Re: speaking of ENERGY THERAPIES

[Guest guest]

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I am having great success with immunics, which is free and available on the

web at www.immunics.org (well, the early lessons are free; the more advanced

lessons are $9 a month, last time I checked). It is a slow process which

requires discipline, or perhaps devotion, but it is working miracles for me.

The teachers have a Hindu-ish orientation but the procedures work within any

belief system. It's easy to get started--but it is probably not within the

scientific purview of this list. Feel free to backchannel me if you have

questions. I have no financial interest in this outfit.

speaking of ENERGY THERAPIES

Id love to know if any of you have had any experience with this

technique,

or if you can recommend another energy/meridian therapy that you HAVE had

great success with.

Thanks in advance for your attention and help. Hope you all have a decent

week. : )

Love,

[Guest guest]

After an awful lot of reading on this loop I have formed the impression that any

modality that results in a " dramatic improvement, " is likely to be followed by a

crash. Even if dramatic may mean over a period of say, a few months. But people

also have crashed from slower improvements.

Myself, I think the secret is what you do with the functionality you do get.

After many years of ups and downs, I am still tempted to pull out all the stops

I can and go back, as much as I can manage, to leading as compulsively stressful

(love that stress), a life as the " normal " American does.

I think the slower improvement just doesn't give the thrilling rush that a

faster one does, and so you have a better chance to resist the temptation to go

all our. My 2 cents.

Adrienne

speaking of ENERGY THERAPIES

Hello All : )

In the thread of the NAET question, I was wondering if any of you have had

experience with a new energy/meridian therapy called " NMT " or NeuroModulation

Technique? I tried it over the summer and did over a half dozen treatments.

I found help at first (once again), but then fell back so badly, I have been

bedridden ever since.

Has anyone had a similar experience with this therapy, or had dramatic

improvement from it? Its a remarkable energy technique-- light years advanced

from NAET and bioSET. I just wonder why it made me so much sicker... I wonder

if

it has something to do with the fact that so many of us w/CFS are massively

reversed.

Ive spoken to people who have gotten complete relief of lifelong

debilitating symptoms, however none who have the dx. of CFS.

Id love to know if any of you have had any experience with this technique,

or if you can recommend another energy/meridian therapy that you HAVE had

great success with. Maybe I just need to find a more skilled practitioner.

Im

not willing to give up on this yet. Just in case you're not familiar w/this

particular therapy, Im including a link to its website: NeuroModulation

Technique

Thanks in advance for your attention and help. Hope you all have a decent

week. : )

Love,

[Guest guest]

That is assuming that the " dramatic improvement " is in the area of energy,

or allows increased mobility. I know that there seems to be an inordinate

amount of focus on fatigue with CFS, but since I have fit the category for

severe ME, I don't tend to think in terms of fatigue, as much as all the

other problems that I've had. So dramatic improvements to me don't

necessarily mean more energy.

I've had dramatic improvement in other areas that have been extremely

beneficial to me without leading to a crash. Dramatic improvement in my

ability to tolerate a wider variety of foods and chemicals so that I could

actually be exposed to things without it causing me to crash, and actually

eat better nutritionally; dramatic improvement in pain so that I could sleep

more soundly; dramatic improvement in my panic attack problems so that I

wasn't so easily stressed by everything, including things as simple as

laughing; (There have been times that I've crashed from laughing at a joke.

Supposedly laughter is good for immune function. But that's only if you have

the ability to tolerate the exertion from laughing) dramatic improvement in

cognitive function so that I could read, without crashing from it.

I'd love it if I had dramatic improvement in my fatigue problems, but it

looks like that is going to be the last thing to go completely. That is not

to say that I don't crash from overdoing it. Just that there are a lot of

symptoms that I have, and eliminating any of those symptoms is a dramatic

improvement for me, even if it doesn't allow me to have more energy. Having

more energy is the least of my problems.

So for me, the " dramatic improvement " that I've had from seeing my BioSET

practitioner has been invaluable to me, and I wouldn't trade it for

anything. It's allowed me to go from being bedridden with severe orthostatic

intolerance and dizziness and reactive to everything with hives or panic

attacks, reacting to every food with IBS attacks, every little stressor both

good and bad, with severe pain that at times has been bad enough to make me

pass out, and has amazed me at how overwhelming it can be, more than any

other symptom that I've had, to where I have a much better quality of life,

even if I still have fatigue problems and have to limit my activities. Just

being able to eat a peach, or a lettuce salad is a luxury that I'm now able

to tolerate. I can read a book without crashing. I can sleep for longer

periods of time at night, which is an absolute luxury. I can survive a trip

through the detergent isle in the grocery store without crashing. You don't

realize how much of a luxury those things are unless you've gone through

those problems.

Having said all that, I think that in my case I've had to go through a great

deal to get to where I could tolerate more, and a lot of the things I've

tried have made me crash. For a long time the progression of my illness was

only downhill, and the best I could manage was to slow down that

progression. And I think that is what point you are talking about, where

crashing causes a speed up of downhill progression, or keeps putting you

back to the starting point. Being able to change the direction of

progression may mean trying a lot of things that could potentially cause

things to get worse. And it helps to be able to better pinpoint what things

are causing problems, by better testing, more knowledge about the illness,

and access to medical (or alternative medicine) people who have knowledge

about the illness.

Since my current BioSET practitioner always asks what my bodies priority for

treatment is, I have not had a negative reaction to treatments. Past

practitioners didn't ask, and would have their own agenda for what to treat.

And that inevitably caused problems, of either not being able to hold the

treatment, or having a negative reaction to the treatment, or having the

treatment not bring about any improvement, etc. So in a sense, it means

listening to my body, listening to the subtle things that can indicate that

you may be near limits, listening to what the body needs, and trusting those

signals, and having a practitioner that is also willing to listen to what

the body needs.

lindaj@...

Re: speaking of ENERGY THERAPIES

> After an awful lot of reading on this loop I have formed the impression

that any modality that results in a " dramatic improvement, " is likely to be

followed by a crash. Even if dramatic may mean over a period of say, a few

months. But people also have crashed from slower improvements.

> Myself, I think the secret is what you do with the functionality you do

get. After many years of ups and downs, I am still tempted to pull out all

the stops I can and go back, as much as I can manage, to leading as

compulsively stressful (love that stress), a life as the " normal " American

does.

> I think the slower improvement just doesn't give the thrilling rush that a

faster one does, and so you have a better chance to resist the temptation to

go all our. My 2 cents.

> Adrienne