Re: Glutathione Injections & pain HELP!!

[Guest guest]

Stania,

The syringe is never refrigerated. I fill it just prior to

injecting. I appreciate your advice but I have a hard time believing

that that level of pain could be caused from injecting a cold

substance. I used to inject B12 right out of the frig and didn't

have that effect. Now I read that B12 should be refrigerated (earlier

I was told it didn't matter - it's hard to know what to believe) so I

will refrigerate it again.

Does anyone have experience with someone mixing injectibles

incorrectly? I can't help but wonder . . . historically, I'm not a

wimp. This doesn't seem like a normal level of pain for a shot. A

year ago there were complaints posted about how painful B12 shots

are. Previous to buying the much needed McGuff painless formula of

B12 I bought b12 at a local coumpounding pharm. and the pain wasn't

that bad.

Thanks for replying. I need to " shot-up " tonight and will try your

suggestion. I better start earlier tonight - the shock from the pain

kept me up for an hour last time.

Best to you,

Jo

> Jo,

> try to inject it very slowly, it might lessen the pain. Before

injecting

> take the syringe out of fridge and let it warm up for a while .

> Stania

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> Predmet: Glutathione Injections & pain

>

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > After searching for over an hour I can't find anything posted on

this

> > but feel that someone must be having a simular experience. I just

> > started Dr. Cheney's regimen to counter act RNase-L activity. It

> > includes Glutathione shots. I have found these to be bullet-

biting

> > painful. I have been doing the B12 and mag/Taurine/Procain shots

for

> > some time and they are relatively painless. I plan to ask Dr. C

about

> > this too but wonder if you all have any practical advice as is

common

> > on this egroup. I bought from Wellness. I use the small insuline

> > syringes and inject in the leg - oposite leg from the B12

injection.

> > I thought about ice but the pain is not from injecting but starts

> > half way through injecting the Glutithione. It's hard to finish

the

> > injection.

> >

> > I've only injected twice but seem to feel better the next

day . . .

> > except for the leg that got the Glut injection - it aches.

> >

> > After reading around it appears that others are on the same

regimen.

> > If you have any advice, knowledge, etc. that you would be willing

to

> > share please do. I am grateful for the help.

> >

> > Jo

> > Vancouver, Washington

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been told and read that B12 doesn't have to be IM (in muscle), it can be

sub-c (in fat). Is there a reason why you are injecting in muscle?

When I did gamma globulin shots in muscle, it did help to warm it up before

injection, I think mainly it was thicker and less fluid when cold, and less able

to go into the muscle tissues.

Doris

Re: Glutathione Injections & pain HELP!!

Stania,

The syringe is never refrigerated. I fill it just prior to

injecting. I appreciate your advice but I have a hard time believing

that that level of pain could be caused from injecting a cold

substance. I used to inject B12 right out of the frig and didn't

have that effect. Now I read that B12 should be refrigerated (earlier

I was told it didn't matter - it's hard to know what to believe) so I

will refrigerate it again.

Does anyone have experience with someone mixing injectibles

incorrectly? I can't help but wonder . . . historically, I'm not a

wimp. This doesn't seem like a normal level of pain for a shot. A

year ago there were complaints posted about how painful B12 shots

are. Previous to buying the much needed McGuff painless formula of

B12 I bought b12 at a local coumpounding pharm. and the pain wasn't

that bad.

Thanks for replying. I need to " shot-up " tonight and will try your

suggestion. I better start earlier tonight - the shock from the pain

kept me up for an hour last time.

Best to you,

Jo

[Guest guest]

Interesting that warming the injection site would help. When I was

having tramsfer fractor injections the doc suggested icing. (A TF

injection can feel like you shut your arm in a car door - awful!!)I

would ice for about 20 minutes before the injection. It cut the pain

by about 95 percent. A little bit of lidocaine added to the end of the

syringe makes it painless. That's going in. Pain later is another

problem.

Michele G.

> I have been told and read that B12 doesn't have to be IM (in

muscle), it can be sub-c (in fat). Is there a reason why you are

injecting in muscle?

>

> When I did gamma globulin shots in muscle, it did help to warm it up

before injection, I think mainly it was thicker and less fluid when

cold, and less able to go into the muscle tissues.

