Anybody on this list ever visit Dr. Klinghardt?

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Out of nearly 1000 members on this list I hear so many folks seeing Cheney.

I was just wondering if there is even one single individual here who has seen

Dr. Klinghardt. Can you tell me your experience and what you think PLEASE.

If you are a lurker (as 95% or more seem to be on this list) and are

uncomfortable posting publicly please email me privately. I just find it

interesting that there has not been a soul here to mention they've been to

him. I have used them for my DMPS protocol which seems to have helped over 8

months now and they have a lot of hollistic oriented experience imo that does

not just concentrate with CFS which is fine with me b/c who's to say everyone

here is CFS and also who's to say a CFS only doc is better than other docs

who look at other areas other than " pure " CFS? Imo CFS is moreless a generic

definition which gives a doc a way out of admiting they don't know what the F

is wrong with us but are able to admit we are F'd up and so we have CFS.

Interestingly if a person treats their CFS by addressing EBV then they know

longer had CFS but had chronic EBV all along, yet they were previously CFS.

So basically it is CFS until proven otherwise and that's again why I say CFS

is a generic label which gives docs a way out. Docs usually don't like to

admit they don't know something so now it's like " I do know you are CFS " and

their ego is patronized! This is not to take away from the definition of CFS

or belittle its existence. The same thing goes with mycoplasma, lyme and

lyme coinfections, mercury poison, candida and the list goes on and on and on

and if a patient is lucky enough to have a doc to address a single issue and

they get better then they were not CFS when before this they were. So in

other words, perhaps many of us have a single issue going on in us causing

the CFS while others of us have multiple issues going on at the same time,

but in the end we are all CFS unless it is a single pathogen whose

elimination that brings us health deems us to have been ill from that

pathogen or condition rather than CFS. Only add in more than a single theory

(say one has mycoplasma and EBV) and then the person has CFS and no dual

defining conditional illness. Yet no one can come to complete agreement with

all of this either, so my opinion is just as valid as CDC or anyone elses!

Ok, enough rambling.

Below is an example of Klinghardt and a big conference going on there this

weekend. I wish I could be there! I do not rule out seeing him in the next

year if I don't improve more than I'd like by that time.

The 2nd Annual Conference on Applied Neurobiology

>

> Lyme Disease and Co-Infections: New Approaches to

> Diagnosis and

> Treatment

>

> Conference Dates: December 6-8, 2002

>

> Please follow the link at the bottom of the page to

> register.

>

> In our work with chronically ill patients we have

> found an astounding

> number of cases with underlying infections from the

> " Lyme disease

> family " : Borrelia burgdorferi, Babesia Microti,

> ehrlichiosis,

> mycoplasma pneumoniae, chlaymydia etc. One of our

> recent patients

> with the diagnosis of ALS (made at a major university)

> really had

> Bartonella henselae, or cat scratch fever, and

> improved with a course

> of i.v. antibiotics.

>

> The initial diagnosis was made with Autonomic Response

> Testing (ART)

> and then confirmed with appropriate lab work. Several

> of our MS

> patients were infected with Borrelia and Babesia --

> responding

> phenomenally to our Lyme protocol, which includes the

> use of Applied-

> Psycho-Neurobiology (APN), Cholestyramine, Neural

> Therapy, Bee Venom

> and antibacterial herbs.

>

> Sometimes the measles virus shows up in MS, the echo-7

> virus in ALS.

> Once the infections are successfully subdued, the

> patient improves --

> often lastingly. We could show that many of our

> chronic TMD and pain

> patients really suffered from viral infections, Lyme

> disease and

> heavy metal toxicity. In chronic fatigue patients we

> look for

> Mycoplasma infections and herpes viruses.

>

> The possibilities of co-mingling infections go on and

> on...

>

> What is going on? Have the universities and medical

> schools failed to

> stay abreast with what is going on in the real world?

> Why don't we

> hear more of a discussion in the media? Are we rapidly

> taking hostage

> by hostile microorganisms? Has environmental pollution

> ruined the

> fine balance in nature? Are we doomed?

>

> Are we prepared to intervene with appropriate and

> non-invasive

> diagnostic tools and therapeutic measures, which are

> affordable,

> effective and life-affirmative? Is anyone out there

> still healthy? Do

> we really have to take antibiotics for months or

> years?

