Re: What causes CFS sore throat and swollen lymph nodes????

[Guest guest]

hi, mort. i lurk here, but seldom post. i've had cfs for 29 years, and i've

had a sore throat (on the left side) and swollen, sore lymph nodes the

entire time.

my worst swollen lymph nodes are always worse on the left side, right under

my jaw. don't know if there's any connection to my sore throats being on the

left side, too. the lymph nodes under my left arm are also swollen and sore.

i hope this information helps a bit. (i don't know the cause of these

symptoms, but i suspect our lymph systems are generally pretty sluggish with

this disease.)

i hope this helps some,

maggie

----- Original Message -----

From: " Mort Caldwell " <caldbio@...>

: For the past month, I have had a very severe sore right throat and swollen

: right cervical (lower neck) lymph node, which is driving me crazy. The

pain

: is not just not in my throat when I swallow, it is also in the lymph node

: when I move my head sideways or up or down. Left throat side is very

: normal, with no pain at all.

:

: I know sore throat and swollen cervical and axillary lymph nodes are in

all

: the official case definitions, i.e., Fukuda, and I have had lots of sore

: throat episodes during the 10 years I have had CFS, but nothing like this

: time. In the

: past, the sore throat has lasted about only 2 or 3 days, with no lymph

node

: swelling or pain.

:

: Anyone have any information on exactly what causes CFS sore throat and

: swollen, painful lymph nodes? Some web sites say it is a Candida fungus

: infection, due to our reduced immune system.. But I have just completed a

7

: day run of antifungual oral Diflucan at 150 mg/day and my throat and lymph

: gland

: pain is worse. Also been gargling with Nyatstin for two weeks. No help.

:

: Pain now even hits when I move my right arm or strongly exhale. Lymph

node

: is swollen out

: about 1/4 inch and also has 3 minor subdermal nodules right over it..

:

: My doc did a strep throat swab test, which was negative. She know almost

: nothing about CFS.

: So what hell is this CFS-induced throat infection? What causes it? That

is

: my key question.

:

: It is now so bad that I am worried about throat and/or lymph node cancer,

: and am making an appointment with an ENT doc tomorrow, but probably won't

: get in for a week or more.. And he/she probably won't know anything about

: CFS, so need some

: info to take, other than the listing of symptoms in the official

definitions

: of CFS..

:

: Any help will be greatly appreciated! Life with this very painful throat

: and lymph gland is becoming unbearable, and although I have lived with

some

: very bad CFS symptoms for 10 years, this one is is giving me funeral plan

: thoughts.. Maybe it really is cancer. I am going to damn well find out.

:

: Many thanks,

:

: PWC Mort Caldwell

: Was doing ok functioning at at 30% with CFS, but this added throat thing

is

: is just too much.

: CFS since July 1994

: Age 63

:

:

:

:

:

:

:

:

:

: This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

:

[Guest guest]

Dear Mort,

EBV is a likely cause as is other herpes viruses. Other possible causes

include deficiency of vitamin B2 or zinc.

If you have zinc deficiency, you will likely have several of the following:

Skin rashes

Frequent infections

White spots on nails

Eczema, acne, and/or psoriasis

Behavioral disturbances (including hyperactivity)

Night blindness

Diarrhea

Stretch marks

Decreased appetite

Infertility

Clouding/swelling of corneas

Impaired taste and smell

Slow wound healing

Hair discoloration and loss

Impaired protein digestion

Male infertility

If you have a B2 (riboflavin) deficiency, you will likely have some of the

following:

-sore throat

-redness and swelling of the lining of the mouth and throat

-cracks or sores on the outsides of the lips (cheliosis) and at the corners

of the mouth (angular stomatitis)

-inflammation, redness or atrophy of the tongue (magenta tongue)

-moist, scaly skin inflammation (seborrheic dermatitis); also

whiteheads-formation of blood vessels in the clear covering of the eye

(vascularization of the cornea); possibly cataracts

-decreased red blood cell count

Best regards, Blake Graham

What causes CFS sore throat and swollen lymph

nodes????

> For the past month, I have had a very severe sore right throat and swollen

> right cervical (lower neck) lymph node, which is driving me crazy. The

pain

> is not just not in my throat when I swallow, it is also in the lymph node

> when I move my head sideways or up or down. Left throat side is very

> normal, with no pain at all.

>

> I know sore throat and swollen cervical and axillary lymph nodes are in

all

> the official case definitions, i.e., Fukuda, and I have had lots of sore

> throat episodes during the 10 years I have had CFS, but nothing like this

> time. In the

> past, the sore throat has lasted about only 2 or 3 days, with no lymph

node

> swelling or pain.

>

> Anyone have any information on exactly what causes CFS sore throat and

> swollen, painful lymph nodes? Some web sites say it is a Candida fungus

> infection, due to our reduced immune system.. But I have just completed a

7

> day run of antifungual oral Diflucan at 150 mg/day and my throat and lymph

> gland

> pain is worse. Also been gargling with Nyatstin for two weeks. No help.

>

> Pain now even hits when I move my right arm or strongly exhale. Lymph

node

> is swollen out

> about 1/4 inch and also has 3 minor subdermal nodules right over it..