>

> Doris

> Re: Glutathione Injections & pain

HELP!!

>

>

> Stania,

> The syringe is never refrigerated. I fill it just prior to

> injecting. I appreciate your advice but I have a hard time

believing

> that that level of pain could be caused from injecting a cold

> substance. I used to inject B12 right out of the frig and didn't

> have that effect. Now I read that B12 should be refrigerated

(earlier

> I was told it didn't matter - it's hard to know what to believe)

so I

> will refrigerate it again.

>

> Does anyone have experience with someone mixing injectibles

> incorrectly? I can't help but wonder . . . historically, I'm not

a

> wimp. This doesn't seem like a normal level of pain for a shot.

A

> year ago there were complaints posted about how painful B12 shots

> are. Previous to buying the much needed McGuff painless formula

of

> B12 I bought b12 at a local coumpounding pharm. and the pain

wasn't

> that bad.

>

> Thanks for replying. I need to " shot-up " tonight and will try

your

> suggestion. I better start earlier tonight - the shock from the

pain

> kept me up for an hour last time.

>

> Best to you,

> Jo

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I missed the original post on this, I think, but will try to answer what I

think was the intent of the original post. I too am doing a Cheney protocol

for elevated RNaseL, which includes aciclovir, lysine and a product called

Oral Mat (Australian rye grass). I have been taking B-12 and glutathione

injections for quite a while now. My previous doctors had my take my B-12

injections IM, once a week. Dr. Cheney has me take them sub q on a daily

basis. They can be taken either way. The glutathione is IM, and I have found

no way to alleviate the pain from that injection. My husband gives my

Mag/Taurine injection first, then the glutathione, because he knows he

wouldn't be able to give me the mag injection if he gave glutathione first.

Gently massaging the site afterwards helps, but there are definitely nights

when my butt aches for a long time. My injections are given around 9:00 pm,

so by bedtime I am no longer hurting. I have given the injection straight

out of the fridge, and sometimes it has been drawn up but not injected for a

half hour, and I find no difference in the pain. Sorry, I don't have a

better answer, but hope this helps knowing you are not the only one who

feels pain from the glutathione.

Donna in NC

PS - preservative free injectibles probably should be refrigerated, but when

I was taking B-12 that was preserved, I did not refrigerate it.

Re: Glutathione Injections & pain HELP!!

>

>

> Stania,

> The syringe is never refrigerated. I fill it just prior to

> injecting. I appreciate your advice but I have a hard time believing

> that that level of pain could be caused from injecting a cold

> substance. I used to inject B12 right out of the frig and didn't

> have that effect. Now I read that B12 should be refrigerated (earlier

> I was told it didn't matter - it's hard to know what to believe) so I

> will refrigerate it again.

>

> Does anyone have experience with someone mixing injectibles

> incorrectly? I can't help but wonder . . . historically, I'm not a

> wimp. This doesn't seem like a normal level of pain for a shot. A

> year ago there were complaints posted about how painful B12 shots

> are. Previous to buying the much needed McGuff painless formula of

> B12 I bought b12 at a local coumpounding pharm. and the pain wasn't

> that bad.

>

> Thanks for replying. I need to " shot-up " tonight and will try your

> suggestion. I better start earlier tonight - the shock from the pain

> kept me up for an hour last time.

>

> Best to you,

> Jo

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your suggestions

I have been injection the Glutathione in my leg with a ½ " insulin

needle. Maybe the hip is a better place. I hesitate because, I too,

am doing the mag/taur shot and one hip is sensitive due to previous

injuries. But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one night I guess

I could too. :-) It gets pretty hard to finish injecting the last

half of the cc once the pain starts. So much for injecting slowly.

- Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

- Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

I called Wellness and they were kind enough to rush ship another

batch out to me. Unfortunately it wasn't any better. The first

batch had a ph of 7.53 and the second had 6.92. I understand that

7.4 is ideal.

They also mentioned that topical cream, suppositories and IV as

alternate methods of administrating.

- Anyone have any experience with any of these that they'd share?

Doris, you asked why I am injecting B12 IM rather than sub-c – that

is what Cheney prescribed last November.

