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What is it specifically about DAN that does not jive with Dr Goldberg.

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>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:53:05 -0500

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>From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

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>Hi all,

>

>My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

>with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

>planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as

>he

>does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

>boat?

>

>Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

>have

>not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has any

>Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

>

>Trina

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Hi, If I remember correctly, he feels they are focusing on different parts

of their illness,

instead of looking at the whole picture. I know that he questions the

safety of some of

the treatments being used. Hopefully with the trials funded by MAT,

there will be

better treatments available, the immune modulators.

Cheryl

> From: " Liz Birt " <hope79@...>

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> What is it specifically about DAN that does not jive with Dr Goldberg.

> Thank you

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From my time spent working with Dr. G, (since 1996), I've come to understand

that he agrees , along with the DAN docs, that we are working with immune

dysfunction. The primary way that he diverges from the DAN protocol (from my

understanding), is that Dr. G's focus is not on figuring out how this

happened to our children, but in pushing through the new

immunomodulators---in other words , let's fix this problem as fast as

possible. I think Dr. G appreciates the contributions of the DAN docs, just

differs in what he is doing about the problem. Dr. G does not think that the

use of sectetin and IVIG infusion is a safe way to go; since he's gotten good

results with kutapressin and since it's been used for years without problem

by patients with shingles etc, he feels it's a safe thing to try. What Dr. G

has seen in his own practice is that although a lot of interventions (like

the megadose vitamins, and other supplements) initially help, when the

child's immune system starts regulating , the supplements start having a

negative effect. That is why he stresses eliminating problem foods and

minimizing supplementation, normalizing the child's immune system as much as

possible, and then slowly and systematically trying the extremely safe

choices. If you look at the list of doctors making up the board

(www.nids.net), you will see that all of the people making it up are in fact

MD's. Dr. Goldberg has done a great job working with my children's

" mainstream " docs--any divisiveness that has been created has certainly not

been generated by him. What I continually hear from Dr. G is that he desires

for us all to work together, and thus get our kids helped SOONER.

Kate

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SSRI = a.k.a. the antidepressants (used for our kids to help with oxygenation

of the brain ... it's really helped my kid and thousands of others).

Includes prozac, celexe. zoloft, paxil.

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I don't agree with this. Dr. Goldberg does not have a different opinion.

He stresses this is autoimmune and so do ALL the DAN! docs. I stayed away

from DAN! for a long time, too. Then I learned so much from those docs.

Dr. Baker who was the author of the DAN! protocol recommends anti-virals,

anti-fungals, SSRIs, just like Dr. Goldberg. Nothing has helped my daughter

more than the gf/cf diet. I learned about that at the DAN! conference. It

is definitely worthwhile. Of all the docs at the DAN! last year, only two

had heard of kutapressin. The rest were very interested to hear what it was

and how it was being used.

Perhaps Dr. G. should continue to share information with these docs instead

of being so divisive.

Dr. Kalle Reichelt is a DAN! doc, and he does not agree with the use of

secretin. Neither does Sudhir Gupta. Even Vijendra Singh is a DAN! doc.

Dr. G. chooses to omit the success Vijendra Singh shows in treating autistic

kids with sphingolin, prednisone, IVIG and secretin.

Dr. Goldberg also stresses that most the DAN! docs are PhDs and not MDs.

Yet his own committee has just as many PhDs, and he continues to turn

to the chemists in the pharmaceutical industry to create those immune

modulators.

Dr. G. also talks about lack of science in DAN!. There are no studies on

secretin. Prednisone is not safe. Show me a safety study on Kutapressin in

pediatrics. Show me a study on the safe use of Valtrex in pediatrics. Show

me something that PROVES that SSRIs increase brain profusion.

I agree with Dr. G that DAN! does not have all the answers I agree that some

of the labs that are used by DAN! are doing stuff that doesn't pass the

smell test. We, as parents need to do a lot of our own homework. That

includes looking in to as many interventions as we can stand.

Jo Silva

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

Hi all,

My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as he

does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same boat?

Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I have

not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has any

Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

Trina

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I think its good that the focus is now becoming more defined. Hopefully all

the doctors will work together to find the best possible treatment for our

children. Kutapressin has been around for something like 50 years. It is

used by some of the doctors who treat CFIDS. IVIG and cortisone is also

discussed in CFIDS, along with the possible risks of virus transmission in

IVIG as opposed to injection. Cortisone is an immune suppressant, which can

make you more susceptable to infections and can make them harder to treat.

Secretin could be something helpful, who knows, but until some studies have

been done there are so many unknowns. It has never been used repeatedly.

We all really need to work together, so we can get some better answers and

have a way to tell what treatment works for who. I think alot of the

doctors are trying to do that, and thats what we need.

Cheryl

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

>

> From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

> with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as

he

> does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

boat?

>

> Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

have

> not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has

any

> Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

>

> Trina

>

>

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What does SSRI stand for?Just curious as I have seen it mentioned a few

times.

Thanks,

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

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>From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

>

>Hi all,

>

>My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

>with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

>planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as

he

>does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

boat?

>

>Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

have

>not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has any

>Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

>

>Trina

>

>

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Can some one please post for me an article or abstract that shows that

prozac and the other SSRIs help with oxygenation of the brain or increase

brain perfusion? Every time I mention this to a neurologist they are

stumped. They have never heard of this. They would like to see some

articles on it. I would also like to see some articles about prozac helping

" thousands " of kids. I think there was a study at Duke with 8 kids.

Jo

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SSRI = a.k.a. the antidepressants (used for our kids to help with

oxygenation

of the brain ... it's really helped my kid and thousands of others).

Includes prozac, celexe. zoloft, paxil.

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Hi,

How is the EPD going? I had looked into that at one time, but the

restrictions around the time of the shot(diet,exposures,etc.) seemed like

they would be impossible with all the sensitivities my son has. Plus an

information exchange group that I had belonged to,kept surveys on what was

helpful, no help or harmful. The results were pretty mixed, with a portion

of people saying they got worse. Unfortunately this was the case with many

of the different treatments people were trying. What some people would list

as extremely helpful, others would list as harmful.

Cheryl

Re: Goldberg/Kane/DAN

> From: " Jeff Stone " <ETIGUY@...>

>

> It is worth noting that Dr. Sidney Baker (principal author of the DAN

> protocol) lists Dr. Goldberg's website on his own site:

>

> http://www.sbakermd.com/

>

> We are also currently getting EPD from a protege of Dr. Baker's and he is

> interested in Dr. Goldberg's work.

>

>

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