>

> My doc did a strep throat swab test, which was negative. She know almost

> nothing about CFS.

> So what hell is this CFS-induced throat infection? What causes it? That

is

> my key question.

>

> It is now so bad that I am worried about throat and/or lymph node cancer,

> and am making an appointment with an ENT doc tomorrow, but probably won't

> get in for a week or more.. And he/she probably won't know anything about

> CFS, so need some

> info to take, other than the listing of symptoms in the official

definitions

> of CFS..

>

> Any help will be greatly appreciated! Life with this very painful throat

> and lymph gland is becoming unbearable, and although I have lived with

some

> very bad CFS symptoms for 10 years, this one is is giving me funeral plan

> thoughts.. Maybe it really is cancer. I am going to damn well find out.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> PWC Mort Caldwell

> Was doing ok functioning at at 30% with CFS, but this added throat thing

is

> is just too much.

> CFS since July 1994

> Age 63

[Guest guest]

Hi Cort,

I would also like to understand the sore throats in

CFS and ME. My acute onset illness started with a sore

throat/glands etc and has continued off and on for

over 20 years. The original illness was in the summer

and my worst bouts now are in the summer.

I can have lumps the size of golf balls on my glands

and what my GP says is pus on my tonsils. When he took

a swab a few months ago no infection could be detected

by the NHS lab but they are hardly cutting edge....

The viri that kept reoccuring ere EBV and CMV although

it's been years since I was tested.

Like yourself anti-candida measures have made no

difference. The things that have helped me are

Imunovir and a homeopathic remedy called " baryta

carb " . To a smaller extent salt gargles and tea-tree

gargles help as well.

Mainly the swollen glands start on the left hand side

and then move to the right, back to the left and then

begin to clear. Dr Hyams says that I have an area of

lymph congestion at the top of my chest towards the

neck on the left side.

Hope that you get some answers.

With wamest regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

Mort,

Like many of us,I also had problem of sore throats over the last 16 years on and

off.(I have always treated them with local anti bacterial agents like salt

water,iodine solution etc). About 2 years ago I had swollen lymph node.Actually

they were 2 nodes.It was not much painful but it was big.My nodes were at the

part where my legs join the body(don't know the name of that part)I also was

extremely worried about it but could not have a chance of getting some

investigation.Meanwhile I noticed that I was taking one of my hormone

supplements at 3 times higher dosage than it should be and I corrected the

dosage.I don't remember the period exactly but I think nodes went away

themselves after 1 or 2 months without me doing anything . My thought afterwards

was that my toxic load has increased due to wrong supplementation.

Of course you will go on with your investigation because there might be many

causes of this but I thought you might also consider the possibility of toxic

load. It could be that your detox agents could not handle the toxins generated

by anti-fungal and/or other supplements and toxins were accumulated at the lymph

nodes. Your immune system may also be overloaded due to toxin accumulation and

your viral throat infection might have been activated.While continuing your

investigation you may consider to decrease the load on your liver by cutting

some of the supplements off for a while,use some liver detox agents like castor

oil packs,drink lots of water(no need to say),try to find means of moving lymph

by message or rebounding type of exercise, etc.You probably know all these

things but just wanted to remind.These might be simple solutions but might help.

Hope we hear from you soon that it went away. Take care.

Nil

What causes CFS sore throat and swollen lymph

nodes????

For the past month, I have had a very severe sore right throat and swollen

right cervical (lower neck) lymph node, which is driving me crazy. The pain

is not just not in my throat when I swallow, it is also in the lymph node

when I move my head sideways or up or down. Left throat side is very

normal, with no pain at all.

I know sore throat and swollen cervical and axillary lymph nodes are in all

the official case definitions, i.e., Fukuda, and I have had lots of sore

throat episodes during the 10 years I have had CFS, but nothing like this

time. In the

past, the sore throat has lasted about only 2 or 3 days, with no lymph node

swelling or pain.

Anyone have any information on exactly what causes CFS sore throat and

swollen, painful lymph nodes? Some web sites say it is a Candida fungus

infection, due to our reduced immune system.. But I have just completed a 7

day run of antifungual oral Diflucan at 150 mg/day and my throat and lymph

gland

pain is worse. Also been gargling with Nyatstin for two weeks. No help.

Pain now even hits when I move my right arm or strongly exhale. Lymph node

is swollen out

about 1/4 inch and also has 3 minor subdermal nodules right over it..

My doc did a strep throat swab test, which was negative. She know almost

nothing about CFS.

So what hell is this CFS-induced throat infection? What causes it? That is

my key question.

It is now so bad that I am worried about throat and/or lymph node cancer,

and am making an appointment with an ENT doc tomorrow, but probably won't

get in for a week or more.. And he/she probably won't know anything about

CFS, so need some

info to take, other than the listing of symptoms in the official definitions

of CFS..

Any help will be greatly appreciated! Life with this very painful throat

and lymph gland is becoming unbearable, and although I have lived with some

very bad CFS symptoms for 10 years, this one is is giving me funeral plan

thoughts.. Maybe it really is cancer. I am going to damn well find out.

Many thanks,

PWC Mort Caldwell

Was doing ok functioning at at 30% with CFS, but this added throat thing is

is just too much.

CFS since July 1994

Age 63

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.