BTW – Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine, PineExtra, and

OralMat as the first line of defense against the high RnaseL

activity. If that doesn't work he recommends some things that sound

like heavy drugs. . . . But I won't need those because this will

work. (positive thinking)

Appreciate hearing from experienced people – thanks again.

Jo

> I missed the original post on this, I think, but will try to answer

what I

> think was the intent of the original post. I too am doing a Cheney

protocol

> for elevated RNaseL, which includes aciclovir, lysine and a product

called

> Oral Mat (Australian rye grass). I have been taking B-12 and

glutathione

> injections for quite a while now. My previous doctors had my take

my B-12

> injections IM, once a week. Dr. Cheney has me take them sub q on a

daily

> basis. They can be taken either way. The glutathione is IM, and I

have found

> no way to alleviate the pain from that injection. My husband gives

my

> Mag/Taurine injection first, then the glutathione, because he knows

he

> wouldn't be able to give me the mag injection if he gave

glutathione first.

> Gently massaging the site afterwards helps, but there are

definitely nights

> when my butt aches for a long time. My injections are given around

9:00 pm,

> so by bedtime I am no longer hurting. I have given the injection

straight

> out of the fridge, and sometimes it has been drawn up but not

injected for a

> half hour, and I find no difference in the pain. Sorry, I don't

have a

> better answer, but hope this helps knowing you are not the only one

who

> feels pain from the glutathione.

> Donna in NC

> PS - preservative free injectibles probably should be refrigerated,

but when

> I was taking B-12 that was preserved, I did not refrigerate it.

>

> Re: Glutathione Injections & pain

HELP!!

> >

> >

> > Stania,

> > The syringe is never refrigerated. I fill it just prior to

> > injecting. I appreciate your advice but I have a hard time

believing

> > that that level of pain could be caused from injecting a cold

> > substance. I used to inject B12 right out of the frig and

didn't

> > have that effect. Now I read that B12 should be refrigerated

(earlier

> > I was told it didn't matter - it's hard to know what to

believe) so I

> > will refrigerate it again.

> >

> > Does anyone have experience with someone mixing injectibles

> > incorrectly? I can't help but wonder . . . historically, I'm

not a

> > wimp. This doesn't seem like a normal level of pain for a

shot. A

> > year ago there were complaints posted about how painful B12

shots

> > are. Previous to buying the much needed McGuff painless

formula of

> > B12 I bought b12 at a local coumpounding pharm. and the pain

wasn't

> > that bad.

> >

> > Thanks for replying. I need to " shot-up " tonight and will try

your

> > suggestion. I better start earlier tonight - the shock from

the pain

> > kept me up for an hour last time.

> >

> > Best to you,

> > Jo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jo,

Am finally back home after cavitation surgery in Indiana, and trying to

catch up on a backlog of posts from various mailing lists. Sorry so long to

answer you.

I have to admit my DH injects my " butt shots " as I have bad FMS and can't

even twist around to give them to myself, but it does make it easier because

I have no " control " over the inflicting of the pain. LOL. DH hates it, as he

can tell how painful the glutathione injection is. Yes, we use the same hip

for each shot, and rotate to the next hip the next night. I also give all my

other injections in the same side for that day (two heparin injections,

allergy extract injection and B-12 injection) to try to keep my mind

straight. I put a Band-Aid on the hip of the day, whether it needs it or

not, so I always know which side I'm working on that day.

I buy my Glutathione from McGuff's Pharmacy in CA, my mag/taurine and B-12

from Wellness.

I was taking whey (but not tolerating a full dose), glutathione,

Isoprinosine, PineExtra and Oral Mat before my RNaseL test that was markedly

elevated. So we obviously had to go directly to the antivirals. I started

with Famvir but had such excruciating headaches and body pain that he

switched me to aciclovir and lysine. I tolerate the aciclovir much better

than the Famvir, but may switch back again after my follow-up RNaseL test,

which should be next week. (30 days after starting the antivirals and lysine

program.) I see Cheney on Thursday, so who knows where we'll go from there?

Was your test done at Immunosciences Lab in CA? How elevated was it, if you

don't mind my asking?

Donna in NC

Re: Glutathione Injections & pain HELP!!

Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your suggestions

But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one night I guess

I could too. :-)

- Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

- Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

BTW - Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine, PineExtra, and OralMat as

the first line of defense against the high RnaseL activity. If that doesn't

work he recommends some things that sound like heavy drugs. . . . But I

won't need those because this will work. (positive thinking)

Appreciate hearing from experienced people - thanks again.

Jo

[Guest guest]

Donna,

When I didn't hear back from you I checked around and decided to try

injecting in the hip (same hip as mag shot) and added procaine to

it. It worked like a charm. I suspect it was the procaine that made

the shot almost as bearable as the mag shot. You may want to try

it. But please be warned that the pain killer tends to make you

forget to inject slowly. I'm sure you're aware of the importance of

injecting slowly but I feel the need to pass that along since the

clinic warned me. Personally I think it was the oposite - once the

pain hit, half way through injecting, I just wanted to get it over

with so I could lay down and die. ;-)

Maybe I'll check out McGuff for the glutathione next time.

My last immune tests were done at Immunosciences. There were 4

tests . . . I assume your asking about the RNase-L. The results were:

Rnase-L inhibitor WB 8.3 (3.0 - 5.0) is normal

RNase-L Activity 26.00 (1.0 - 10.0)

So now I'm curious. How does that compare to your results? Or if

anyone else cares to share their results I'm interested in knowing

how they compare.

Donna, if you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear what Cheney has to

say. Immune activation appears to be of my big problems.

You are SO fortunate to live so close to the Dr. We fly 3000 miles to

see him and my next appointment is a week after he's scheduled to

move into his new location (Dec 1st). I've yet to see a contractor

finish building on time during hunting season and winter weather.

But we will make our reservations and hope for the best.

Thanks again,

Jo

Vancouver, WA

> Jo,

> Am finally back home after cavitation surgery in Indiana, and

trying to

> catch up on a backlog of posts from various mailing lists. Sorry so

long to

> answer you.

>

> I have to admit my DH injects my " butt shots " as I have bad FMS and

can't

> even twist around to give them to myself, but it does make it

easier because

> I have no " control " over the inflicting of the pain. LOL. DH hates

it, as he

> can tell how painful the glutathione injection is. Yes, we use the

same hip

> for each shot, and rotate to the next hip the next night. I also

give all my

> other injections in the same side for that day (two heparin

injections,

> allergy extract injection and B-12 injection) to try to keep my mind

> straight. I put a Band-Aid on the hip of the day, whether it needs

it or

> not, so I always know which side I'm working on that day.

>

> I buy my Glutathione from McGuff's Pharmacy in CA, my mag/taurine

and B-12

> from Wellness.

>

> I was taking whey (but not tolerating a full dose), glutathione,

> Isoprinosine, PineExtra and Oral Mat before my RNaseL test that was

markedly

> elevated. So we obviously had to go directly to the antivirals. I

started

> with Famvir but had such excruciating headaches and body pain that

he

> switched me to aciclovir and lysine. I tolerate the aciclovir much

better

> than the Famvir, but may switch back again after my follow-up

RNaseL test,

> which should be next week. (30 days after starting the antivirals

and lysine

> program.) I see Cheney on Thursday, so who knows where we'll go

from there?

>

> Was your test done at Immunosciences Lab in CA? How elevated was

it, if you

> don't mind my asking?

>

> Donna in NC

>

> Re: Glutathione Injections & pain

HELP!!

>

>

> Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your suggestions

>

> But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one night I guess

> I could too. :-)

>

> - Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

>

> - Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

>

> BTW - Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine, PineExtra, and

OralMat as

> the first line of defense against the high RnaseL activity. If

that doesn't

> work he recommends some things that sound like heavy drugs. . . .

But I

> won't need those because this will work. (positive thinking)

>

> Appreciate hearing from experienced people - thanks again.

