to eat man just as cows ain't supposed to eat other animals and so when they put animals into cow's feed the cows developed mad cow. Truth is there is much still not known about prions and how we end up with CJD or its variances but the bottom line is man is supposed to eat animals and so as long as they are not infected with CJD there shouldn't be much risk with consuming animal glandulars, or am I the one missing something here? Like I said, if getting CJD were as simple as eating raw glandular material then there is no way Armour thyroid would be popular and considered safe. In a message dated 5/15/2004 9:08:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Yes, I had forgotten that growth hormone was originally coming from humans, but that makes the case for not using animal glandulars even stronger as it is much more likely that cows will be contaminated than humans have a genetic form of CJD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Hi if the us tested our cows like japan does making mandatory testing of all young cows (not sure proper name)under a certain number years of age, we would have a farily safe meat product produced but since our govenrement is ducking this issues and alot of people in the government agencies that regulate it were formerly associated with the meat industry in many ways , it will be along time before our meat in this country is safe ....Granted some regulations were passed after the us scare but it wasnt enuf... I do occasionally eat meat for the record. tealk > [Original Message] > From: a Carnes <pj7@...> > < > > Date: 5/15/2004 11:59:15 AM > Subject: INJECTED animal products > > , thanks for your lengthy comments on CJD and Mad Cow disease. I will > only say that there is no way I would INJECT a product from an animal. > Actually I wouldn't even take an oral thymus extract. I have had more than > one endocrinologist say they should not be taken, certainly not injected. > Yes, I had forgotten that growth hormone was originally coming from humans, > but that makes the case for not using animal glandulars even stronger as it > is much more likely that cows will be contaminated than humans have a > genetic form of CJD. > > As to the possiblilty that meat is carrying prions, I would say the way > animals are slaughtered, carelessly, and the way the US is not checking > animals, almost no checks, it is highly likely that the meat will > occasionally have prions in it. I was outraged that the one cow in the US > recently that was actually falling down, and partly paralysed was still > slaughtered for FOOD. How about the cows who's symptoms have not yet > appeared? > > I hear about a lot of companies developing products produced in animals. > There is always constant concern about the purity. > > When synthetic versions are available that are EXACTLY like human hormones > there is no reason to take animal glandulars. This would include Premarin, > growth hormone, and thymus. > a > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Hi The pigs that are used to make Armour Thyroid are exclusively grain fed and do not eat ground up animal protein - I checked this with the manufacturers before taking it. I was concerned to find this out because there have been cases of BSE found in pigs in the UK (and sheep as well for that matter) I guess if you could find a source of glandulars from exclusively grain fed animals that would lessen the risk of prion disease being present INJECTED animal products > Makes the case even stronger? I don't think so. The point is not that > humans that got CJD from taking growth hormone coming from humans did not get it > b/c those humans from which it came had CJD; they got it b/c man is not supposed > to eat man just as cows ain't supposed to eat other animals and so when they > put animals into cow's feed the cows developed mad cow. Truth is there is > much still not known about prions and how we end up with CJD or its variances but > the bottom line is man is supposed to eat animals and so as long as they are > not infected with CJD there shouldn't be much risk with consuming animal > glandulars, or am I the one missing something here? Like I said, if getting CJD > were as simple as eating raw glandular material then there is no way Armour > thyroid would be popular and considered safe. > > > In a message dated 5/15/2004 9:08:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: > Yes, I had forgotten that growth hormone was originally coming from humans, > but that makes the case for not using animal glandulars even stronger as it > is much more likely that cows will be contaminated than humans have a > genetic form of CJD. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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