>

> In this think-tank meeting, we try to explore many of

> these issues in

> a positive, creative and solution oriented way:

>

> ART and how to detect the individual co-infections:

> Borrelia, Babesia

> ehrlichiosis, mycoplasma, chlamydia, measles,

> sackie's, the

> herpes " family " and others

>

> Diagnostic tools: symptoms and physical findings,

> health

> questionnaires, FACT (functional acuity contrast

> test), lab work, the

> dental x-ray, indicators in hair mineral analysis, and

> more

>

> ART and the chocie of the most effective, non-toxic

> and tolerated

> medication: herbs and mushrooms, essential oils,

> homeopathy,

> nutriceuticals, uni-polar and pulsating magnets,

> micro-current, cold

> laser blood irradiation, UV-B, ozone, antibiotics,

> cholestyramine and

> actos, bee venom and more

>

> ART and drug uptake enhancement

>

> APN and the underlying psycho-social-systematic

> factors

>

> Lyme in dentistry: TMD, cavitations, the ailing of

> teeth and jaw

> bone, the impact of an over-closed mouth (lack of

> vertical dimension)

>

> Lyme and lifestyle

>

> Lyme and nutrition

>

> Natural anti-virals

>

> Invited speakers include:

>

> ph Mercola, DO: ph Mercola, D.O., is the

> founder of

> Mercola.com, number eight on the world's most visited

> health

> websites. He founded and directs the Optimal Wellness

> Center, an

> Illinois clinic focused on integrating healthy diet,

> lifestyle,

> emotional and traditional techniques to establish

> optimal health and

> heal chronic disease. Widely respected for both his

> bold and

> informative website and his revolutionary Eating Plan,

> Dr. Mercola

> has lectured throughout the U.S. and been interviewed

> extensively by

> local and national media.

>

> Joe Burrascano, MD: he has treated thousands of

> chronically ill

> patients and created today's gold standard in the

> diagnosis and

> antibiotic oriented treatment of Lyme (www.lymnet.org)

>

>

> Dietrich Klinghardt, MD: developed noninvasive

> treatment strategies

> including APN, neural therapy, essential oils and

> micro current

> technology

>

> Rowen, MD: will discuss the use of UV-B blood

> irradiation in

> detail for the treatment of chronic infections

>

> Dr. : has done much recent research on stealth

> virus infections

> and developed effective research protocols

>

> Gitte Jensen PhD: is a well-known researcher and

> microbiologist who

> spent 12 years at Mc GIll University doing research on

> the

> involvement of microorganisms in cancer. She is now

> heading her own

> research lab in Oregon. She discovered that in

> chronically ill

> patients the red blood cells might carry multiple

> infectious agents --

> invisible to the patient's immune system and often

> safe from common

> antibiotics. Gitte is one of the most inspiring

> speakers in t he

> world of infectious disease today.

>

> Vaughan: one of today's leading nutritionists,

> will introduce

> us to nutritional markers of chronic infection --

> changes in copper,

> iron and zinc metabolism and others. He will also

> discuss essential

> nutritional strategies in the treatment of chronic

> infections.

>

> nna Vaughan, RN: has been Dr. Kilinghardt's

> nurse and co-

> teacher for years. She is the leading teacher of the

> SkaSys system

> (computer assisted ART), which is used to detect the

> common multiple

> CO-infections, and co-factors.

>

> Gudrun Gilberg: Lyme disease patient advocate. Gudrun

> is a well known

> voice in the Lyme disease cyber world and has a wealth

> of information

> on what Lyme patients really experience: their

> symptoms, their

> despair, their neglect by most medical doctors,

> stories of

> misidagnosis, successes and hopes. Gudrun can bring

> related issues to

> life like only few people can.

>

> Monastery of Herbs: developer of herbal combination

> remedies specific

> for Lyme

>

> Doug Philips, DDS: ART, Lyme and dentistry

>

> Dr. Bonli: specializes in the exploration of the

> healing effects of

> uni-polar magnets

>

> Dr. Nick S. : lectures on Lyme disease

> diagnosis: what is the

> LUAT, how to do it, research, etc

>

> Dr. Garth Nicholson: Mycoplasma as a common

> co-infection.

>

> We expect that after this course the participants will

> be confident

> in making the diagnosis of Lyme disease and related

> CO-infections

> both based on a symptom questionnaire, by physical

> examination, by

> ART scan and by conventional laboratory diagnosis. You

> will also be

> familiar with the latest conventional and

> complimentary treatment

> protocols and with overall management strategies.

>

>

>

> Date, Time, Location:

>

> Date: December 6-8, 2002

>

> Location: Bellevue Hyatt Regency, WA

> Phone: 800 233-1234

>

> Time: Friday 1pm-10pm, Saturday 9am-6pm, Sunday:

> 8:30am-1pm

>

> Cost*: $600 physicians, $400 assistant

>

> * $50 discount if registered 30 days prior to event

>

> Registration:

>

> For more information, or to register, please visit

> NeuralTherapy.com.

>

> ****

> LymeInfo Ref #485 - Dated 11/3/02

>

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