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo, I saw that you live in Vancouver and fly

to east coast to see Dr. Cheney. Not that Dr. Cheney

doesn't do good work(seems from observation of this

site that he does), but are you aware of Green

and Debra Glasser Green in Canby, Oregon? I use

Green, he seems to be on the ball concerning these

matters. I have been seeing him for almost a year and

am beginning to see results after chasing my

tail(other doctors) for several years. If you have

interest I will offer phone number. good luck, jim

--- filberts@... wrote:

> Donna,

>

> When I didn't hear back from you I checked around

> and decided to try

> injecting in the hip (same hip as mag shot) and

> added procaine to

> it. It worked like a charm. I suspect it was the

> procaine that made

> the shot almost as bearable as the mag shot. You

> may want to try

> it. But please be warned that the pain killer tends

> to make you

> forget to inject slowly. I'm sure you're aware of

> the importance of

> injecting slowly but I feel the need to pass that

> along since the

> clinic warned me. Personally I think it was the

> oposite - once the

> pain hit, half way through injecting, I just wanted

> to get it over

> with so I could lay down and die. ;-)

>

> Maybe I'll check out McGuff for the glutathione next

> time.

>

> My last immune tests were done at Immunosciences.

> There were 4

> tests . . . I assume your asking about the RNase-L.

> The results were:

> Rnase-L inhibitor WB 8.3 (3.0 - 5.0) is normal

> RNase-L Activity 26.00 (1.0 - 10.0)

>

> So now I'm curious. How does that compare to your

> results? Or if

> anyone else cares to share their results I'm

> interested in knowing

> how they compare.

>

> Donna, if you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear

> what Cheney has to

> say. Immune activation appears to be of my big

> problems.

>

> You are SO fortunate to live so close to the Dr. We

> fly 3000 miles to

> see him and my next appointment is a week after he's

> scheduled to

> move into his new location (Dec 1st). I've yet to

> see a contractor

> finish building on time during hunting season and

> winter weather.

> But we will make our reservations and hope for the

> best.

>

> Thanks again,

> Jo

> Vancouver, WA

>

>

>

> > Jo,

> > Am finally back home after cavitation surgery in

> Indiana, and

> trying to

> > catch up on a backlog of posts from various

> mailing lists. Sorry so

> long to

> > answer you.

> >

> > I have to admit my DH injects my " butt shots " as I

> have bad FMS and

> can't

> > even twist around to give them to myself, but it

> does make it

> easier because

> > I have no " control " over the inflicting of the

> pain. LOL. DH hates

> it, as he

> > can tell how painful the glutathione injection is.

> Yes, we use the

> same hip

> > for each shot, and rotate to the next hip the next

> night. I also

> give all my

> > other injections in the same side for that day

> (two heparin

> injections,

> > allergy extract injection and B-12 injection) to

> try to keep my mind

> > straight. I put a Band-Aid on the hip of the day,

> whether it needs

> it or

> > not, so I always know which side I'm working on

> that day.

> >

> > I buy my Glutathione from McGuff's Pharmacy in CA,

> my mag/taurine

> and B-12

> > from Wellness.

> >

> > I was taking whey (but not tolerating a full

> dose), glutathione,

> > Isoprinosine, PineExtra and Oral Mat before my

> RNaseL test that was

> markedly

> > elevated. So we obviously had to go directly to

> the antivirals. I

> started

> > with Famvir but had such excruciating headaches

> and body pain that

> he

> > switched me to aciclovir and lysine. I tolerate

> the aciclovir much

> better

> > than the Famvir, but may switch back again after

> my follow-up

> RNaseL test,

> > which should be next week. (30 days after starting

> the antivirals

> and lysine

> > program.) I see Cheney on Thursday, so who knows

> where we'll go

> from there?

> >

> > Was your test done at Immunosciences Lab in CA?

> How elevated was

> it, if you

> > don't mind my asking?

> >

> > Donna in NC

> >

> > Re: Glutathione

> Injections & pain

> HELP!!

> >

> >

> > Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your

> suggestions

> >

> > But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one

> night I guess

> > I could too. :-)

> >

> > - Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

> >

> > - Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

> >

> > BTW - Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine,

> PineExtra, and

> OralMat as

> > the first line of defense against the high RnaseL

> activity. If

> that doesn't

> > work he recommends some things that sound like

> heavy drugs. . . .

> But I

> > won't need those because this will work.

> (positive thinking)

> >

> > Appreciate hearing from experienced people -

> thanks again.

> >

> > Jo

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

Thanks for the tip on the procaine. I'll try that.

We only ran the RNaseL activity - it was 63 (1.0 - 10.0). It even knocked

Cheney back a bit, but my clinical picture has been rapidly declining,

particularly in the neurological and cognitive arenas, so he is not

uncomfortable with the level, but we will talk more tomorrow. The

interesting thing is that my immune tests did come back modestly better

overall - 4 markers went up statistically significantly, while 2 went down,

but not within a statistical difference. But whatever is going on is

probably why there was not a more marked improvement in my immune tests.

However, Dr. Vojdani's comments about seeing high levels in people exposed

to toxic chemicals makes me wonder if that's a big factor behind my activity

level. I have heavy exposure to toxic chemicals besides heavy metals, such

as organophosphate pesticides (that the GWV's were exposed to) and chemicals

from cleaning medical equipment in tiny rooms with caustic sterilizing

agents and little to no ventilation. There may not be a simple answer in my

case. I'll keep you posted.

I am lucky to live close to him, and even luckier to be seeing him before

the move. North Carolina is a wide state - it will now be an eight hour

drive for us to get to his new office, which BTW, was supposed to be done in

early November. He just allowed an extra month for them to finish as you are

quite right about contractors finishing work on time. Fortunately, it is not

winter here yet, even in the mountains, but it is hunting season! I would

make your reservations and not worry - I don't think he leaves things to

chance - I bet their payout for not finishing on time is huge, much bigger

than they would want to pay back!!!

Take care,

Donna in NC

Re: Glutathione Injections & pain HELP!!

> Donna,

decided to try injecting in the hip (same hip as mag shot) and added

procaine to it. It worked like a charm. ....

.. . . I assume your asking about the RNase-L. The results were:

> Rnase-L inhibitor WB 8.3 (3.0 - 5.0) is normal

> RNase-L Activity 26.00 (1.0 - 10.0)

>

> So now I'm curious. How does that compare to your results? ....

Donna, if you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear what Cheney has to say.

Immune activation appears to be of my big problems....

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the tip. The name Dr. Green rings a bell. I must have

heard their names early on in the disease and forgotten them.

Can you tell me what approach the doctors take? Do they use strictly

conventional doctoring methods or is alternative methods also used?

Do you mind giving me the treatment that they have you on? That

would give me a pretty good idea of what they're about. Also can you

tell me what they specialized in in med school?

I am partial to Dr. Cheney because he also is researching new

treatments. But I am interested. Eventually I may not be able to

afford to go to Cheney and Canby is quite a bit closer.

Thank you for taking the time to write. BTW Where do you live,

Portland? Are you aware of the CFIDS Support Group in Portland? It

is quite helpful and a nice bunch of folks too. The website is:

http://www.icontoo.com/cfids.html.

Jo

Vancouver, WA

> > > Jo,

> > > Am finally back home after cavitation surgery in

> > Indiana, and

> > trying to

> > > catch up on a backlog of posts from various

> > mailing lists. Sorry so

> > long to

> > > answer you.

> > >

> > > I have to admit my DH injects my " butt shots " as I

> > have bad FMS and

> > can't

> > > even twist around to give them to myself, but it

> > does make it

> > easier because

> > > I have no " control " over the inflicting of the

> > pain. LOL. DH hates

> > it, as he

> > > can tell how painful the glutathione injection is.

> > Yes, we use the

> > same hip

> > > for each shot, and rotate to the next hip the next

> > night. I also

> > give all my

> > > other injections in the same side for that day

> > (two heparin

> > injections,

> > > allergy extract injection and B-12 injection) to

> > try to keep my mind

> > > straight. I put a Band-Aid on the hip of the day,

> > whether it needs

> > it or

> > > not, so I always know which side I'm working on

> > that day.

> > >

> > > I buy my Glutathione from McGuff's Pharmacy in CA,

> > my mag/taurine

> > and B-12

> > > from Wellness.

> > >

> > > I was taking whey (but not tolerating a full

> > dose), glutathione,

> > > Isoprinosine, PineExtra and Oral Mat before my

> > RNaseL test that was

> > markedly

> > > elevated. So we obviously had to go directly to

> > the antivirals. I

> > started

> > > with Famvir but had such excruciating headaches

> > and body pain that

> > he

> > > switched me to aciclovir and lysine. I tolerate

> > the aciclovir much

> > better

> > > than the Famvir, but may switch back again after

> > my follow-up

> > RNaseL test,

> > > which should be next week. (30 days after starting

> > the antivirals

> > and lysine

> > > program.) I see Cheney on Thursday, so who knows

> > where we'll go

> > from there?

> > >

> > > Was your test done at Immunosciences Lab in CA?

> > How elevated was

> > it, if you

> > > don't mind my asking?

> > >

> > > Donna in NC

> > >

> > > Re: Glutathione

> > Injections & pain

> > HELP!!

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your

> > suggestions

> > >

> > > But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one

> > night I guess

> > > I could too. :-)

> > >

> > > - Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

> > >

> > > - Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

> > >

> > > BTW - Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine,

> > PineExtra, and

> > OralMat as

> > > the first line of defense against the high RnaseL

> > activity. If

> > that doesn't

> > > work he recommends some things that sound like

> > heavy drugs. . . .

> > But I

> > > won't need those because this will work.

> > (positive thinking)

> > >

> > > Appreciate hearing from experienced people -

> > thanks again.

> > >

> > > Jo

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

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it on autistic children www.kirkmanlabs.com

> > > > Jo,

> > > > Am finally back home after cavitation surgery in

> > > Indiana, and

> > > trying to

> > > > catch up on a backlog of posts from various

> > > mailing lists. Sorry so

> > > long to

> > > > answer you.

> > > >

> > > > I have to admit my DH injects my " butt shots " as I

> > > have bad FMS and

> > > can't

> > > > even twist around to give them to myself, but it

> > > does make it

> > > easier because

> > > > I have no " control " over the inflicting of the

> > > pain. LOL. DH hates

> > > it, as he

> > > > can tell how painful the glutathione injection is.

> > > Yes, we use the

> > > same hip

> > > > for each shot, and rotate to the next hip the next

> > > night. I also

> > > give all my

> > > > other injections in the same side for that day

> > > (two heparin

> > > injections,

> > > > allergy extract injection and B-12 injection) to

> > > try to keep my mind

> > > > straight. I put a Band-Aid on the hip of the day,

> > > whether it needs

> > > it or

> > > > not, so I always know which side I'm working on

> > > that day.

> > > >

> > > > I buy my Glutathione from McGuff's Pharmacy in CA,

> > > my mag/taurine

> > > and B-12

> > > > from Wellness.

> > > >

> > > > I was taking whey (but not tolerating a full

> > > dose), glutathione,

> > > > Isoprinosine, PineExtra and Oral Mat before my

> > > RNaseL test that was

> > > markedly

> > > > elevated. So we obviously had to go directly to

> > > the antivirals. I

> > > started

> > > > with Famvir but had such excruciating headaches

> > > and body pain that

> > > he

> > > > switched me to aciclovir and lysine. I tolerate

> > > the aciclovir much

> > > better

> > > > than the Famvir, but may switch back again after

> > > my follow-up

> > > RNaseL test,

> > > > which should be next week. (30 days after starting

> > > the antivirals

> > > and lysine

> > > > program.) I see Cheney on Thursday, so who knows

> > > where we'll go

> > > from there?

> > > >

> > > > Was your test done at Immunosciences Lab in CA?

> > > How elevated was

> > > it, if you

> > > > don't mind my asking?

> > > >

> > > > Donna in NC

> > > >

> > > > Re: Glutathione

> > > Injections & pain

> > > HELP!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Donna, Doris, and others for your

> > > suggestions

> > > >

> > > > But, Donna you take two " butt shots " in one

> > > night I guess

> > > > I could too. :-)

> > > >

> > > > - Do you inject the two shots in the same hip?

> > > >

> > > > - Who do you buy your Glutathione from?.

> > > >

> > > > BTW - Cheney prescribed whey, GSH, Isoprinosine,

> > > PineExtra, and

> > > OralMat as

> > > > the first line of defense against the high RnaseL

> > > activity. If

> > > that doesn't

> > > > work he recommends some things that sound like

> > > heavy drugs. . . .

> > > But I

> > > > won't need those because this will work.

> > > (positive thinking)

> > > >

> > > > Appreciate hearing from experienced people -

> > > thanks again.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >